Vick in Dog Training Classes

JohnnyTheFox · Mar 6, 2013

Thats one of the things that irks me the most about this SOS. If an average Joe had been caught prosecuted and did his time the only job he could hope to find was flipping burgers.
Mexico on the other hand was allowed back in the NFL almost like he had never been gone and nothing had happened.
He can die in a fiery car crash for all i care........

Frozen700 · Mar 7, 2013

burmafrd;5016285 said:
you are making excuses for a psychopath

why don't you think about that?

Just stop...seriously

It's getting old

Frozen700 · Mar 7, 2013

burmafrd;5016684 said:
how does a psychopath learn a lesson?

He doesn't.

When someone enjoys torturing animals for years he is not someone that should be forgiven.

He's a psychopath now?

He can't learn a lesson?

Shouldn't be forgiven?

Who are you?

Easy to judge behind your imaginary wall you call a computer. Yeah because your life is on display for everyone to see in the public 24/7..so is your mother, brother, father, sister, daughter, son, uncle ect....

I bet they are all saints, no? never did wrong...if they did I hope you condemn them as well.

Stop trying to play God....you are not perfect, and judging is not for you

silverbear · Mar 7, 2013

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys;5015648 said:
This would be off-topic except it's about Michael Vick - he's in dog training classes >

I read that... the rumor is they're trying to get him to stop crappin' on the carpet...

daschoo · Mar 7, 2013

Should never be allowed near dogs after what he did. As others have said it wasn't a lapse or a mistake it was a carefully planned and hidden lifestyle for years. Anyone capable of treating animals like that is not mentally right in my opinion and expressing regret for being caught and not owning a dog for a couple of years does not fix that. It is, in my mind anyway, a perversion the man has, something not wired right in his brain and the same way you wouldn't hire a convicted paedophile as a kindergarten janitor someone convicted of this should never be allowed to own a dog.

daschoo · Mar 7, 2013

Frozen700;5016963 said:
He's a psychopath now?

He can't learn a lesson?

Shouldn't be forgiven?

Who are you?

Easy to judge behind your imaginary wall you call a computer. Yeah because your life is on display for everyone to see in the public 24/7..so is your mother, brother, father, sister, daughter, son, uncle ect....

I bet they are all saints, no? never did wrong...if they did I hope you condemn them as well.

Stop trying to play God....you are not perfect, and judging is not for you

if my brother was torturing and killing defenceless animals then damn right i'd be disgusted by him.

and i take you don't believe in courts and prison? if i killed your mother you'd just shrug your shoulders and say ah well who am i to judge, i'll leave that to god?

Frozen700 · Mar 7, 2013

daschoo;5016970 said:
if my brother was torturing and killing defenceless animals then damn right i'd be disgusted by him.

and i take you don't believe in courts and prison? if i killed your mother you'd just shrug your shoulders and say ah well who am i to judge, i'll leave that to god?

I would do everything in my power to get to you first before the courts/cops do...if they do? then yes all I can do is leave it in Gods hands, this isn't a movie.

You're going way off topic, talking about killing someone I love...a human vs a dog, an animal.

Don't give me that BS about them being pets.

Some people keep snakes as pets, do you get riled up when they are killed?? I guess you don't eat meat. They are animals as well, with feelings.

burmafrd · Mar 7, 2013

Frozen700;5016982 said:
I would do everything in my power to get to you first before the courts/cops do...if they do? then yes all I can do is leave it in Gods hands, this isn't a movie.

You're going way off topic, talking about killing someone I love...a human vs a dog, an animal.

Don't give me that BS about them being pets.

Some people keep snakes as pets, do you get riled up when they are killed?? I guess you don't eat meat. They are animals as well, with feelings.

I am enjoying watching you twist in the wind

zrinkill · Mar 7, 2013

Frozen700;5016982 said:
Some people keep snakes as pets, do you get riled up when they are killed?? I guess you don't eat meat. They are animals as well, with feelings.

So you think the slow torture of an animal because it lost a fight to another animal, or refused to fight at all, and eating meat are the same thing?

Do you not understand the mindset of someone who would electrocute or drown a dog to death while laughing with his friends?

Do you even read what you type?

jobberone · Mar 7, 2013

Let's dispense with discussing each other and stay on topic. And let's also leave people's family esp their mothers out of the discussion even if not meant derogatorily.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · Mar 7, 2013

burmafrd;5016684 said:
how does a psychopath learn a lesson?

He doesn't.

When someone enjoys torturing animals for years he is not someone that should be forgiven.

Facts please - your strong opinion is no substitute for that.

Since he finished his term and returned to the NFL, Vick has not committed cruelty or anything like it...I've asked a couple of times for links that he has and nobody has.

Vick is clearly behaving like a responsible pet owner, yet the quote above me screams and emotes he did not.

I don't have a problem if you said you can never forgive Vick regardless of whatever he does the rest of his life - I can see that. What I definitely have a problem with is when you and others read that link from The Grio he conclusively learned his lesson, yet you declare he's never learned and never will...I'm sorry reality upsets some of you.

Vick is a convicted felon that did hard time.

Vick was suspended from the NFL, lost all his sponsors.

He has paid a price...pretty big, but for some not enough.

His reputation is tainted forever and will carry it to his grave.

I think of the first thing politicians do when running for office - they dig up the dirt on their opponents. It's much easier than saying what they will do when elected. Nearly every one running for office will get dirt dug up on them. If not the candidate, someone close to them.

Several times I've seen an opponent will call out a candidate for cheating on his wife, then it turns out he was doing the same thing! Or it could be improper use of public funds, etc, etc.

The one point I want to make is we all have a past, something not to be proud of. I've been around too long to not think some of those making vindictive statements at Vick are going to be in his shoes at some point in their life.

RoyTheHammer · Mar 7, 2013

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys;5016301 said:
{asking this quietly}

After Vick did his time, does anyone have a link that would suggest he was faking his repentance or had a relapse?

Really interested in knowing, but no response so far.

Until then, it looks like he has learned his lesson and turned around. I do understand that some here wish additional punishment for Vick.

Im with you, man. Completely understand what you're saying and where you're coming from. The problem is that you're trying to hold a reasonable discussion about the topic with people who can't be reasonable about it. Your questions probably will remain unanswered as people chime in with their rants and raves about how to correctly judge the man.. even though none of them is fit to judge him in the first place. None of us knows what's going through his head, only what we can see that he's done since going to jail and paying for his crimes. And from what we can see, you seem to be correct in your OP about the subject.

daschoo · Mar 7, 2013

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys;5017128 said:
Facts please - your strong opinion is no substitute for that.

Since he finished his term and returned to the NFL, Vick has not committed cruelty or anything like it...I've asked a couple of times for links that he has and nobody has.

Vick is clearly behaving like a responsible pet owner, yet the quote above me screams and emotes he did not.

I don't have a problem if you said you can never forgive Vick regardless of whatever he does the rest of his life - I can see that. What I definitely have a problem with is when you and others read that link from The Grio he conclusively learned his lesson, yet you declare he's never learned and never will...I'm sorry reality upsets some of you.

Vick is a convicted felon that did hard time.

Vick was suspended from the NFL, lost all his sponsors.

He has paid a price...pretty big, but for some not enough.

His reputation is tainted forever and will carry it to his grave.

I think of the first thing politicians do when running for office - they dig up the dirt on their opponents. It's much easier than saying what they will do when elected. Nearly every one running for office will get dirt dug up on them. If not the candidate, someone close to them.

Several times I've seen an opponent will call out a candidate for cheating on his wife, then it turns out he was doing the same thing! Or it could be improper use of public funds, etc, etc.

The one point I want to make is we all have a past, something not to be proud of. I've been around too long to not think some of those making vindictive statements at Vick are going to be in his shoes at some point in their life.

I agree with you to the extent that we have all done things in our pasts that we are not proud of but why should a man who has tortured and killed several dogs for "sport" be allowed to own dogs after keeping his head down for a few years?
I'm not talking about him earning a living and of course he shouldn't be held back by things he has served his time for but in my opinion he should never be allowed to own animals again. As I said previously in this thread a paedophile would not be allowed to work with children on his release from jail and in my opinion people convicted of animal abuse should have the same permanent restrictions placed on them.

daschoo · Mar 7, 2013

Frozen700;5016982 said:
I would do everything in my power to get to you first before the courts/cops do...if they do? then yes all I can do is leave it in Gods hands, this isn't a movie.

You're going way off topic, talking about killing someone I love...a human vs a dog, an animal.

Don't give me that BS about them being pets.

Some people keep snakes as pets, do you get riled up when they are killed?? I guess you don't eat meat. They are animals as well, with feelings.

I've not gone off topic at all, you said that he has no right to judge Vick as that is for God alone. I posed a hypothetical scenario asking whether or not you would stick to your own moral code or whether you would make a judgement on me.
Eating meat is also a very weak comparison. Something that is killed as humanely as possible (there's a whole other topic re battery hens etc) to provide food does not equate to torturing an animal for your own enjoyment.

Phrozen Phil · Mar 7, 2013

daschoo;5017151 said:
I agree with you to the extent that we have all done things in our pasts that we are not proud of but why should a man who has tortured and killed several dogs for "sport" be allowed to own dogs after keeping his head down for a few years?
I'm not talking about him earning a living and of course he shouldn't be held back by things he has served his time for but in my opinion he should never be allowed to own animals again. As I said previously in this thread a paedophile would not be allowed to work with children on his release from jail and in my opinion people convicted of animal abuse should have the same permanent restrictions placed on them.

As a dog owner, I would agree with the premise stated above. I hope Vick goes on to try and help causes related to abused animals, but I view the ownership of a pet as a priviledge, not a right. At this point in his life, I don't see that he's earned that priviledge. I recommend that people here watch the HBO documentary "In Dog We Trust" when considering the issue of abused dogs.

I would also suggest a little less of the personal attacks on other posters.

JohnnyTheFox · Mar 7, 2013

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys;5017128 said:
Facts please - your strong opinion is no substitute for that.

Since he finished his term and returned to the NFL, Vick has not committed cruelty or anything like it...I've asked a couple of times for links that he has and nobody has.

Vick is clearly behaving like a responsible pet owner, yet the quote above me screams and emotes he did not.

I don't have a problem if you said you can never forgive Vick regardless of whatever he does the rest of his life - I can see that. What I definitely have a problem with is when you and others read that link from The Grio he conclusively learned his lesson, yet you declare he's never learned and never will...I'm sorry reality upsets some of you.

Vick is a convicted felon that did hard time.

Vick was suspended from the NFL, lost all his sponsors.

He has paid a price...pretty big, but for some not enough.

His reputation is tainted forever and will carry it to his grave.

I think of the first thing politicians do when running for office - they dig up the dirt on their opponents. It's much easier than saying what they will do when elected. Nearly every one running for office will get dirt dug up on them. If not the candidate, someone close to them.

Several times I've seen an opponent will call out a candidate for cheating on his wife, then it turns out he was doing the same thing! Or it could be improper use of public funds, etc, etc.

The one point I want to make is we all have a past, something not to be proud of. I've been around too long to not think some of those making vindictive statements at Vick are going to be in his shoes at some point in their life.

Hard time? :lmao:

Leavenworth is a far cry from hard time.

zrinkill · Mar 7, 2013

Achilleslastand;5017176 said:
Hard time?

Leavenworth is a far cry from hard time.

Looks like university.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · Mar 7, 2013

daschoo;5017151 said:
I agree with you to the extent that we have all done things in our pasts that we are not proud of but why should a man who has tortured and killed several dogs for "sport" be allowed to own dogs after keeping his head down for a few years?
I'm not talking about him earning a living and of course he shouldn't be held back by things he has served his time for but in my opinion he should never be allowed to own animals again. As I said previously in this thread a paedophile would not be allowed to work with children on his release from jail and in my opinion people convicted of animal abuse should have the same permanent restrictions placed on them.

The US has some catching up with the UK concerning animal abuse. Banning someone from having a pet for years or even a lifetime is something that should eventually happen here as well. We still have a few that still think cockfighting, dogfighting, etc. is acceptable.

Another thing peculiar to the US is ever since the invention of cat litter in the late 1940's, declawing is commonplace here and Canada, but hardly anywhere else...in fact it's outlawed in many countries. I'm not into that and it's another story - just saying it happens here.

Thank you for making a reasonable post - we need more.

RoyTheHammer · Mar 7, 2013

daschoo;5017154 said:
I've not gone off topic at all, you said that he has no right to judge Vick as that is for God alone. I posed a hypothetical scenario asking whether or not you would stick to your own moral code or whether you would make a judgement on me.
Eating meat is also a very weak comparison. Something that is killed as humanely as possible (there's a whole other topic re battery hens etc) to provide food does not equate to torturing an animal for your own enjoyment.

:laugh2:

Never visted a slaughterhouse, have you?

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · Mar 7, 2013

In regards to a few hynea-like posts recently, they would sober up if they had a felony conviction on their record:

Can no longer vote: from term to life, depending on state
Likely can't run for office
Can't serve on a jury
Harder to find a new job
Licences may be revoked

If it were them, they would not think it's getting off light.

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