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Aerolithe_Lion · Apr 17, 2018

EMMITTnROY said:
Lawrence. Irving. Collins. Crawford. Gregory. Ealy. Taco.

Lee. Jaylon. Rookie first rounder.

Chidobe. Lewis. Byron. Brown.

Thomas. Woods.

That could be an elite defense.

(Yes, I know Gregory bla bla. I'm going full optimism here as if everything I wanna see happen actually happens).

Really? You looked at that defense last year and thought, "Boy, we're one player away from Jacksonville. Minnesota. Philadelphia"

Bleu Star · Apr 17, 2018

The random things you find on Twitter when you're up at 2am and can't sleep.

phildadon86 · Apr 17, 2018

stasheroo said:
I looked at Beasley's twitter feed when Dez was released and didn't see the comments that were attributed to him. I don't think those were legitimate. That's why I asked you about it.

Or deleted when he found out why Dez was gone lol

Fletch · Apr 17, 2018

Bleu Star said:
Are you ready for it?

Bro brah! Love the title. Why didn’t I think of that? Lol

Bleu Star · Apr 17, 2018

Fletch said:
Bro brah! Love the title. Why didn’t I think of that? Lol

It was a 2am can't sleep though. Highly random..lol

Fletch · Apr 17, 2018

Bleu Star said:
It was a 2am can't sleep though. Highly random..lol

Well played!

John813 · Apr 17, 2018

Fletch said:
Bro brah! Love the title. Why didn’t I think of that? Lol

Yea, the title was creative. Gotta give a like for that lol.

tm1119 · Apr 17, 2018

Hero Worship at its finest. Earl Thomas isn’t fixing this D, he’s just a big name everyone is gravitating to. Signing Tre Boston and using the assets that would be traded for ET for more young defenders would be a much smarter strategy.

Sydla · Apr 17, 2018

Galian Beast said:
I think people don't look at the numbers and they get stuck in a pattern of thinking that hasn't looked at the full picture. You have to be open to question yourself and your thinking when new information is brought to light.

Here is the snap background for the linebackers in 2016 (taking 2016 because it is a more ideal year than 2017)
Sean Lee - 92.40% of snaps (which is extremely healthy and active for a player given a bad rap).
Anthony Hitchens - 55.18% of snaps
Damien Wilson - 26.88% of snaps
Justin Durant - 26.4% of snaps

People want to load this position with high draft picks?

And why do Wilson and Durant and Hitchens play as sparingly as they did?

Because they aren't good enough to warrant staying on the field for long. In other words, let's say instead of Hitchens at MLB last year you had Bobby Wagner at MLB. He'd play 90+% of the snaps too with Lee.

Now if you believed a LB you were taking at 19 could be that type of MLB, why wouldn't you choose him?

As I said to stash in another thread, this "maximizing" snaps component to who should be a first round pick would indicate that you should never use a first round pick on anything other than an OL, a QB or maybe a CB.

Further, the snap counts angle seems to be a new argument for an OG when people realized just how silly it sounds arguing that the thing holding back the arguably the best LT, C and RG in football from being a great OL is a rookie LG..............

links18 · Apr 17, 2018

Dez and Scandrick for ET.

Oh, right.

Sydla · Apr 17, 2018

Here's a question for Galian and stash since they are pushing the snap count angle.

If you are the GM of the Cowboys and at the 19th pick you have Hernandez and a defender (DT, DE, LB, S) that you have on your board as an equal (or maybe even slightly better) than Hernandez, who would you chose?

Mobinvans · Apr 17, 2018

If we got 3-4 good years from Earl Thomas it would be worth it

SoupcanSam · Apr 17, 2018

Bleu Star said:
"home team discount"

"Stay tuned. It'll happen before the draft."

Yup... This guy is spot on.

If anyone isn't hip to mark Holmes, subscribe and follow him on YouTube. He is always on point on cowboys news.

Also lawnation on YouTube is building a very good cowboys channel with live streams, and shows with live call-ins. Big ups to those guys building this up for the fanbase and they are regular Joe's just like us.

tm1119 · Apr 17, 2018

Galian Beast said:
I think people don't look at the numbers and they get stuck in a pattern of thinking that hasn't looked at the full picture. You have to be open to question yourself and your thinking when new information is brought to light.

Here is the snap background for the linebackers in 2016 (taking 2016 because it is a more ideal year than 2017)
Sean Lee - 92.40% of snaps (which is extremely healthy and active for a player given a bad rap).
Anthony Hitchens - 55.18% of snaps
Damien Wilson - 26.88% of snaps
Justin Durant - 26.4% of snaps

People want to load this position with high draft picks?

Why was 2016 a more ideal year? Because it fits your narrative best? Lee not being injury prone is laughable at best.
And when did we have a good defense that youre using an example like it worked. 2016 was a borderline fluke year for the D and they were still just barely good enough. And that mostly had to do with the offense and ball control/field position. The D has nowhere near enough talent, 1 player isn’t helping that either

Sydla · Apr 17, 2018

tm1119 said:
Why was 2016 a more ideal year? Because it fits your narrative best? Lee not being injury prone is laughable at best.
And when did we have a good defense that youre using an example like it worked. 2016 was a borderline fluke year for the D and they were still just barely good enough. And that mostly had to do with the offense and ball control/field position. The D has nowhere near enough talent, 1 player isn’t helping that either

People overrate how good the 2016 D was. If you look at a wide selection of stats, not just yards per game, it would tell this defense was mediocre.

Stash · Apr 17, 2018

Sydla said:
And why do Wilson and Durant and Hitchens play as sparingly as they did?

Because they aren't good enough to warrant staying on the field for long. In other words, let's say instead of Hitchens at MLB last year you had Bobby Wagner at MLB. He'd play 90+% of the snaps too with Lee.

Now if you believed a LB you were taking at 19 could be that type of MLB, why wouldn't you choose him?

As I said to stash in another thread, this "maximizing" snaps component to who should be a first round pick would indicate that you should never use a first round pick on anything other than an OL, a QB or maybe a CB.

And as I corrected you there, that claim disregards both need and value of the player matching the pick. Both of which coincide here. Apples to oranges comparison on your part.

Further, the snap counts angle seems to be a new argument for an OG when people realized just how silly it sounds arguing that the thing holding back the arguably the best LT, C and RG in football from being a great OL is a rookie LG..............

How exactly is it "silly"? Is Tyron Smith supposed to play left guard in addition to left tackle? Is that what's now required of him?

Or is it Travis Free it's job to do it? Not just be a great center, but do the next next you'd job as well!

You're right, that makes much more sense...

Did you happen to watch the first few games of the 2017 season with Chaz Green in there? Plenty of people thought that he'd be "good enough too". But he wasn't. And the entire line suffered as a result, along with the running game. The offense didn't gel until Cooper came into the lineup, and the guys on the line could trust the guy next to them rather than worrying about him.

They were then able to focus on their own job rather than babysitting someone else. Did you not see this or do you now not want to?

Stash · Apr 17, 2018

Sydla said:
Here's a question for Galian and stash since they are pushing the snap count angle.

If you are the GM of the Cowboys and at the 19th pick you have Hernandez and a defender (DT, DE, LB, S) that you have on your board as an equal (or maybe even slightly better) than Hernandez, who would you chose?

Hernandez.

What about you? Which position would you take there?

RomoFor6 · Apr 17, 2018

Get this done. Two thirds and be done with it.

Sydla · Apr 17, 2018

stasheroo said:
And as I corrected you there, that claim disregards both need and value of the player matching the pick. Both of which coincide here. Apples to oranges comparison on your part.

How exactly is it "silly"? Is Tyron Smith supposed to play left guard in addition to left tackle? Is that what's now required of him?

Or is it Travis Free it's job to do it? Not just be a great center, but do the next next you'd job as well!

You're right, that makes much more sense...

Did you happen to watch the first few games of the 2017 season with Chaz Green in there? Plenty of people thought that he'd be "good enough too". But he wasn't. And the entire line suffered as a result, along with the running game. The offense didn't gel until Cooper came into the lineup, and the guys on the line could trust the guy next to them rather than worrying about him.

They were then able to focus on their own job rather than babysitting someone else. Did you not see this or do you now not want to?

So you don't see the silliness in the argument that despite the fact they have three of the best OL in football already on the OL, they aren't good enough to build a strong line, but that it would take a rookie from UTEP to turn those three guys back into an elite OL?

With those three guys (frankly four when you factor in Collins was likely a first round guy himself and showed improvement last year) you shoud be able to find nothing more than a competent OG and plug him in and find success............. like we did with Leary in 2014 and Cooper in 2016.

This idea that the missing link for this OL is a OG in the first round is bizarre.

Miller · Apr 17, 2018

stasheroo said:
3rd or 4th round pick and no more than $10 million a year on a new deal.

Any higher than that and I let him stay in Seattle for that rebuild. I know that nobody up in the great Northwest really wants that.

This is what I was saying yesterday and agree completely. A 2nd is a waste for his age. But I'd do a 3rd and 4th and not break the bank. Defense got younger last year. You don't want to start throwing away high picks to get a little older, even if it is a guy like ET.

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