Tony Romo for HOF

[Wood]

Way too many negative threads lately. So I thought I'd throw my argument out there for some walk on nobody who became a great QB and totally deserves recognition in the HOF.

The true greatness of Tony Romo was never achieved and that is such a travesty. An undrafted player who’s star was so bright for such a short time. There are a lot of great QB’s who have not reached the big game. Even Brett Favre only won one SB in 19 years. Tony played 127 games and is 22nd all time in TDs with 248. That’s a total of just 8 full seasons of games and he’s 22nd all time in TDs!

Comparing his stats with some other notable HOF's that have less TD's than Tony.


Kurt Warner 124 games, 40 less TD's and more picks. Almost 2000 less yards, odd for the greatest show on turf.

Jim Kelly 160 games, 237 TD's, in almost 30 more games than Romo. 175 picks, ouch.

Steve Young 169 games, 232 TD's, only one season over 4000 yards passing, which surprised me.

These guys all played in pass happy offenses. Romo has more TD throws and a higher QB rating than all of them. The big knock is no SB.


Dan Fouts 181 games (14 years) Despite playing in Air Coryell system that has boasted the #1 receiving corp of all time, has only 6 more TD's than Tony, but in 54 more games. 242 picks! twice as many picks. No SB.

Romo has 7000 more yards and 75 more TDs than Joe Namath in less seasons. 50 more TD's than Ken Stabler in 57 less games. If Romo played one more season he would have easily passed Montana in TD's. Montana played 15 years! All these QB’s played in a pass happy system.

If Romo had played as long as Eli or Rivers (13 years) and averaged 31 TDs (average of his last 4 full seasons) (I know, injuries aside). He would project to over 400 TDs.

Who can forget winning on the road in SanFran down 13 in the 4th, comes back and wins, throws for 345 yards with a punctured lung and broken rib.

On the road in Washington, drives for the win in the final minutes with a herniated disc.


Romo has almost 100 more TD's than Roger Staubach. 83 more than Aikman in 38 less games.

Cowboy records: TD’s, yards, TD’s in a season, 300yard games, 3+ TD games. 4th qtr come backs (28) Lowest career interception percentage. 2.6% (how about that?)

NFL records:
4th highest passer rating 97.1
16th all time in 4th quarter comebacks
5th all time in completion percentage.
4th best career passer rating. (Aikman was 54th)
Tied for 5th all time in yards per attempt. (no dinking and dunking)
Romo has a career 40-27 road record. (my personal favorite)
Most consecutive road games with at least 1 TD (41)
Highest QB rating in Dec. 133.7
Highest QB rating in the 4th quarter.
Most games in a season with a passer rating of at least 135.0

All in all Romo holds 22 team and NFL records.

I would vote Romo onto all-world class team. But HOF....no.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Would Eli make it because of the SB's?

 

[OmerV]

Would Eli make it because of the SB's?

Eli also has big career numbers, so yes, he will make it.

 

[Skillit]

I like be Tony—I’d do it all over again with him (although I’d try to support him better), but HOF?

No.

 

[G2]

Would Eli make it because of the SB's?

Eli also has big career numbers, so yes, he will make it.

Stats are up there. Missed one start in 13 seasons and that wasn't from injury, his idiot HC pulled him.

 

[Whyjerry]

So is Jim Kelly better than, I don’t know... Drew Brees?

No and Drew Brees is and was waaaayyyyyy better than Tony Romo. I know people get all offended on this forum so let me be clear...I love Romo. He was a very good QB. Jerry and that circus ruined his chance to be great. Romo also did a few things himself. This league above all rewards players that do great things in the playoffs. Romo’s Playoff career was net to nothing. Best chance he had was in 2007 and we know what happened there.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

No and Drew Brees is and was waaaayyyyyy better than Tony Romo. I know people get all offended on this forum so let me be clear...I love Romo. He was a very good QB. Jerry and that circus ruined his chance to be great. Romo also did a few things himself. This league above all rewards players that do great things in the playoffs. Romo’s Playoff career was net to nothing. Best chance he had was in 2007 and we know what happened there.

But if Jim Kelly played in four Super Bowls and Drew Brees played in one, then why is Drew Brees better? Is it because he won? What if Jim Kelly played in 6 Super Bowls? Who is better, Marcus Mariota or James Winston. Neither have any playoff wins, so I guess your brain will throw an exception, there’s no way to compare the two.
I was just curious if there was some magical formula that you are relying on or you just another dc.com short bus guy running your mouth. I’m pretty sure we all know the answer.

LOL... I did forget Mariota did win a playoff game last year. Substitute Jared Goff or someone.

 

[OmerV]

So is Jim Kelly better than, I don’t know... Drew Brees?

Drew Brees has career numbers that are dramatically better than Romo, and has a Super Bowl win, so comparisons between Brees and Kelly are not the same as between Romo and Kelly. Bree’s will be in the HOF as soon as he’s eligible.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Drew Brees has career numbers that are dramatically better than Romo, and has a Super Bowl win, so comparisons between Brees and Kelly are not the same as between Romo and Kelly. Bree’s will be in the HOF as soon as he’s eligible.

Nobody was talking about HOF, the question was who was better. Everyone knows Brees is going to the HOF. And Brees does not have better career numbers than Romo, he has better career totals, which happens when you throw the ball every down. He has been no more effective at carrying bad teams than Romo has, as the three straight years of 7 wins from 2014-2016 showed. As soon as the Saints became a top ten defense again, the Saints were back in the playoffs.

 

[G2]

Brees is an elite QB, Romo just was not.

• Super Bowl champion (XLIV)
• Super Bowl MVP (XLIV)
• 11× Pro Bowl (2004, 2006, 2008–2014, 2016, 2017)
• 3× First-team All-Pro (2006, 2008, 2009)
• Second-team All-Pro (2011)
• 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2008, 2011)
• Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2010)
• Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year (2010)
• Bert Bell Award (2009)
• Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year (2006)
• NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2004)
• 7× NFL passing yards leader (2006, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2014–2016)
• 4× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2008, 2009, 2011, 2012)
• NFL passer rating leader (2009)
• Maxwell Award (2000)
• 2× Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year (1998, 2000)

NFL records

• 66.9 career completion percentage
• 72.0 single-season completion percentage
• 7 touchdown passes in a game (tied)
• 54 consecutive games with a touchdown pass

 

[OmerV]

Nobody was talking about HOF, the question was who was better. Everyone knows Brees is going to the HOF. And Brees does not have better career numbers than Romo, he has better career totals, which happens when you throw the ball every down. He has been no more effective at carrying bad teams than Romo has, as the three straight years of 7 wins from 2014-2016 showed. As soon as the Saints became a top ten defense again, the Saints were back in the playoffs.

Maybe this is a side discussion within this thread and I didn’t read back enough to get the context. My mistake.

I will disagree on one point though. Bree’s does have better career numbers. And it’s not just totals - although totals matter too because the fact Brees played at an elite level for more years than Romo did is relevant. But Brees also averages 283 yards per game to Romo’s 219, and 2 TDs per game to Romo’s 1.6. The only number Romo has over Brees is QB rating, and that’s just barely.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Maybe this is a side discussion within this thread and I didn’t read back enough to get the context. My mistake.

I will disagree on one point though. Bree’s does have better career numbers. And it’s not just totals - although totals matter too because the fact Brees played at an elite level for more years than Romo did is relevant. But Brees also averages 283 yards per game to Romo’s 219, and 2 TDs per game to Romo’s 1.6. The only number Romo has over Brees is QB rating, and that’s just barely.

A lot of people make this mistake, but Tony’s numbers on pro football reference are wrong. This is because they count his time on the bench as games played, even though he did not throw a pass. It’s because technically he was the holder and did appear.
Again, Drew Brees has better totals but not better numbers than Tony. They are almost identical from a performance perspective. Tony has a better passer rating, a better yards per attempt, better adjusted net yards per attempt, a better touchdown percentage. All slight. Brees has a better completion percentage and a better interception percentage, also slight.

 

[Whyjerry]

But if Jim Kelly played in four Super Bowls and Drew Brees played in one, then why is Drew Brees better? Is it because he won? What if Jim Kelly played in 6 Super Bowls? Who is better, Marcus Mariota or James Winston. Neither have any playoff wins, so I guess your brain will throw an exception, there’s no way to compare the two.
I was just curious if there was some magical formula that you are relying on or you just another dc.com short bus guy running your mouth. I’m pretty sure we all know the answer.

LOL... I did forget Mariota did win a playoff game last year. Substitute Jared Goff or someone.

Whatever. You are right Tony Romo is the best. Now go get yourself an ice cream.

 

[OmerV]

A lot of people make this mistake, but Tony’s numbers on pro football reference are wrong. This is because they count his time on the bench as games played, even though he did not throw a pass. It’s because technically he was the holder and did appear.
Again, Drew Brees has better totals but not better numbers than Tony. They are almost identical from a performance perspective. Tony has a better passer rating, a better yards per attempt, better adjusted net yards per attempt, a better touchdown percentage. All slight. Brees has a better completion percentage and a better interception percentage, also slight.

That makes sense. I was shocked when I saw the 219. I should have known better and questioned it. Based on this info, I’ll concede the averages are close enough that differences aren’t significant. I do, however, say that career totals (which are career numbers) are a fair points of evaluation, because we are, after all, comparing careers. In that context, the ability to sustain excellence over a longer period is a valid point to consider.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I love Romo but I don't think you make the HOF as a QB without having more post season success.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

Some more facts stolen from a friend who has been making a case for Romo to the hall:

“
Quarterbacks with at least 120 starts (7.5 seasons) with a win pct of 60 or higher since the merger:
1 Stabler (HOF)
2 Staubach (HOF)
3 Montana (HOF)
4 Unitas (HOF)
5 Elway (HOF)
6 Young (HOF)
7 Marino (HOF)
8 Favre (HOF)
9 Kelly (HOF)
10 Bradshaw (HOF)
11 Griese (HOF)
12 Starr (HOF)
13 Brady *
14 P. Manning *
15 Rodgers *
16 Roethlisberger *
17 Romo *
18 Ryan *
19 Cunningham
20 McNabb
* = not yet eligible for Hall of Fame induction
I calculated their win pct AND (most importantly) the team's win pct without them. Typically if the team had a win pct of 48% or higher without the starting qb they won a SB (minus Marino, Kelly, Cunningham, McNabb). Win percentages of less than 16 games dont count cause that's too short of a time period. Of all of these players, only one player's team had a win pct of less than 30% without him...Tony Romo. To drag a team that is that far down without u up to this list is remarkable. This is why I am fighting for his induction when he's eligible. This is a pretty elite list. If your team can be above .500 without u, you have no excuse not to have a ring. Some of these qbs underachieved in that aspect and still got inducted. For the record Brady, Manning, Montana and Staubach were all above 70%. Brady was highest at 78 . Kurt Warner played this long and is in the Hall. I figured I'd start at 120.”

 

[Cowboysfan917]

My friend continued with this:
“
AMAZING POST PART I

Passing Era from 1983 - 1998
Requirement to make this list:
140 td passes
4 Pro Bowls
1 All Pro Selection

Back then there were multiple news organizations voting for All Pro and MVP (see 98' with Cunningham and Davis or 90' with Cunningham and Moon). A lot of qbs back then had multiple 1st and 2nd team All Pros. 4 qbs in a year could get voted vs 2 nowadays. Till 95' there were 28 teams in the league. That's 4 less qbs per year to compete with. In a 10 year career that's 40 less qbs than now. 6 Super Bowl Champions didn't make the cut.
* = HOF
Montana*
Elway*
Young*
Aikman*
Esiason
Cunningham
Moon*
Kelly*
Favre*
Marino*

8 out of these 10 made the Hall of Fame. Dan Fouts retired in 87 but obviously he qualifies. I was putting who earned these awards / tds in the 83-98' era. CLEARLY THIS ISN'T MISLEADING so let me next post the 1999-2014 era.

AMAZING POST PART II

If anyone wants to argue if Romo is ELITE or deserves to be in the HOF, all I need to do is present this. For the record, in the divisional playoff games ALL of the other teams (in their SB years) either forced multiple turnovers or held the opponent to 20 pts or less. Romo's team forced 1 turnover in 3 games. EVERY Super Bowl winning team in HISTORY in the Divisional Round has either held it's opponent to 20 pts or less or forced multiple turnovers. In 3 tries, Romo's defense did neither. They were NEVER a SB team. End of discussion.

If you haven't read part 1 yet PLEASE DO! From 1999-2014 was the height of the passing era. Passing numbers went up. I adjusted for that from the part one list. There were LESS organizations voting for All Pro and MVP than in the 80's / 90's. News Enterprise Association for example stopped in 2008. To make this list you must have ALL of the listed requirements here. EVERY HOF QB has at least one All Pro / All NFL selection. With the NFL growing from 28 to 32 teams, there's 4 more qbs to compete with each year for All Pro / MVP and less news organizations (News Enterprise Association stopped voting in 08) to vote you All Pro. In the 90's 4 qbs in 1 year could earn All Pro. Now it's 2.

From 1999-2014:
200 passing touchdowns
4 Pro Bowls
1 1st or 2nd Team All Pro Selection

* = Hall of Fame
Warner*
Favre*
Brady
P. Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Romo
“

 

[CowboyRoy]

Way too many negative threads lately. So I thought I'd throw my argument out there for some walk on nobody who became a great QB and totally deserves recognition in the HOF.

The true greatness of Tony Romo was never achieved and that is such a travesty. An undrafted player who’s star was so bright for such a short time. There are a lot of great QB’s who have not reached the big game. Even Brett Favre only won one SB in 19 years. Tony played 127 games and is 22nd all time in TDs with 248. That’s a total of just 8 full seasons of games and he’s 22nd all time in TDs!

Comparing his stats with some other notable HOF's that have less TD's than Tony.


Kurt Warner 124 games, 40 less TD's and more picks. Almost 2000 less yards, odd for the greatest show on turf.

Jim Kelly 160 games, 237 TD's, in almost 30 more games than Romo. 175 picks, ouch.

Steve Young 169 games, 232 TD's, only one season over 4000 yards passing, which surprised me.

These guys all played in pass happy offenses. Romo has more TD throws and a higher QB rating than all of them. The big knock is no SB.


Dan Fouts 181 games (14 years) Despite playing in Air Coryell system that has boasted the #1 receiving corp of all time, has only 6 more TD's than Tony, but in 54 more games. 242 picks! twice as many picks. No SB.

Romo has 7000 more yards and 75 more TDs than Joe Namath in less seasons. 50 more TD's than Ken Stabler in 57 less games. If Romo played one more season he would have easily passed Montana in TD's. Montana played 15 years! All these QB’s played in a pass happy system.

If Romo had played as long as Eli or Rivers (13 years) and averaged 31 TDs (average of his last 4 full seasons) (I know, injuries aside). He would project to over 400 TDs.

Who can forget winning on the road in SanFran down 13 in the 4th, comes back and wins, throws for 345 yards with a punctured lung and broken rib.

On the road in Washington, drives for the win in the final minutes with a herniated disc.


Romo has almost 100 more TD's than Roger Staubach. 83 more than Aikman in 38 less games.

Cowboy records: TD’s, yards, TD’s in a season, 300yard games, 3+ TD games. 4th qtr come backs (28) Lowest career interception percentage. 2.6% (how about that?)

NFL records:
4th highest passer rating 97.1
16th all time in 4th quarter comebacks
5th all time in completion percentage.
4th best career passer rating. (Aikman was 54th)
Tied for 5th all time in yards per attempt. (no dinking and dunking)
Romo has a career 40-27 road record. (my personal favorite)
Most consecutive road games with at least 1 TD (41)
Highest QB rating in Dec. 133.7
Highest QB rating in the 4th quarter.
Most games in a season with a passer rating of at least 135.0

All in all Romo holds 22 team and NFL records.

Yah, sorry. Romo is just going to be one of those guys that just never gets in. One playoff win isn't going to get you in the HOF. Or is it two? Either way. He could have easily been had he played for just about any other franchise. Tony Romo is probably one of the biggest waste of talents we will ever see. If had played for a legitimate franchise he could have been one of the best. Playing most of his career with a bad defense, no running game, a poor Oline and horrid coaching. The poor guy. One of my favorite Cowboys of all time.

 

[G2]

My friend continued with this:
“
AMAZING POST PART I

Passing Era from 1983 - 1998
Requirement to make this list:
140 td passes
4 Pro Bowls
1 All Pro Selection

Back then there were multiple news organizations voting for All Pro and MVP (see 98' with Cunningham and Davis or 90' with Cunningham and Moon). A lot of qbs back then had multiple 1st and 2nd team All Pros. 4 qbs in a year could get voted vs 2 nowadays. Till 95' there were 28 teams in the league. That's 4 less qbs per year to compete with. In a 10 year career that's 40 less qbs than now. 6 Super Bowl Champions didn't make the cut.
* = HOF
Montana*
Elway*
Young*
Aikman*
Esiason
Cunningham
Moon*
Kelly*
Favre*
Marino*

8 out of these 10 made the Hall of Fame. Dan Fouts retired in 87 but obviously he qualifies. I was putting who earned these awards / tds in the 83-98' era. CLEARLY THIS ISN'T MISLEADING so let me next post the 1999-2014 era.

AMAZING POST PART II

If anyone wants to argue if Romo is ELITE or deserves to be in the HOF, all I need to do is present this. For the record, in the divisional playoff games ALL of the other teams (in their SB years) either forced multiple turnovers or held the opponent to 20 pts or less. Romo's team forced 1 turnover in 3 games. EVERY Super Bowl winning team in HISTORY in the Divisional Round has either held it's opponent to 20 pts or less or forced multiple turnovers. In 3 tries, Romo's defense did neither. They were NEVER a SB team. End of discussion.

If you haven't read part 1 yet PLEASE DO! From 1999-2014 was the height of the passing era. Passing numbers went up. I adjusted for that from the part one list. There were LESS organizations voting for All Pro and MVP than in the 80's / 90's. News Enterprise Association for example stopped in 2008. To make this list you must have ALL of the listed requirements here. EVERY HOF QB has at least one All Pro / All NFL selection. With the NFL growing from 28 to 32 teams, there's 4 more qbs to compete with each year for All Pro / MVP and less news organizations (News Enterprise Association stopped voting in 08) to vote you All Pro. In the 90's 4 qbs in 1 year could earn All Pro. Now it's 2.

From 1999-2014:
200 passing touchdowns
4 Pro Bowls
1 1st or 2nd Team All Pro Selection

* = Hall of Fame
Warner*
Favre*
Brady
P. Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Romo
“

Unfortunately, there are too many QBs in Romo's era that are much more accomplished than Romo.

 

[DuDa]

Way too many negative threads lately. So I thought I'd throw my argument out there for some walk on nobody who became a great QB and totally deserves recognition in the HOF.

The true greatness of Tony Romo was never achieved and that is such a travesty. An undrafted player who’s star was so bright for such a short time. There are a lot of great QB’s who have not reached the big game. Even Brett Favre only won one SB in 19 years. Tony played 127 games and is 22nd all time in TDs with 248. That’s a total of just 8 full seasons of games and he’s 22nd all time in TDs!

Comparing his stats with some other notable HOF's that have less TD's than Tony.


Kurt Warner 124 games, 40 less TD's and more picks. Almost 2000 less yards, odd for the greatest show on turf.

Jim Kelly 160 games, 237 TD's, in almost 30 more games than Romo. 175 picks, ouch.

Steve Young 169 games, 232 TD's, only one season over 4000 yards passing, which surprised me.

These guys all played in pass happy offenses. Romo has more TD throws and a higher QB rating than all of them. The big knock is no SB.


Dan Fouts 181 games (14 years) Despite playing in Air Coryell system that has boasted the #1 receiving corp of all time, has only 6 more TD's than Tony, but in 54 more games. 242 picks! twice as many picks. No SB.

Romo has 7000 more yards and 75 more TDs than Joe Namath in less seasons. 50 more TD's than Ken Stabler in 57 less games. If Romo played one more season he would have easily passed Montana in TD's. Montana played 15 years! All these QB’s played in a pass happy system.

If Romo had played as long as Eli or Rivers (13 years) and averaged 31 TDs (average of his last 4 full seasons) (I know, injuries aside). He would project to over 400 TDs.

Who can forget winning on the road in SanFran down 13 in the 4th, comes back and wins, throws for 345 yards with a punctured lung and broken rib.

On the road in Washington, drives for the win in the final minutes with a herniated disc.


Romo has almost 100 more TD's than Roger Staubach. 83 more than Aikman in 38 less games.

Cowboy records: TD’s, yards, TD’s in a season, 300yard games, 3+ TD games. 4th qtr come backs (28) Lowest career interception percentage. 2.6% (how about that?)

NFL records:
4th highest passer rating 97.1
16th all time in 4th quarter comebacks
5th all time in completion percentage.
4th best career passer rating. (Aikman was 54th)
Tied for 5th all time in yards per attempt. (no dinking and dunking)
Romo has a career 40-27 road record. (my personal favorite)
Most consecutive road games with at least 1 TD (41)
Highest QB rating in Dec. 133.7
Highest QB rating in the 4th quarter.
Most games in a season with a passer rating of at least 135.0

All in all Romo holds 22 team and NFL records.

What do Romo’s numbers look like compared to Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees etc.?