DMN: NFL VP of Officiating: It’s not unreasonable to watch everything Dez did and think

KJJ · Jul 19, 2015

blindzebra said:
Yeah, funny. Even if true, and it isn't, it means I still know more about rules than you do.

You're disputing the ball even came loose which must be how you got your username blindzebra. LOL

5Stars · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
You're disputing the ball even came loose which must be how you got your username blindzebra. LOL

I thought you were done? LOL

Snarky remarks are usually made by someone that is frustrated.

blindzebra · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
You're disputing the ball even came loose which must be how you got your username blindzebra. LOL

I am saying that there was no irrefutable view that showed the ball bouncing off the ground, and by the rules of replay there has to be one. The video you showed has the ball touching the ground with Dez in control, Dez starts to roll from his belly to his back and then the ball pops up, which was AFTER the other angle happened. Could the ground have knocked the ball loose? Sure, but there was no angle showing that happen and by rule Seratore is not allowed to take two views and guess.

5Stars · Jul 19, 2015

blindzebra said:
I am saying that there was no irrefutable view that showed the ball bouncing off the ground, and by the rules of replay there has to be one. The video you showed has the ball touching the ground with Dez in control, Dez starts to roll from his belly to his back and then the ball pops up, which was AFTER the other angle happened. Could the ground have knocked the ball loose? Sure, but there was no angle showing that happen and by rule Seratore is not allowed to take two views and guess.

Right! Plus, some idiot a freaking hundred miles away watching TV was allowed to make HIS own interpretation. Pathetic....and, I might not be talking about Blandino.

KJJ · Jul 19, 2015

blindzebra said:
I am saying that there was no irrefutable view that showed the ball bouncing off the ground, and by the rules of replay there has to be one. The video you showed has the ball touching the ground with Dez in control, Dez starts to roll from his belly to his back and then the ball pops up, which was AFTER the other angle happened. Could the ground have knocked the ball loose? Sure, but there was no angle showing that happen and by rule Seratore is not allowed to take two views and guess.

There's a zoomed in up close view of the ball compressed on the turf. The same view on video shows the ball bounce off the ground and come loose. The ball was clearly moving after it hit the ground which made it pop up. Every expert I've listened to from ESPN to NFL Netwok agreed the ball came loose there's clear visual evidence of it. Why some of you continue to argue this is beyond me.

5Stars · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
There's a zoomed in up close view of the ball compressed on the turf. The same view on video shows the ball bounce off the ground and come loose. The ball was clearly moving after it hit the ground which made it pop up. Every expert I've listened to from ESPN to NFL Netwok agreed the ball came loose there's clear visual evidence of it. Why some of you continue to argue this is beyond me.

lmao...I knew you weren't done....post the clear visual evidence. smh

ElGatoGrande · Jul 19, 2015

Just thought I'd interrupt this mindless debate over the irrelevant ball movement (which was post-catch, extension and touchdown) and take the opportunity to suggest that Blandino and the NFL operatives need to be kicked down a flight of stairs and spat upon,,,, or spat upon and then kicked down a flight of stairs, either way justice would finally be done.

5Stars · Jul 19, 2015

EGG said:
Just thought I'd interrupt this mindless debate over the irrelevant ball movement (which was post-catch and touchdown) and take the opportunity to suggest that Blandino and the NFL operatives need to be kicked down a flight of stairs and spat upon,,,, or spat upon and then kicked down a flight of stairs, either way justice would finally be done.

He's not the only one....

Oh, and then KJJ sites ESPN and NFL Network and their "experts" saying it was not a catch. Well, to his credit, he did not use wikipedia as his source.

nathanlt · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
A receiver who's in the process of going to the ground doesn't have control of the ball until they complete the process of going to the ground and hanging onto the football through the contact of the ground. Dez never had solid footing from the time he landed and his momentum was taking him to the ground therefore he had to hang onto the ball through the contact of the ground and he didn't. The ball came loose upon contacting the ground and he regained control after that. Under the RULE that's a no catch.

You are right that the ball touched the ground. that's about it. Does that mean Dez must still be holding onto the ball, even this minute? No, through contact of the ground...

Contact of the ground has NEVER been defined as lasting beyond an elbow or knee down. NEVER.

THEREFORE, when Dez's right elbow was down, the play was OVER! The fact that the ball came out later never mattered.

"Under the Rule" means... KJJ has no idea what contact with the ground means. You just listen to Blandino's comedic interpretation of it is. The phrase doesn't mean anything more than knee or elbow down.

What if Dez had fallen to the ground in the EXACT same fashion, except he hit with his right knee, right hand, and his body momentum stopped, then he stood up, and walked into the end zone? Would the cheat BLANDINO expect the rest of his body to hit the ground, for it to be a catch? No, every official would call Dez down, right where the ball was when his knee or elbow hit.

So, in this loose interpretation of an undefined phrase, now, players can have a knee or elbow down, unable to advance the ball any further, but the catch is still in question?
That concept HAS NEVER BEEN defined in the rule book.

Calling Dez down the instant his elbow hit is what should have been applied against Green Bay. The rule doesn't establish a new standard of what contacting the ground means, no, it just lets Blandino talk a bunch of nonsense so that referees can arbitrarily apply rules to take away catches, even in pivotal playoff games.

nathanlt · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
I predicted in a post to Percy months ago during the MANY debates I had on this topic that the NFL would do away with the so called "football move" and "move common to the game" because not even Blandino could come up with an explanation that made sense to anyone. Dez's momentum was taking him forward while in the air making the catch. As he landed the defender was in the way and Dez was clearly going to the ground unable to maintain his footing.

Everyone agrees Dez caught the ball even league officials admit that but under the RULE a player going to the ground has to maintain control of the ball all the way through the contact of the ground and Dez didn't. Go look at the Calvin Johnson play he held onto the ball longer than Dez but because he was going to the ground he had to hang onto the ball all the way through the contact of the ground and he didn't. It's a dumb rule but it's the RULE and will continue to be the RULE.

As I've said, the NFL can't define a football move NOW or EVER, because in doing so, Dez would have caught the ball. He practically made every football move possible on that play.

The rule does not support what you are trying to make it support. Words mean something specific, and the NFL rulebook has never defined the concept you are describing. It does not take away DEZ'S CATCH!!

5Stars · Jul 19, 2015

Here is what bugs the hell out of me! Even the guy, a football player in the heat of the action covering Dez, said it was a catch, and he was the freaking enemy!

Yet ESPN, the NFL Network (and not all of them like KJJ sites) say it was not. But, then you have some ref on the field calling it a catch...then, BOOM, all of a sudden during replay, they let some fool that has never played the game rule on it and say it was not a catch.

Trolls love this stuff!

nathanlt · Jul 19, 2015

blindzebra said:
The problem is they are applying a rule meant for the sideline and endzone where a football move can not exist to a play in the field of play. A player falling OOB or in the endzone is not becoming a runner. Dez did all three provisions of a catch. They are missapplying a rule to fit the overturn that they wanted to happen because of the Detroit game and the TMZ party bus story.

Ain't that the truth, brother!! I'd bet they're going to try to write one of the unwritten rules to compensate...

"In situations where TMZ has cast the NFL showing favoritism to a particular team, or when the President has unnecessarily weighed in on a team's player facemasking an LB, that team from a swing state no less, the NFL shall reserve the right, to arbitrarily compensate by taking away a catch, using made up concepts never defined in the NFL rule book."

percyhoward · Jul 19, 2015

nathanlt said:
As I've said, the NFL can't define a football move NOW or EVER, because in doing so, Dez would have caught the ball. He practically made every football move possible on that play.

Reaching for the goal line was defined as an act common to the game, by Blandino, in 2013. No doubts he regrets ever being that specific, because although such exactness makes it easier to explain why certain calls were made, it can also make it much harder to explain why certain others were not.

big dog cowboy · Jul 19, 2015

percyhoward said:
Reaching for the goal line was defined as an act common to the game, by Blandino, in 2013. No doubts he regrets ever being that specific, because although such exactness makes it easier to explain why certain calls were made, it can also make it much harder to explain why certain others were not.

percyhoward · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
There's a zoomed in up close view of the ball compressed on the turf. The same view on video shows the ball bounce off the ground and come loose. The ball was clearly moving after it hit the ground which made it pop up.

There's no doubt about it. The play was correctly ruled on the field as a catch and down by contact, which is why the ground didn't cause a fumble. Of course, the ground can cause an incompletion, but you have to go back and overturn the catch for that to happen. You have to say Dez never had control -- and that's exactly what Blandino said, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

The key is that some people are under the mistaken impression that the ball coming loose proves Dez never had control in the first place, and automatically makes the pass incomplete. If you think this, you need to remember (or realize) that contacted runners who lose the ball when hitting the ground are down at that spot, which is how it was ruled on the field. The only way around this is to prove Dez had not completed the catch process, and was therefore not a runner.

You certainly can't just start out assuming he wasn't a runner.

AsthmaField · Jul 19, 2015

Missed calls by the refs were much easier to take back in the day, before they had instant replay. Getting to watch plays in slow motion really should take away much of the guesswork. It really should.

At live speed it looked like Dez caught it and made a football move. In slow-motion, it looked like Dez caught it and made a football move, and using frame-by-frame, it looked like Dez caught it and made a football move.

Now, had the original call been incomplete, I could see the NFL not overturning it because there wasn't irrefutable evidence either way. But with the original call being a catch, I don't know how in the hell it was overturned.

Now... I'm moving on to 2015 and I really can't wait to play GB.

KJJ · Jul 19, 2015

percyhoward said:
There's no doubt about it. The play was correctly ruled on the field as a catch and down by contact, which is why the ground didn't cause a fumble. Of course, the ground can cause an incompletion, but you have to go back and overturn the catch for that to happen. You have to say Dez never had control -- and that's exactly what Blandino said, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

The key is that some people are under the mistaken impression that the ball coming loose proves Dez never had control in the first place, and automatically makes the pass incomplete. If you think this, you need to remember (or realize) that contacted runners who lose the ball when hitting the ground are down at that spot, which is how it was ruled on the field. The only way around this is to prove Dez had not completed the catch process, and was therefore not a runner.

You certainly can't just start out assuming he wasn't a runner.

This is just a continuation of what we went over at least a dozen times immediately after the season. If the play was correctly called on the field it wouldn't have been reversed and the league would have admitted a mistake was made by reversing the call. The ground can't cause a fumble period. I'm going to continue to repeat what I've been saying until you get tired of hearing it. Under the RULE for a receiver "who's going to the ground" to have control of the football they must maintain control of it through the contact of the ground and Dez clearly didn't. EVERYONE agrees Dez caught the football but under the RULE because his momentum was taking him to the ground he must maintain control of it through the contact of the ground and he DIDN'T!

The play has been examined and dissected frame by frame like the Zapruder film and 3 things are very clear Dez is going to the ground, the ball clearly touched the ground and it clearly came loose immediately upon contacting the ground which equals no catch under the RULE. You're arguing what the league confirmed to be a correct call by RULE. The call wasn't bad the RULE is bad. Training camp is 9 days away continuing to argue this isn't going to change anyone's opinion we're just wasting time rehashing what's already been argued numerous times over the past 7 months....enough already!

5Stars · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
This is just a continuation of what we went over at least a dozen times immediately after the season. If the play was correctly called on the field it wouldn't have been reversed and the league would have admitted a mistake was made by reversing the call. The ground can't cause a fumble period. I'm going to continue to repeat what I've been saying until you get tired of hearing it. Under the RULE for a receiver "who's going to the ground" to have control of the football they must maintain control of it through the contact of the ground and Dez clearly didn't. EVERYONE agrees Dez caught the football but under the RULE because his momentum was taking him to the ground he must maintain control of it through the contact of the ground and he DIDN'T!

The play has been examined and dissected frame by frame like the Zapruder film and 3 things are very clear Dez is going to the ground, the ball clearly touched the ground and it clearly came loose immediately upon contacting the ground which equals no catch under the RULE. You're arguing what the league confirmed to be a correct call by RULE. The call wasn't bad the RULE is bad. Training camp is 9 days away continuing to argue this isn't going to change anyone's opinion we're just wasting time rehashing what's already been argued numerous times over the past 7 months....enough already!

What is wrong KJJ? Are some mean FANS making you look stupid? If they are...forget about them...you are doing a good job yourself.

RULE EVERYONE DIDN'T

percyhoward · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
You're arguing what the league confirmed to be a correct call by RULE. The call wasn't bad the RULE is bad.

The league (Blandino) simply stated the rule that a receiver going to the ground must maintain control through contacting the ground. But it's one thing to know a rule, and another thing to know when it applies. It most definitely does not apply to a runner, which Blandino knows, and which anyone who is still talking about the play should know well by now.

The only way to make the call correct is to say that Dez was a receiver and not a runner. Once you make Dez a receiver, you make that rule fit this play. But in order to make Dez a receiver, you have to show that he did not complete the three-part catch process of control, both feet down, and an act common to the game. Which of those three elements do you think was missing?

cowboyvic · Jul 19, 2015

KJJ said:
This is just a continuation of what we went over at least a dozen times immediately after the season. If the play was correctly called on the field it wouldn't have been reversed and the league would have admitted a mistake was made by reversing the call. The ground can't cause a fumble period. I'm going to continue to repeat what I've been saying until you get tired of hearing it. Under the RULE for a receiver "who's going to the ground" to have control of the football they must maintain control of it through the contact of the ground and Dez clearly didn't. EVERYONE agrees Dez caught the football but under the RULE because his momentum was taking him to the ground he must maintain control of it through the contact of the ground and he DIDN'T!

The play has been examined and dissected frame by frame like the Zapruder film and 3 things are very clear Dez is going to the ground, the ball clearly touched the ground and it clearly came loose immediately upon contacting the ground which equals no catch under the RULE. You're arguing what the league confirmed to be a correct call by RULE. The call wasn't bad the RULE is bad. Training camp is 9 days away continuing to argue this isn't going to change anyone's opinion we're just wasting time rehashing what's already been argued numerous times over the past 7 months....enough already!

Stop making yourself look like a fool. Dez caught that ball. and the rules have nothing to do with it. so you can take that BS and stuff it. the cowboys were cheated out of a chance to go to the NFC championship game. PERIOD! and no BS spin by you and the NFL is going to change that fact. the cowboys got screwed.

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