RonWashington
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I prefer neither to Anthony Brown .
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Kelvin Joseph or Daron Bland?
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RonWashington
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I do prefer Malik Hooker be in the vicinity of some of these bombs hoisted down field .
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What messes up this targeted number. is that, most likely, these CB's would have been targeted more often and that was the opponent's plan. However, a large number of potential targeting ended up being balls thrown away or sacks.
It wouldn't be difficult to imagine that these numbers would be less favorable to both without the Cowboys pass rush.
There is just not enough data on Joseph. He hasn't been available for a lot of games.
Also, you can expect a greater rate of improvement from Bland because he is rookie getting in the snaps. Under these conditions, theoretically, he will be vastly improved next season.
It wouldn't be difficult to imagine that these numbers would be less favorable to both without the Cowboys pass rush.
There is just not enough data on Joseph. He hasn't been available for a lot of games.
Also, you can expect a greater rate of improvement from Bland because he is rookie getting in the snaps. Under these conditions, theoretically, he will be vastly improved next season.
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It’s not close. Bland by a mile.
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It's a tough call for me. I appreciate your honest assessment of the player, though.
I agree, Joseph is sticky. But Bland has some nice straight-line speed before I saw him cover at corner. But I think that's his strength. I almost saw bland as a safety, like a ballhawk-type safety. But I don't think he has hips like Joseph. So, it's kind of a tradeoff.
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I love the fact that we have so many safeties and TEs.
And that our two starting CBs look healthy.
Anthony Brown is so underrated it's ridiculous.
He gets beat, sometimes.
So what? They all do.
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Didn't Bland play some outside CB in college? My only worry is Bland's 4.48 40 time is hurting him trying to cover faster receivers.
Kelvin Joseph ran a 4.35 40 time, so he's definitely much faster than DaRon Bland. The problem with Joseph is not his speed. It's his decision making. He gets caught looking into the backfield too often while the receiver he's covering runs by him. Plus, Joseph has a tendency to grab a lot, thus causing pass interference penalties.
DaRon Bland has the better coverage technique, but he's slower than Kelvin Joseph. Joseph is faster than DaRon Bland, but he gets too handsy and gets beat because of looking into the backfield too often.
Take your pick. Pick your poison between the two.
Kelvin Joseph ran a 4.35 40 time, so he's definitely much faster than DaRon Bland. The problem with Joseph is not his speed. It's his decision making. He gets caught looking into the backfield too often while the receiver he's covering runs by him. Plus, Joseph has a tendency to grab a lot, thus causing pass interference penalties.
DaRon Bland has the better coverage technique, but he's slower than Kelvin Joseph. Joseph is faster than DaRon Bland, but he gets too handsy and gets beat because of looking into the backfield too often.
Take your pick. Pick your poison between the two.
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They both get beat but it reminds me of Jourdan Lewis under Kris Richard, Joseph is in the dog house. Bland gets beat yet they let him stay out there... everybody gets beat. KJ has the same problem that Jaycee Horn had, he can and will be very grabby, as was Diggs..that's coachable. I like both but we're not going to have all pros all over, someones going to get beat. However I doubt KJ consistently gets beat with bombs and acts dumb when the ball is in the air.
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Bland is going through the washer right now as a raw rookie in a tough position playing slot. I still have stock in his upside being a longterm upgrade than Jourdan Lewis, whom I’ll go to my grave saying was overrated by our fans.
I have no idea what to think of Joseph. He really has been an asset as one of our gunners on special teams sans the penalties. It’s also a bit unfair to be overly critical of him when he gives up a play in coverage. The kid rarely plays in the base defense. Young CBs are going to give up plays; you can bet your house on it. I think the coaching staff just trusts Brown more at this point. Next season will be Joseph’s third year and will be make or break. We knew he was raw coming out. Im willing to wait to see how it plays out. If not, see ya later.
I have no idea what to think of Joseph. He really has been an asset as one of our gunners on special teams sans the penalties. It’s also a bit unfair to be overly critical of him when he gives up a play in coverage. The kid rarely plays in the base defense. Young CBs are going to give up plays; you can bet your house on it. I think the coaching staff just trusts Brown more at this point. Next season will be Joseph’s third year and will be make or break. We knew he was raw coming out. Im willing to wait to see how it plays out. If not, see ya later.
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How about neither, lol. Haven't liked how either has looked last 2 games really.
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Catches/Targets
Lewis 19/26, 73%
Bland 16/21, 76%
Bland's avg depth per target on completions:
4.5 yards (i.e. Air Yards)
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Difficult to compare inside vs outside CB.
Bland's completion rate allowed is very similar to Lewis. Nickel CBs have a higher completion rate but at much shorter depth of target. Bland's depth of target is 4.5 yards.
Joseph gave up minus 2 yards receiving his 1st ever NFL start (2021 game 15).
Joseph played 64% of snaps in the Packers game this season. He was targeted 3 times on 41 snaps.
We have not seen Joseph as the Nickel CB.
Bland did play outside in preseason and was not good in that role but looked very good inside.
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cool thanks for the correction. what considered a decent pct
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Bland:
17/22, 77%
162 yards allowed
9.5 yards per catch
2 TDs allowed
126 QB passer rating
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OP,
whomever the coaches think is the best choice. LOL
they both look about even in the eye test
Ill trust the pros to decide. they are breaking down tape and know who was supposed to dop what. Like if it was a safety's fault or not..
whomever the coaches think is the best choice. LOL
they both look about even in the eye test
Ill trust the pros to decide. they are breaking down tape and know who was supposed to dop what. Like if it was a safety's fault or not..
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I get it. The things is they have a 5th round rookie starting before two 2nd year CBs drafted in the 2nd n 3rd round. Yes, they have practice, but some guys are gamers. Maybe they suck, but it's just weird that their not getting a shot when Bland isn't light it up, and AB has position flex to go inside.