Tony Romo for HOF

Cowboysfan917 · May 6, 2018

Streetwise said:
Unfortunately, there are too many QBs in Romo's era that are much more accomplished than Romo.

I agree that it will be extremely difficult for him to get in with the lack of team success but as an individual, I do believe he should be in for what he was able to accomplish.

G2 · May 6, 2018

Cowboysfan917 said:
I agree that it will be extremely difficult for him to get in with the lack of team success but as an individual, I do believe he should be in for what he was able to accomplish.

Well, no because postseason should be included.

dfense · May 6, 2018

DuDa said:
What do Romo’s numbers look like compared to Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees etc.?

Compare their first 8 seasons starting. That's more telling.

DFWJC · May 6, 2018

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
Would Eli make it because of the SB's?

His team won two SBs...so that may do it.

Plus, even though he has been the very definition of an average player almost his entire career, that career has been long and healthy....so his sheer volume numbers (NOT efficiency, accuracy, turnover ratio or anything like that) have been good.

Its like a career 250 hitter in baseball who plays so many years that his actual number of hits are pretty high anyway....by default.

I mean, in the pass-happy era he has played in, you have to be pretty average to have career QB rating of 83.5.
But although all other times his and team went to the playoffs, they lost immediately (1 and done 4 times) they caught lightening in a bottle and got hot (especially the defense,but him too) two offseasons.

kskboys · May 6, 2018

Romo? No. Nice QB, good player, but not the HOF.

IMO, the HOF is for great players. Romo was good.

In this era, I put Brady and PManning in, and maybe Aaron Rodgers, but that's about it. Phillip Rivers was better than Eli, and he should go in before Eli. Bigben is also on the cusp.

Oh, and I might put Brees in based on numbers alone. Dude will retire as the all time passing yds and TD leader if he keeps playing.

Think about his one. Who's better, Stafford or Eli? Did you have to think about it? I did. That says a lot, doesn't it?

G2 · May 6, 2018

DFWJC said:
His team won two SBs...so that may do it.

Plus, even though he has been the very definition of an average player almost his entire career, that career has been long and healthy....so his sheer volume numbers (NOT efficiency, accuracy, turnover ratio or anything like that) have been good.

Its like a career 250 hitter in baseball who plays so many years that his actual number of hits are pretty high anyway....by default.

I mean, in the pass-happy era he has played in, you have to be pretty average to have career QB rating of 83.5.
But although all other times his and team went to the playoffs, they lost immediately (1 and done 4 times) they caught lightening in a bottle and got hot (especially the defense,but him too) two offseasons.

That's not fair and accurate. Eli may not be a Dallas fan favorite, but the only game he ever missed was when a soon to be fired HC benched him. Singling him out as if the O line shouldn't share blame.
As goofy as he is and even though he's a rival you can't deny his durability and his skill set. Most fans will say it was all his team that won SBs, that the pass to Tyree was "lucky" but watch the game and be honest. One, how did he possibly avoid a sack in the biggest game under big pressure and even throw a pass? Next, ask yourself why do fans focus on THAT play and not the entire game winning drive he orchestrated and threw a game winning TD to Plexico? Romo has never played like that in the postseason.

DFWJC · May 6, 2018

Streetwise said:
That's not fair and accurate. Eli may not be a Dallas fan favorite, but the only game he ever missed was when a soon to be fired HC benched him. Singling him out as if the O line shouldn't share blame.
As goofy as he is and even though he's a rival you can't deny his durability and his skill set. Most fans will say it was all his team that won SBs, that the pass to Tyree was "lucky" but watch the game and be honest. One, how did he possibly avoid a sack in the biggest game under big pressure and even throw a pass? Next, ask yourself why do fans focus on THAT play and not the entire game winning drive he orchestrated and threw a game winning TD to Plexico? Romo has never played like that in the postseason.

Like I said, he had great longevity. Impressive.
And he really did have some good plays on both of those playoff run.
Not sure what you mean by Romo not playing like that in post season...he played at least that good in both games in 2014. imo
But whatever. The comment was about Eli, not Romo. no need to jab at Romo.

Btw, Eli laid some massive eggs in the playoffs too. 4 times his team went one and done and three of them he was truly horrible.
If you get enough chances with the right teams, maybe eventually you break through and get on a roll.
See Flacco as exhibit A
Hell, Flacco "won" a playoff game once completing 4 passes with no Tds and an int. :lmao:

The whole concept of QBs being awarded playoff won-loss records is nuts.

Whyjerry · May 6, 2018

Whyjerry said:
No and Drew Brees is and was waaaayyyyyy better than Tony Romo. I know people get all offended on this forum so let me be clear...I love Romo. He was a very good QB. Jerry and that circus ruined his chance to be great. Romo also did a few things himself. This league above all rewards players that do great things in the playoffs. Romo’s Playoff career was next to nothing. Best chance he had was in 2007 and we know what happened there.

G2 · May 6, 2018

DFWJC said:
Like I said, he had great longevity. Impressive.
And he really did have some good plays on both of those playoff run.
Not sure what you mean by Romo not playing like that in post season...he played at least that good in both games in 2014. imo
But whatever. The comment was about Eli, not Romo. no need to jab at Romo.

The thread is about Romo and the HOF, so I like to stick to the topic.
And how was it a jab? It's the truth that some fans refuse to accept. Next I'll be labeled a "hater" because I said something critical.

DFWJC · May 6, 2018

Streetwise said:
The thread is about Romo and the HOF, so I like to stick to the topic.
And how was it a jab? It's the truth that some fans refuse to accept. Next I'll be labeled a "hater" because I said something critical.

You don't think in 2014, when Romo led the NFL in POSTSEASON QB rating, had a game-winning TD drive and pass, no turnovers in two games and very few incompletions at all...did not play well?
Nobody's perfect, but come on. He played really well in both of those games...and that freezing cold road game at Green Bay was no picnic. The pass rush heated up late, yet the only pass to hit the ground the whole second half was overturned Dez catch..

G2 · May 6, 2018

DFWJC said:
You don't think in 2014, when Romo led the NFL in POSTSEASON QB rating, had a game-winning TD drive and pass, no turnovers in two games and very few incompletions at all...did not play well?

Not well enough. But I would never put it all on him or give him all the credit. Sort of like most fans say it was Eli's defense and not him.
2014 was their best chance to move on. Romo played well. But regardless, you conveniently picked the one postseason game he did well in. That one solid performance out of 6 playoff games is not enough to warrant a HOF vote. He's had other opportunities where he didn't capitalize on.

Gemini Dolly · May 6, 2018

Unfortunately, Romo will forever be linked with the reputation that he came up short when it mattered most or something like that.

DFWJC · May 6, 2018

Streetwise said:
Not well enough. But I would never put it all on him or give him all the credit. Sort of like most fans say it was Eli's defense and not him.
2014 was their best chance to move on. Romo played well. But regardless, you conveniently picked the one postseason game he did well in. That one solid performance out of 6 playoff games is not enough to warrant a HOF vote. He's had other opportunities where he didn't capitalize on.

Sure it was well enough.
He was maybe our best player that day...or at least of top 2-3.
See, that tells a lot that you didn't think Romo played well enough for his team to win. 22 starters out there, street.
I guess you could say Flacco, with his all time worst playoff game in NFL history 10 QB rating and 4 completed passes, DID play well enough. Not that the other 21 (or 15, or however may it took to play well) did and that was enough to win...

If a team loses, it doesn't mean every single player didn't play well enough to win. Just not enough of them combined did.

Anyway, we can agree that Romo probably will not be a HOFer. And I have no complaint about that.
As you say, that is the thread topic.

Super_Kazuya · May 6, 2018

Gemini Dolly said:
Unfortunately, Romo will forever be linked with the reputation that he came up short when it mattered most or something like that.

I believe it’s when the lights shine bright or something like that...

Cowboysfan917 · May 6, 2018

kskboys said:
Romo? No. Nice QB, good player, but not the HOF.

IMO, the HOF is for great players. Romo was good.

In this era, I put Brady and PManning in, and maybe Aaron Rodgers, but that's about it. Phillip Rivers was better than Eli, and he should go in before Eli. Bigben is also on the cusp.

Oh, and I might put Brees in based on numbers alone. Dude will retire as the all time passing yds and TD leader if he keeps playing.

Think about his one. Who's better, Stafford or Eli? Did you have to think about it? I did. That says a lot, doesn't it?

My only problem with this logic is Kurt Warner made it in. Yes, he had 3 super bowl appearances and a win but Romo and Rivers did more and even had more starts.

DFWJC · May 6, 2018

Streetwise said:
?...
2014 was their best chance to move on. Romo played well. But regardless, you conveniently picked the one postseason game he did well in. That one solid performance out of 6 playoff games is not enough to warrant a HOF vote. He's had other opportunities where he didn't capitalize on.

I would say he played
--very good to great in 3 playoff games (Philly blowout win, Detroit win, Green Bay loss) and
--well enough with the right bounces (but not great for sure) in two (NYG, Seattle...both one play here or there)
--bad in one ((minn blowout..whole team overmatched..including him)

G2 · May 6, 2018

DFWJC said:
I would say he played
--very good to great in 3 playoff games (Philly blowout win, Detroit win, Green Bay loss) and
--well enough with the right bounces (but not great for sure) in two (NYG, Seattle...both one play here or there)
--bad in one ((minn blowout..whole team overmatched..including him)

Agree to disagree, that's too generous.

Ranching · May 6, 2018

dfense said:
Way too many negative threads lately. So I thought I'd throw my argument out there for some walk on nobody who became a great QB and totally deserves recognition in the HOF.

The true greatness of Tony Romo was never achieved and that is such a travesty. An undrafted player who’s star was so bright for such a short time. There are a lot of great QB’s who have not reached the big game. Even Brett Favre only won one SB in 19 years. Tony played 127 games and is 22nd all time in TDs with 248. That’s a total of just 8 full seasons of games and he’s 22nd all time in TDs!

Comparing his stats with some other notable HOF's that have less TD's than Tony.

Kurt Warner 124 games, 40 less TD's and more picks. Almost 2000 less yards, odd for the greatest show on turf.

Jim Kelly 160 games, 237 TD's, in almost 30 more games than Romo. 175 picks, ouch.

Steve Young 169 games, 232 TD's, only one season over 4000 yards passing, which surprised me.

These guys all played in pass happy offenses. Romo has more TD throws and a higher QB rating than all of them. The big knock is no SB.

Dan Fouts 181 games (14 years) Despite playing in Air Coryell system that has boasted the #1 receiving corp of all time, has only 6 more TD's than Tony, but in 54 more games. 242 picks! twice as many picks. No SB.

Romo has 7000 more yards and 75 more TDs than Joe Namath in less seasons. 50 more TD's than Ken Stabler in 57 less games. If Romo played one more season he would have easily passed Montana in TD's. Montana played 15 years! All these QB’s played in a pass happy system.

If Romo had played as long as Eli or Rivers (13 years) and averaged 31 TDs (average of his last 4 full seasons) (I know, injuries aside). He would project to over 400 TDs.

Who can forget winning on the road in SanFran down 13 in the 4th, comes back and wins, throws for 345 yards with a punctured lung and broken rib.

On the road in Washington, drives for the win in the final minutes with a herniated disc.

Romo has almost 100 more TD's than Roger Staubach. 83 more than Aikman in 38 less games.

Cowboy records: TD’s, yards, TD’s in a season, 300yard games, 3+ TD games. 4th qtr come backs (28) Lowest career interception percentage. 2.6% (how about that?)

NFL records:
4th highest passer rating 97.1
16th all time in 4th quarter comebacks
5th all time in completion percentage.
4th best career passer rating. (Aikman was 54th)
Tied for 5th all time in yards per attempt. (no dinking and dunking)
Romo has a career 40-27 road record. (my personal favorite)
Most consecutive road games with at least 1 TD (41)
Highest QB rating in Dec. 133.7
Highest QB rating in the 4th quarter.
Most games in a season with a passer rating of at least 135.0

All in all Romo holds 22 team and NFL records.

He's fat

Super_Kazuya · May 6, 2018

DFWJC said:
I would say he played
--very good to great in 3 playoff games (Philly blowout win, Detroit win, Green Bay loss) and
--well enough with the right bounces (but not great for sure) in two (NYG, Seattle...both one play here or there)
--bad in one ((minn blowout..whole team overmatched..including him)

People forget how well he played in the 34-7 rout against Philly... arguably his best game. Tony is actually 11th all-time in playoff passer rating, he’s played well overall. When a low IQ troll tries to tell you he’s only had one good playoff game, sometimes you just have to laugh at how pathetically stupid they are.

Wizarus · May 6, 2018

There's no doubt in my mind Romo was an elite QB. He could go toe-to-toe with any QB in this league and give us a reasonable shot at winning. Guy just had bad luck, and I'd hate to say it, but he'd have a ring with another team. He probably will miss the HOF because of it.

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