Adult Language Jason Witten on All or Nothing

Idgit · Apr 23, 2018

sideon said:
Bennett had a good career with the Bears, a productive year for the Giants, and a SB ring with the Pats. They had their TE but got rid of him because they didn't want to develop him.

There’s a reason he did all of those things with four different teams. Beyond the fact that he couldn’t hold a candle to Witten in any of those locations.

Idgit · Apr 23, 2018

theebs said:
fasano was a good player and had a good feel with Tony Romo. He was part of that group of guys that was close also. He has played in 180 games and caught 36 touchdowns. he should have been here a long time. Garrett shipping him off for nothing without ever having given a clear answer is still ridiculous to me. He was the perfect compliment. He would have only got better here.

Garrett screwed that up. Bennett was not only not a better player but he was a problem in the locker room and spoke out against the quarterback and witten publicly. Everything about dumping fasano all these years later still stinks.

The story on Fasano at the time was that he had trouble getting the blocking assignments down. I don’t know how true that is or not, but the guy would never have replaced Witten as TE1 in Dallas.

cern · Apr 23, 2018

Galian Beast said:
That was a terrible speech.

I think we can quell any further MNF talk.

theebs · Apr 23, 2018

Idgit said:
The story on Fasano at the time was that he had trouble getting the blocking assignments down. I don’t know how true that is or not, but the guy would never have replaced Witten as TE1 in Dallas.

Who thought he was going to replace witten? I dont think anyone thought that. In fact a big storyline of the 06 offseason was how Parcells wanted another good tight end like he had in Dan Campbell but more versatile. That is who they drafted. They drafted sean ryan in 04 and wanted him to do what fasano ended up doing. They signed brett pierce in 05 but he went to IR.

Fasano was perfect for the role he was drafted for and to be the #2 Tight End in Dallas. he embraced the role and understood from day one.

Garrett and Wade used all kinds of excuses on why they dumped fasano. Didn't play special teams, couldn't block, didnt fit the scheme etc. All nonsense. It was a major blunder dumping him. Replacing Witten as the #1 was never intended, never a thought and was not a factor in any way shape or form.

Complete screwup from Garrett.

glimmerman · Apr 23, 2018

When is this show on? I have prime but it’s not showing up yet. Just the trailer for it.

OmerV · Apr 23, 2018

Idgit said:
How many snaps do you suggest we ought to give a guy for you to count it as a ‘chance?’

You've probably read enough of my posts by now to know I'm not one of the guys that attacks the team often, and certainly I'm not one that looks for any nonsense excuse to do it. but while I'm a huge Witten fan, and believe he is still the best we have at the moment, I have to agree that others haven't been given a chance. It's not so much lack of snaps as it is lack of targets. I've advocated for several years that the team use a second TE to at least catch a few passes, even if it's only 25-30 over the season. That would be enough to add another weapon to the offense, and to see how another TE can perform as a receiver. Realistically, wasn't that supposed to be the idea behind drafting Fasano, Bennett and Escobar - to have 2 productive TE's?

sunalsorises · Apr 23, 2018

gp_cowpolk said:
You can pick any Cowboys team in any era 1970's 1980's 1990's this guy would be the starter if he were on any team the Cowboys have ever put on a football field any team any era

Jason Witten wears pads and a helmet to protect the other players.

Idgit · Apr 23, 2018

theebs said:
Who thought he was going to replace witten? I dont think anyone thought that. In fact a big storyline of the 06 offseason was how Parcells wanted another good tight end like he had in Dan Campbell but more versatile. That is who they drafted. They drafted sean ryan in 04 and wanted him to do what fasano ended up doing. They signed brett pierce in 05 but he went to IR.

Fasano was perfect for the role he was drafted for and to be the #2 Tight End in Dallas. he embraced the role and understood from day one.

Garrett and Wade used all kinds of excuses on why they dumped fasano. Didn't play special teams, couldn't block, didnt fit the scheme etc. All nonsense. It was a major blunder dumping him. Replacing Witten as the #1 was never intended, never a thought and was not a factor in any way shape or form.

Complete screwup from Garrett.

The context we were talking about was supplanting Witten. At least, that’s what I’d said in the post you’d replied to.

I’d only ever heard that they had issues with him picking up the blocking assignments, but you’re right that he had a long career in the league, regardless. Looks like a mistake to me, too.

Bluestang · Apr 23, 2018

BrAinPaiNt said:

So how is Witten putting his money where his mouth is by his play in the field? I see some players nodding their heads but I do not see the body language that they are into what he’s preaching. They looked like they are being talked at rather than the message sinking in.

Leadership is not just about talking it up it’s also about backing it up with your play too. If you can’t lead by example than it becomes a very tough sell for your followers. The moment doubt is seeded in their minds it’s already too late.

Mincey was successful here because he could prove his veteran leadership on the field with his play...

BrAinPaiNt · Apr 23, 2018

Bluestang said:
So how is Witten putting his money where his mouth is by his play in the field? I see some players nodding their heads but I do not see the body language that they are into what he’s preaching. They looked like they are being talked at rather than the message sinking in.

Leadership is not just about talking it up it’s also about backing it up with your play too. If you can’t lead by example than it becomes a very tough sell for your followers. The moment doubt is seeded in their minds it’s already too late.

Mincey was successful here because he could prove his veteran leadership on the field with his play...

Witten is a multple pro bowler and future hall of famer that works his tail off and has only missed one game during his career...if that is not backing it up I don't think anything anyone can say will convince you otherwise.

theebs · Apr 23, 2018

Idgit said:
The context we were talking about was supplanting Witten. At least, that’s what I’d said in the post you’d replied to.

I’d only ever heard that they had issues with him picking up the blocking assignments, but you’re right that he had a long career in the league, regardless. Looks like a mistake to me, too.

It’s 2018 I guess should probably give up my debate on fasano.

Probably should have in 08 honestly.

Bluestang · Apr 23, 2018

BrAinPaiNt said:
Witten is a multple pro bowler and future hall of famer that works his tail off and has only missed one game during his career...if that is not backing it up I don't think anything anyone can say will convince you otherwise.

I won’t argue the working his tail off but his game participation record and Pro Bowls? Pro Bowls have been proven to be controversial.

He wasn’t even first choice the last season...he was a replacement. He hasn’t been a first choice Pro Bowler since 2013.

He’s also been selected as an All Pro twice - 2007 & 2010.

There’s a reason why Romo wanted Beasley so badly in this offense to work the underneath routes...

It’s a hard pillow to swallow but Witten needs to move on.

Idgit · Apr 23, 2018

OmerV said:
You've probably read enough of my posts by now to know I'm not one of the guys that attacks the team often, and certainly I'm not one that looks for any nonsense excuse to do it. but while I'm a huge Witten fan, and believe he is still the best we have at the moment, I have to agree that others haven't been given a chance. It's not so much lack of snaps as it is lack of targets. I've advocated for several years that the team use a second TE to at least catch a few passes, even if it's only 25-30 over the season. That would be enough to add another weapon to the offense, and to see how another TE can perform as a receiver. Realistically, wasn't that supposed to be the idea behind drafting Fasano, Bennett and Escobar - to have 2 productive TE's?

It all starts with earning the snaps. I don’t buy that there guys are getting on tape and then get neglected. If they’re open, they’ll get their looks. At the very least, they’ll continue to get snaps.

We’ve consistently gotten both Swaim and Hanna offensive snaps the last several years. They’re getting their opportunities.

OmerV · Apr 23, 2018

Idgit said:
It all starts with earning the snaps. I don’t buy that there guys are getting on tape and then get neglected. If they’re open, they’ll get their looks. At the very least, they’ll continue to get snaps.

We’ve consistently gotten both Swaim and Hanna offensive snaps the last several years. They’re getting their opportunities.

This seems to assume that other TEs have the same chance to get targeted as Witten, but they just aren't getting open. I don't think that's the case at all. I think in most cases other TE's are used mostly as an extra blocker. As for Swaim and Hanna, again, you are talking about snaps, and not targets.

DiResta · Apr 23, 2018

Galian Beast said:
That was a terrible speech.

reminds me of my dad
workaholic and honest but old fashioned makes advice sound like lecture

comeon guys we can do it if we pull together, you see hard work pay off - Witten
they know me they fear me come with me and they will fear you too - Ray Lewis

Witten is great but not at inspirational speeches

Idgit · Apr 23, 2018

OmerV said:
This seems to assume that other TEs have the same chance to get targeted as Witten, but they just aren't getting open. I don't think that's the case at all. I think in most cases other TE's are used mostly as an extra blocker. As for Swaim and Hanna, again, you are talking about snaps, and not targets.

Yep. Snaps precede targets. Earn the snaps, put down the film. Earn the targets.

Are you saying they never get to go out into patterns? Or that they do, get open, but don’t get any attempts their way?

DallasEast · Apr 23, 2018

The opponent's defense dictates running the proper route designed by the offensive scheme. For too long some people have complained about Witten running short routes that do not net first downs. Perhaps one day the head coach and/or offensive coordinator will get some of the criticism that should not be leveled at Witten or any receiver running the route demanded by a particular play. Of course, it is another thing entirely if it can be proven that Witten is making up routes ran three yards past the line of scrimmage...

OmerV · Apr 23, 2018

Idgit said:
Yep. Snaps precede targets. Earn the snaps, put down the film. Earn the targets.

Are you saying they never get to go out into patterns? Or that they do, get open, but don’t get any attempts their way?

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. If the guys getting the snaps are there to block and not given much of a chance to run routes or catch passes, they aren't getting the opportunity to earn more. What I have seen is the times they are targeted, particularly Hanna, they have caught the ball and been effective.

And no, I'm not saying they never go out on patterns, I'm saying when they do they rarely are anywhere close to the first look - or second or third ... more of just a body for a LB to pay attention to than having any real chance to be targeted.

erod · Apr 23, 2018

Bluestang said:
So how is Witten putting his money where his mouth is by his play in the field? I see some players nodding their heads but I do not see the body language that they are into what he’s preaching. They looked like they are being talked at rather than the message sinking in.

Leadership is not just about talking it up it’s also about backing it up with your play too. If you can’t lead by example than it becomes a very tough sell for your followers. The moment doubt is seeded in their minds it’s already too late.

Mincey was successful here because he could prove his veteran leadership on the field with his play...

You don't think Hall of Fame play warrants respect?

Look it up. Even at this age, Witten is still putting up top 15 numbers among tight ends.

Bluestang · Apr 23, 2018

erod said:
You don't think Hall of Fame play warrants respect?

Look it up. Even at this age, Witten is still putting up top 15 numbers among tight ends.

I’m not arguing his HoF status but at some point there has to be a changing of the guard. Witten just isn’t elite anymore and hasn’t been for awhile.

Top 15? Let’s not set the bar too high.

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