Twitter: Werder says if Dez is tagged, he will skip Offseason Activities.

coult44 · Feb 18, 2015

It doesn't take a source or a genius to know that if Dez gets tagged he's gonna be ticked off. He's not going to participate, and he's going to show his anger.

Nightman · Feb 18, 2015

coult44 said:
It doesn't take a source or a genius to know that if Dez gets tagged he's gonna be ticked off. He's not going to participate, and he's going to show his anger.

It doesn't take a source or a genius to know that if Dez gets tagged he's gonna be ticked off. He's not going to participate, and he's going to show his immaturity.

FIFY

Idgit · Feb 18, 2015

Alexander said:
You still did not address the general premise.

What sports writer is going to name names?

Who is this paragon of journalistic virtue that would meet your standard?

So we are just left with who like and who you don't like.

And we all know what that counts for.

Your opinion.

Again. You really shouldn't need me to explain to you what a hack is. The issue is muckraking by using unnamed or nonexistent sources. Jay Glazer and Adam Schefter do name their sources. Especially Schefter. They also don't typically rake muck in order to do their jobs. There's a reason why they are respected in their profession and guys like Werder and Rapoport are generally not.

When Deion Sanders comes out publicly says Ed Werder is making up stories, you ought to know something's going on.

And, yes, these are just my opinions. Welcome to the concept of a forum. Read the thread, though. It's not just me that doesn't respect Ed Werder.

RamziD · Feb 18, 2015

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't think there are a lot of teams out there who would pay him 13 Million a year on a long term deal. I actually don't believe there are any. Things are changing in the NFL IMO. Teams are not going to pay that kind of money out. I just don't see it.

We'll see. Cowboys' initial offer was 10 years at an average of $12.5M per. I don't think Dez is holding out for $13M per year...I think he's holding out for $15M. I think we will ultimately be willing to pay 8 years at $13M per.

Idgit · Feb 18, 2015

Bluestang said:
CowboysZone 101:

Player X for the Cowboys said "insert negative commentary" = reporter has no confirmed sources/or they are a hack job according to the fans.

Player X for the Cowboys said "insert positive commentary" = happy fans.

You don't think the same applies for an unsourced rumor that turns out not to be true that was floated to excite fans of a particular team? A pattern of doing that wouldn't make a reporter a hack in your opinion? Or do we have to pretend that it only works one way?

How negative is Werder's comment in this case, anyway? I keep asking that, but it doesn't seem to get addressed. How 'bout you, Bluestang? Would you have been shocked to hear Dez chose not to participate in voluntary offseason workouts if he were disappointed about a franchise tag? Or would you expect it or at least think it's a strong possibility. You know your way around an NFL. What do you expect the player to do to show dissatisfaction in that case? Skipping voluntary workouts is pretty much the first order of business in such a case.

The issue was never 'positive' or 'negative.' The issue is that Werder just says things to get attention and doesn't cite or support them. And that the guy has a history of floating things that are not later backed up. Rapoport gets the same treatment here, for similar reasons, and it's got very little to do with the direction of his slant. It's the integrity of the report that's at issue. Honestly, I'm surprised anybody that posts regularly at CZ feels the need to defend the guy, given his track record. But we all have our reasons, I guess.

Not that anybody should expect to come to a Dallas Cowboys fans site and expect the community to embrace 'negative commentary.' I mean, people do, but it's kind of a dumb expectation if you stop and think about it.

big dog cowboy · Feb 18, 2015

CowboyGil said:
Dez already making business decisions. And if Dez wants to throw that out there, then I have no problem with the Cowboys playing the 'apprehension' card in reference to his off-field issues. Seems his immaturity is starting to show again.

Dez isn't saying or doing anything different than any other player in the same situation would. It's no secret the players hate the franchise tag after all. What do you really expect Dez to come out and say?

Nightman · Feb 18, 2015

Dez isn't saying or doing anything different than any other player in the same situation would. It's no secret the players hate the franchise tag after all. What do you really expect Dez to come out and say?

Bluestang · Feb 19, 2015

Idgit said:
You don't think the same applies for an unsourced rumor that turns out not to be true that was floated to excite fans of a particular team? A pattern of doing that wouldn't make a reporter a hack in your opinion? Or do we have to pretend that it only works one way?

How negative is Werder's comment in this case, anyway? I keep asking that, but it doesn't seem to get addressed. How 'bout you, Bluestang? Would you have been shocked to hear Dez chose not to participate in voluntary offseason workouts if he were disappointed about a franchise tag? Or would you expect it or at least think it's a strong possibility. You know your way around an NFL. What do you expect the player to do to show dissatisfaction in that case? Skipping voluntary workouts is pretty much the first order of business in such a case.

The issue was never 'positive' or 'negative.' The issue is that Werder just says things to get attention and doesn't cite or support them. And that the guy has a history of floating things that are not later backed up. Rapoport gets the same treatment here, for similar reasons, and it's got very little to do with the direction of his slant. It's the integrity of the report that's at issue. Honestly, I'm surprised anybody that posts regularly at CZ feels the need to defend the guy, given his track record. But we all have our reasons, I guess.

Not that anybody should expect to come to a Dallas Cowboys fans site and expect the community to embrace 'negative commentary.' I mean, people do, but it's kind of a dumb expectation if you stop and think about it.

Let's not pretend that Dez's comments about skipping offseason activities because of the tag are not going to rile fans up. Given his past history it just makes it even worse than it really is. The media will further that cause and will continue to sell the "told you so" line all offseason. Dez has had every opportunity to dispell what Werder has reported but I haven't heard him say anything yet.

Plenty of players have reported to OTAs under the tag and plnty have not. I'm fairly certain they do it based on what advice their agent gives them. Unfortunately Dez's past is going to haunt him because well we all know those things that have come to light about him from what the media has reported starting the day he reported in rookie camp out of shape.

I also tend to look at how Tyron Smith locked up a deal in a fairly quick fashion and even helped the team in the long run. And then I look at Dez's situation and wonder what exactly is the holdup? Who exactly is slowing down the process of negotiating?

Obviously its someone/something and Werder probably has a better idea than anyone on this board.

Idgit · Feb 19, 2015

Bluestang said:
Let's not pretend that Dez's comments about skipping offseason activities because of the tag are not going to rile fans up. Given his past history it just makes it even worse than it really is. The media will further that cause and will continue to sell the "told you so" line all offseason. Dez has had every opportunity to dispell what Werder has reported but I haven't heard him say anything yet.

Plenty of players have reported to OTAs under the tag and plnty have not. I'm fairly certain they do it based on what advice their agent gives them. Unfortunately Dez's past is going to haunt him because well we all know those things that have come to light about him from what the media has reported starting the day he reported in rookie camp out of shape.

I also tend to look at how Tyron Smith locked up a deal in a fairly quick fashion and even helped the team in the long run. And then I look at Dez's situation and wonder what exactly is the holdup? Who exactly is slowing down the process of negotiating?

Obviously its someone/something and Werder probably has a better idea than anyone on this board.

We'll never know what Werder does or doesn't know as he wont support it. I have no idea whether he has any more information on this topic than the average fan. We'd all just be guessing on that topic.

But the reasons you state are the exact reasons why it's easy for him to make a sensational report about Dez just for the reaction it gets. When it's sourced, or corroborated by either side or another reporter, it'll carry some weight. Otherwise, it'll fall by the wayside like the "Kyle Orton hated offensive power struggle in Dallas" scoop he shared with us all back in camp.

MRV52 · Feb 19, 2015

Selfish I think. I hate players of today as it's all about money and themselves. No longer do they have the heart for the team like the old Cowboys did.

Irving Cowboy · Feb 19, 2015

Idgit said:
We'll never know what Werder does or doesn't know as he wont support it.

Please explain what you mean by "won't support it". You really are flailing now.

And I don't remember, but with maybe what I can count on one hand between Glazer and Schefter, the number of times they have revealed their sources.

Idgit · Feb 19, 2015

Irving Cowboy said:
Please explain what you mean by "won't support it". You really are flailing now.

And I don't remember, but with maybe what I can count on one hand between Glazer and Schefter, the number of times they have revealed their sources.

Perhaps I should explain what the word "flail" means instead.

Forgive me if I don't take you're recollections all that seriously. Just go to Schefter's Twitter page and see him crediting sources in tweets for crying out loud. Look for a story of one of his colleagues saying he makes up sources. You won't find one.

Bluestang · Feb 19, 2015

Idgit said:
We'll never know what Werder does or doesn't know as he wont support it. I have no idea whether he has any more information on this topic than the average fan. We'd all just be guessing on that topic.

But the reasons you state are the exact reasons why it's easy for him to make a sensational report about Dez just for the reaction it gets. When it's sourced, or corroborated by either side or another reporter, it'll carry some weight. Otherwise, it'll fall by the wayside like the "Kyle Orton hated offensive power struggle in Dallas" scoop he shared with us all back in camp.

Except that it was corrobated multiple times by announcers who had talked to Kyle prior to the game about the situation.

But it probably had more to do with the Garrett/Callahan play calling fiasco from last season.

I guess you probably believe that Callahan left because he wanted to instead of essentially being forced to because of what all went down during his time here.

Longboysfan · Feb 19, 2015

Frozen700 said:
Track Record is a little stretchy

A little. He should be banned from ever being in the metroplex.

CowboyGil · Feb 19, 2015

big dog cowboy said:
Dez isn't saying or doing anything different than any other player in the same situation would. It's no secret the players hate the franchise tag after all. What do you really expect Dez to come out and say?

If they hate it so much, why did they let the PA approve it? Don't get me wrong, I love Dez's passion and he's a freak of a talent, but don't call the Cowboys out like that. The organization has done nothing but support him and give him all the resources he's needed to concentrate on football and show the league his elite talent.

DallasDW00ds0n · Feb 19, 2015

Good for dez, he's earned it

Idgit · Feb 19, 2015

Bluestang said:
Except that it was corrobated multiple times by announcers who had talked to Kyle prior to the game about the situation.

But it probably had more to do with the Garrett/Callahan play calling fiasco from last season.

I guess you probably believe that Callahan left because he wanted to instead of essentially being forced to because of what all went down during his time here.

Oh, it was corroborated? Perhaps I'm being unfair to Werder in this case. I was aware that many sources cited the Werder report. Who corroborated it, though?

sbark · Feb 19, 2015

Speaking of risk of injury............I wonder if Dez is still playing in the team Basketball squad..........speaking of injuries

Hostile · Feb 19, 2015

Bluestang said:
Let's not pretend that Dez's comments about skipping offseason activities because of the tag are not going to rile fans up. Given his past history it just makes it even worse than it really is. The media will further that cause and will continue to sell the "told you so" line all offseason. Dez has had every opportunity to dispell what Werder has reported but I haven't heard him say anything yet.

Plenty of players have reported to OTAs under the tag and plnty have not. I'm fairly certain they do it based on what advice their agent gives them. Unfortunately Dez's past is going to haunt him because well we all know those things that have come to light about him from what the media has reported starting the day he reported in rookie camp out of shape.

I also tend to look at how Tyron Smith locked up a deal in a fairly quick fashion and even helped the team in the long run. And then I look at Dez's situation and wonder what exactly is the holdup? Who exactly is slowing down the process of negotiating?

Obviously its someone/something and Werder probably has a better idea than anyone on this board.

When did Dez make those comments? I have not seen that at all. I have only seen Werder claim that sources tell him that Dez will do that. I will actually have to give Werder some credit if Dez has said this somewhere. I'd hate it, because I don't respect him, and I definitely believe he made that whole thing up knowing it would get him traffic clicks the same way he has in the past, but I'd have to give him credit for being right if Dez has said that.

Hostile · Feb 19, 2015

Hostile said:
When did Dez make those comments? I have not seen that at all. I have only seen Werder claim that sources tell him that Dez will do that. I will actually have to give Werder some credit if Dez has said this somewhere. I'd hate it, because I don't respect him, and I definitely believe he made that whole thing up knowing it would get him traffic clicks the same way he has in the past, but I'd have to give him credit for being right if Dez has said that.

Anyone? I am curious if Dez has said he would not participate. To anyone, anywhere?

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