Twitter: Werder says if Dez is tagged, he will skip Offseason Activities.

[Idgit]

Well then how ironic is it that a certain someone here who always claims he is in the know never reveals his sources... most likely because of the same thing you claim about Werder, that he doesn't have any. Funny how you allow that stuff to be posted on here with nary a cross word allowed to be said.

As a matter of fact he is dead on with his assessment, and he can tell you that he and I disagree on just about everything. Fact is, you consider everything that you don't like as hypothetical or coming from a lousy source and everything that is rosy or coming from the said poster above as being gospel. Like I said, laughable at best. Well at the risk of being all-encompassing I'm sure you've stuck your toe in the murky waters of a few harmless "he was a bad boy" stories but for the most part, you do everything you can to discredit anyone who says anything you don't WANT to believe.

Yes, I'm sure you've shared your stories of injuries, bad luck and bad officiating with everyone here. Congratulations.

Please, please, please. I'm begging you: stop with your Hos obsession. I don't want to feed it, and I don't want to be talking about it in threads.

I'm not going to waste time pointing out that you take things as facts that don't happen to be facts. My post history is there for everybody to see. You're wrong if you think I don't criticize the team. As I've said, I'm critical where I think criticism is merited, and I'm not one to complain about things just because they're uncertain or I don't understand them.

Other than that, the thread isn't about me. It's about Ed Werder, his credibility, and about what Dez might do if he gets franchised. My take is that Werder has no credibility because he rakes muck without providing sources and has a history of doing so. My take on Dez is that he very might well skip the voluntary offseason activities if he's franchised and a long term deal is not worked out. The rest of this stuff about you or Risen Star of all posters complaining about my perspective is a side note that doesn't interest anybody. So let's just let it drop and you can get back to propping up Ed Werder if you honestly care to.

 

[Doomsday101]

It probably would be a better situation then not but honestly, it's going to take a good two to three years before a rookie QB is ready to win IMO. That two or three years of high cap numbers with Dez and reduced returns on investment (not Dez's fault, just the situation with a young QB).

Maybe I don't know, most top QB are drafted by bottom feeder teams who have nothing going for them. How quickly can a young QB come along? I think much faster when you put a team around him where he is not having to carry the team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe I don't know, most top QB are drafted by bottom feeder teams who have nothing going for them. How quickly can a young QB come along? I think much faster when you put a team around him where he is not having to carry the team.

That's a good point but I'm really talking about developing to the point that you can compete for a championship. I almost always view things from a perspective of championships for the Cowboys. If you look at it from that point of view, I actually think 2 or 3 years is a bit on the hopeful side. It could take longer. If we don't hit on a QB, it will be much longer which only worsens the situation.

 

[DallasEast]

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[Doomsday101]

That's a good point but I'm really talking about developing to the point that you can compete for a championship. I almost always view things from a perspective of championships for the Cowboys. If you look at it from that point of view, I actually think 2 or 3 years is a bit on the hopeful side. It could take longer. If we don't hit on a QB, it will be much longer which only worsens the situation.

I don't know Brady took over year 2 for Bledsoe and they win the SB. Kap in SF and Wilson are helping their teams from the get go to be competing for championships but they all walked into pretty good situations where you have a team in place. Heck Staubach who took over for Morton walked into a situation where the Cowboys were already competing for championships. It my eyes in matters. Those poor guys getting drafted by 2-14 teams who have nothing around them are going to struggle and it is going to be much harder on them that some QB walking into a great situation where he does not have to carry the load to win

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know Brady took over year 2 for Bledsoe and they win the SB. Kap in SF and Wilson are helping their teams from the get go to be competing for championships but they all walked into pretty good situations where you have a team in place. Heck Staubach who took over for Morton walked into a situation where the Cowboys were already competing for championships. It my eyes in matters. Those poor guys getting drafted by 2-14 teams who have nothing around them are going to struggle and it is going to be much harder on them that some QB walking into a great situation where he does not have to carry the load to win

But how many others have not worked out that way? Roger is an outlier because the NFL was different then. No FA, you could stock a team and keep it intact. Same with Brady and New England in 2000 to a lessor extent but still, much more so then in todays NFL. Keep in mind that Brady didn't come right in and start either. He sat a year and would have likely sat a few more years had Bledsoe not suffered injury. Kaepernick has really not proven he can be a championship QB yet. He's kind of going the other way right now. Wilson, he is the exception. If we could get a QB like Wilson, that would be great but there is no guarantee that this will happen. I would add that in the case of Wilson, he was not prolific, by any means, when he first came into the league. Still isn't but the Defense was so good in Seattle that he didn't have to be. If we are going to become a Defensive powerhouse, that's a different situation entirely but there again, that really doesn't support the idea of signing Dez long term, to a huge contract. In fact, it kinda supports the idea of not doing that.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Please, please, please. I'm begging you: stop with your Hos obsession. I don't want to feed it, and I don't want to be talking about it in threads.

Who said I was talking about Hostile?

I already know he's full of it.

But I do know that Werder is much more sourced up than anyone, and I mean ANYONE here. I suppose you thought he was a nutcase when he broke the story about the Jimmy and Jerry divorce, too.

And I do know that he has been right much more than he has been wrong, and everyone has been wrong at one time or another.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I hope this story is inaccurate.

It hurts both him & the team obviously.

 

[Idgit]

Who said I was talking about Hostile?

I already know he's full of it.

But I do know that Werder is much more sourced up than anyone, and I mean ANYONE here. I suppose you thought he was a nutcase when he broke the story about the Jimmy and Jerry divorce, too.

And I do know that he has been right much more than he has been wrong, and everyone has been wrong at one time or another.

God help us when the hurdle for your journalists becomes being better connected than the fans on CowboysZone.com. How 'bout we aim even higher than that?

And everybody is 'sourced' if you don't care or don't know who the source is. What matters is whether or not your source is any good. I've got a hundred sources near the organization who agree Ed Werder is a hack. See how easy that is?

 

[Alexander]

For my part, I prefer actual named sources since they can be verified. Verified to actually exist. Verified to have said what they reportedly said, etc.

Since when do Schefter, Glazer etc. name names? They do that, they lose the source. If they are mentioning names, the team official meant to put it on public record.

Surely you are not that naïve to have that expectation of anyone in the media.

If you came out with that you don't trust what Werder has to say due to his Rapoport-like history of being wrong, I doubt anyone would care.

This idea that there are "good" and "bad" journalists (or the oh so worn out "mediot") is so tired.

They all have anonymous sources. Few, if any have the "verified" sources that you demand.

 

[Frozen700]

This is looking more an more like the Kevin Durant Situation. In terms of he might just say screw it, and leave.

 

[Idgit]

Since when do Schefter, Glazer etc. name names? They do that, they lose the source. If they are mentioning names, the team official meant to put it on public record.

Surely you are not that naïve to have that expectation of anyone in the media.

If you came out with that you don't trust what Werder has to say due to his Rapoport-like history of being wrong, I doubt anyone would care.

This idea that there are "good" and "bad" journalists (or the oh so worn out "mediot") is so tired.

They all have anonymous sources. Few, if any have the "verified" sources that you demand.

There are good and bad journalists. I'm sorry if that tires you, but that doesn't make it any less true.

And it's the muckraking without sources that's at issue.

As for "anyone caring," it's just you, Risen, and IC who do, as far as i can tell. The rest of us seem to be able to accept Ed Werder's reputation for what it is. Probably because he's earned it.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

The rest of us seem to be able to accept Ed Werder's reputation for what it is. Probably because he's earned it.

As have you... and those others on here who shall remain unnamed.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

And at least he puts his name on the line. You? I'd bet you wouldn't even ante up a polka-dot bowtie.

 

[cowboys1981]

My popcorn carries more weight than Werder's words.

 

[Idgit]

And at least he puts his name on the line. You? I'd bet you wouldn't even ante up a polka-dot bowtie.

Hey now, there's an awesome backstory to that bow tie, now.

 

[Bluestang]

CowboysZone 101:

Player X for the Cowboys said "insert negative commentary" = reporter has no confirmed sources/or they are a hack job according to the fans.

Player X for the Cowboys said "insert positive commentary" = happy fans.

As I previously said, and Stephen said in his comments today, the tag gives the player more money to the player upfront in alot of cases and it doesn't end any negotations between the player and the team for a long term deal.

Seems to me like Dez is getting bad advice from his agents and the stigma from the franchise tag is being used as a bargaining chip that doesn't help the negotating process.

The irony in all this is that the NFLPA bargained for this and gave the owners the ability to use the franchise and transition tags in exchange for the reduced practiced schedules/no pads OTAs/rookie wage scale. In other words less work, more pay, and the team that spent critical resources on a player (especially in Dez's situation) gets to exclusively negotatiate a long term contract when eligible...seems fair to me.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This is actually a really good point and I think it lends itself to the question of big long term contracts, especially where Dez is concerned. When Romo is done, Dez will still be here but how effective will the QB position be? Unless we are going to go out and spend big money on a good Vet QB, we are going to have to draft one and develop him. How long will it take to do that and is it better to have cap flexibility or is it better to have a significant amount of Cap tied up?

Never understood this. Why would an in his prime Dez not help a developing young QB?

Sam Bradford could be a pro bowler for all we know...except the Rams have failed to give him weapons. Again I encourage people to check out an AJ Green and what he does for Andy Dalton.

Or heck...look at what a TO and Jason Witten did Miles Austin did for a Tony Romo.

 

[Alexander]

There are good and bad journalists. I'm sorry if that tires you, but that doesn't make it any less true.

And it's the muckraking without sources that's at issue.

As for "anyone caring," it's just you, Risen, and IC who do, as far as i can tell. The rest of us seem to be able to accept Ed Werder's reputation for what it is. Probably because he's earned it.

You still did not address the general premise.

What sports writer is going to name names?

Who is this paragon of journalistic virtue that would meet your standard?

So we are just left with who like and who you don't like.

And we all know what that counts for.

Your opinion.

 

[Nightman]

CowboysZone 101:

Player X for the Cowboys said "insert negative commentary" = reporter has no confirmed sources/or they are a hack job according to the fans.

Player X for the Cowboys said "insert positive commentary" = happy fans.

As I previously said, and Stephen said in his comments today, the tag gives the player more money to the player upfront in alot of cases and it doesn't end any negotations between the player and the team for a long term deal.

Seems to me like Dez is getting bad advice from his agents and the stigma from the franchise tag is being used as a bargaining chip that doesn't help the negotating process.

The irony in all this is that the NFLPA bargained for this and gave the owners the ability to use the franchise and transition tags in exchange for the reduced practiced schedules/no pads OTAs/rookie wage scale. In other words less work, more pay, and the team that spent critical resources on a player (especially in Dez's situation) gets to exclusively negotatiate a long term contract when eligible...seems fair to me.

If he gets tagged twice that is 28m for 2 years. That is as much guaranteed money as he can expect on a long term deal and he will still be 28 and a FA for 2017. The tag is not a bad deal for players at all. They complain about it but really shouldn't. The one downside is if he gets hurt next year, but 13m is nothing to sneeze at. Even if he tears an ACL he will come back in 2016-17 and make a ton of money. This isn't baseball or the NBA, no one should get 3 years salaries guaranteed in case they get hurt.

Even Spencer made 20m for 2 years and missed an entire season. He was only going to get a 4/30m deal tops as a FA and would've still been cut after getting hurt.