How the Rams got 270 yards

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Roland said:
Well, this certainly explains how they blew us up so bad. I just could not understand how we were being so dominated. If we could of only realized that they had figured something out on us, even at half time. Make some kind of adjustment (line up straight up, anything). I blame our coaching here for not realizing that something was amiss. you can't really blame this on the players so much, IMO. A change at halftime could have saved this game. The questions is, do you blame the HC or the DC for this, or both!
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Thanks for reading prior to posting. I think the blame is sqaurely on Marinelli. The DL is his area of expertise and he's been doing it a long time. As someone else said earlier in the thread, it is a failure to self-scout. If McVay could find this studying film, how do we not?
 
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Future said:
The Cowboys have said over and over and over and over again that they don't try to trick anybody, just line up and win.

Its referenced more with the offense, but the defense is the same too. It is supposed to be simple.
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A stunt or blitz works if it has the element of surprise if not them you are subjecting your defense to some big plays. Stunts take assets from one part of the field and place them other parts, if I know that the DE is coming to the inside of the Dtackle then I could run right at the position that he came from also blocking the dtackle to the inside.
 
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birdwells1 said:
A stunt or blitz works if it has the element of surprise if not them you are subjecting your defense to some big plays. Stunts take assets from one part of the field and place them other parts, if I know that the DE is coming to the inside of the Dtackle then I could run right at the position that he came from also blocking the dtackle to the inside.
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Bingo. And run some faux jets sweeps to freeze the linebackers.
 
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Philmonroe said:
Goto 15 minutes in if you want to know how Dallas could've attacked it differently.
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right, I saw this the other day and though it was pretty impressive breakdown. I am also refrring to the idea the we were "telling" out plays
 
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Sydla said:
We now know how the Rams got 270 yards on us.

We had the wrong cleats.

So says Jerry.
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That's always been characteristic of the Coliseum field, and you can see Dallas players slipping all over the place in the Youtube vid of the 1978 NFC Chamionship game.

The slippery field was also widely discussed in the week before the game.
 
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atlantacowboy said:
Absolutely, but there is a reason they beat us so badly. Don't you think its kinda odd that we shut down the league's top running attack in Seattle and then go to LA and give up 273? Well, they ran so well b/c they knew where the holes where going to open up in the DL. Goff would stand under center and litterally watch the jumbotron for 10-15 seconds waiting for the "tell" and would then make the adjustment to exploit what he just learned. Gurley averaged about 5.5 yards before first contact and so did CJ Anderson. If you know that the right DE is stunting in pre-snap, for example, the game is a lot easier.

Don't take my word for it. This is what the Rams are saying. Its pretty stunning.
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It's also been said that Mcvay talks to Goff through the headset telling him how the defense is lining up, he's allowed to do this up until the last 15 seconds of the play clock
 
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percyhoward said:
That's always been characteristic of the Coliseum field, and you can see Dallas players slipping all over the place in the Youtube vid of the 1978 NFC Chamionship game.

The slippery field was also widely discussed in the week before the game.
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You can't blame the slippery field b/c both teams had to play on it.
 
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atlantacowboy said:
You can't blame the slippery field b/c both teams had to play on it.
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My point is that you can't blame having the wrong cleats on not expecting a slippery field. The condition of the field was and is well known and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

I'm assuming Jerry's story would be that the Rams are familiar with their home field and were wearing the right cleats, but that's all just an excuse for getting outplayed -- and worse, outsmarted.
 

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atlantacowboy said:
Dude, just read what the Rams OL is saying. The fake Jets sweeps were just a diversion for the LBs. They ran up the gut all night. Thats where they had their success. Gurley averaged 5.5 yards before first contact. That is insane.
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Sometimes on CZ you have to repeat yourself 10 times for people to understand the obvious points your trying to make lol
 

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MCMetal69 said:
Another example of how and why this entire coaching staff needs to be jettisoned ; there is enough talent there pretty much every season , yet the ceiling will always be the divisional round because of the lack of foresight , creativity and simple intelligence of the coaches..............

The Eagles came in against the Saints with an obviously different game plan than when they got blown out in their previous meeting , and they too , like us , had only a week to prepare......................And except for a missed catch might be playing again in the NFC championship game................
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Like i sais we are a divisional round team until Garrett is gone or an OC can run his plays
 

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its funny how atlantacowboy is trying to use quotes from th Rams O line and people still can't seem to grasp what it means lol
 
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This is why coaches like Parcels and other greats were back in the clubhouse watching film at 3am on Monday mornings. Coaches will watch each play on average, 74 times. Why? Because they have checklist to go through and one of those is discovering tells and other cues that an apposing team might uncover. It's ok to have tells, but you need to mix them up, hence keeping your opponent guessing. Obviously we didn't do that. The Rams had two weeks to prepare.

If you watch many of the running plays, it wasn"t so much they were blasting us off the line, it was more opposed directional running. You can actually use the defensive guy in front of you's momentum to just nudge him the way you already know he's going, and bam, you back blasts right through. You don;t even have to really fight the defender. Our D-line stunting left, they slide just right and so on. So yeah, I fully believe this story. Nobody runs on the Cowboys front 7 like that. Nobody! We got out smarted by a relatively easy tactic too.
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I posted a clip of some of their runs....we left both of their guards...uncovered. Saffold and Blyth were free to get to the second level all night long....practically untouched. No wonder our LBers were getting slaughtered. Rams were basically running a form of the old school counter tre...w/ the TE coming across the formation...sealing the backside. The one thing I want to know is why did we line up our other DT outside of the guards??? Practically head up on the left tackle. I mean we practically parted our defense for them. :rolleyes:
 
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Rayman70 said:
they gutted the interior of our dline with motion and raw size and power. There was no stopping it.
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All we had to do was line up our DTs head up on their guards...and keep them from getting a free run @ our LBers. And get out of the nickle package...and go w/ a 4-3.
 

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I posted a clip of some of their runs....we left both of their guards...uncovered. Saffold and Blyth were free to get to the second level all night long....practically untouched. No wonder our LBers were getting slaughtered. Rams were basically running a form of the old school counter tre...w/ the TE coming across the formation...sealing the backside. The one thing I want to know is why did we line up our other DT outside of the guards??? Practically head up on the left tackle. I mean we practically parted our defense for them. :rolleyes:
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Well here is the thing...lining up in that form is good when the defense doesn't know if you're going to run a stunt, a crossover or whatever. The point being, the Rams knew what we were going to run, as they noted cues. They were perfect in guessing what was coming. So for their blocking assignments? Really wren't even blocking, just simply nudge the Cowboys defender the way he is already going and walla, a wide open lane your grandmother could run through.

It is almost like cheating, only technically it's not. If you know your opponents predictable tells and cues? Well who wouldn't take advantage of that? Nobody and I mean nobody was good enough to run against our front seven for 270 yards. Not possible. Why one of the coordinators did not pickup on what was happening is beyond me! Or maybe they knew, the Rams seemingly knew, but could not connect the dots as to how.
 
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I mean to be fair, how can we expect the Cowboys defend to defend against modern misdirection concepts when they never see them when scrimmaging against the Cowboys offense?
 

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So, we got owned and they knew what was coming.

You know, either way, it's on Rod. Either for not seeing that they knew our calls, or for not building a playoffs quality DL.
 
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