What the last 23 years has done to our fan base

TwentyOne · Feb 13, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
I'm like Charlton Heston "I'll stop watching football when they pry the remote from my cold lifeless hands"

Haha!

Ok.

Well i write alot, but i guess in the end i will be the same. Just love the game.too mucho.

northerncowboynation · Feb 13, 2019

Paradox said:
Jerry was always a risk taker. By 1997, he felt his risk taking paid off. After all, he was a billionaire, owned an NFL franchise, and won three super bowls with two different coaches. His bold moves paid off. So he stubbornly stuck to his ways for another two decades.

But at least now he realizes many of his errors and has corrected them (namely team building). His greatest mistake is his inability to realize that coaching makes all the difference on talented teams, and his hand picked genius can't make in-game adjustments. So I believe this is the last year for JG and then he's going to get another coach because he's tired of losing too. For some reason, people think he just bathes in money and loves nothing but money, but people who know him say he just wants to win. And it's easy to see if you are paying attention.

I think the team is on the right track after going in the wrong direction for 25 years or so, and I'm not apologizing for being a crazed optimist in a fan base who are raising their pitch forks for the 27th time.

I agree. I think this is JG's last season if we don't go to the NFC Championship game. The writing is on the wall. However, making it to the NFC Championship game will not stop the cry for JG's firing on here and it doesn't matter one bit what the call is for on here. It's up to Jerry to make the call and it could be an extension with an NFC Championship appearance. Yep, that will hide the pitchforks for sure

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
Herein lies the paradox, Paradox. Jerry used HIS money to bail the team out of the money bleed that was happening under the Murchesons , as I understand it. A league full of owners that wanted his money to save the flagship from sinking, didn't want his money to buy any player he wanted. FA was the answer for the NFL to prevent that while adding security for the players in terms of bigger money. The league got their way. Jerry saved the team and the league saved the NFL from Jerry. Imagine if FA never happened. What does the NFL look like today?

Jerry bailed out Bum Bright ,who was going thru bankruptcy , the current owner who had bought it from the Murchisons years earlier.

Jerry actually had the lowest bid. Other bids were from Dr Jerry Buss, Lakers owner and Donald Carter the Mavericks original owner but Bum chose Jerry cause he knew Jerry would fire Landry who he had a hardon for.

Under the agreement Bum signed when he bought the Cowboys from Murchison he agreed to let Tex make all football decisions and Tex refused to fire Tom.

Jerry also offered cash which meant for a speedy process to satisfy Bums bankruptcy needs whereas the Laker and Maverick owners would have needed time to sell their majority stakes in their NBA franchises.

Jerry becoming our owner is really all on Bum and his selfish needs and vendettas. We should have known an Aggie would screw up the Dallas Cowboys.

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
I agree. I think this is JG's last season if we don't go to the NFC Championship game. The writing is on the wall. However, making it to the NFC Championship game will not stop the cry for JG's firing on here and it doesn't matter one bit what the call is for on here. It's up to Jerry to make the call and it could be an extension with an NFC Championship appearance. Yep, that will hide the pitchforks for sure

I seriously doubt there is an ultimatum on this season. But let’s assume there is and Garrett comes up short like he did this year.

What hope do we have Jerry will find another puppet who’s been as successful as Garrett which could be 4 division titles in 6 years?

Is Jerry going to all of a sudden give up his stranglehold on Cowboys Football? Is he going to bring in a legit hire and let him surround himself with his own coaches and oversee personnel?

Basically after investing everything he has in Garrett , Jerry is going to give up his pursuit to prove he can build and win a championship without a proven HC?

Buzzbait · Feb 13, 2019

Idgit said:
Rarely is anybody ripped for not being a cheerleader or not drinking koolaid. But the incessant whining is ridiculous. And 23 years with no championship is not an excuse for it. I wouldn’t tolerate it from my kids, so why would I give the benefit of the doubt for it to a bunch of grown *** men on the internet? Because they’d disappointed in the outcome of a game? Please.

And so it starts again. Those who disagree are "whining." Just another favorite way of throwing a negative at anyone who disagrees.

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

TwentyOne said:
What is more frustrating to me is the way the NFL treats the sport.

For them its just meaningless product they try to sell. Sooo many ad breaks. No game flow anymore.

The way of watching the game for me hanged. I dont sit at the tv the whole time anymore. I wash dishes, make food, organise my work etc... when something happens i look at the tv. Cadual watching.

But i love the game! I dont want to watch casually!

They destroyed the game because they want to earn money. Its so frustrating and i think i gonna stop watching football in the long run.

Sorry if its a bit OT.

Jerry led the way in guaranteeing that success on the field wasn’t needed to make money.

The NFL has become the only league where all teams make money. Success on the field isn’t as critical. Sure, it can help. This has been Jerry’s major contribution. The stadium sponsorship which isn’t shared with the players set the tone.

It was a brilliant maneuver as well as the Salary Cap which limits or fixes the payroll. Then throw in the new network, NFL, additional games on Thursday and Sunday Night, the NFL Sunday Ticket, new blackout rules, new stadiums , PSL’s and it’s become the greatest Sports Entertainment entity in the world.

Glitter without Glory. Brilliant!!!

Sydla · Feb 13, 2019

Buzzbait said:
And so it starts again. Those who disagree are "whining." Just another way of throwing a negative at anyone who disagrees.

And yes, in the sports world, 23 years where we've seen 4 playoff wins total is more than an excuse for the constant criticism. This franchise has been one of the bottom third franchise in the NFL over that period.

The Dallas Cowboys. Bottom third. For two decades. But yeah, you know what, people shouldn't criticize them constantly. LOL.

Idgit · Feb 13, 2019

Buzzbait said:
And so it starts again. Those who disagree are "whining." Just another way of throwing a negative at anyone who disagrees.

No. Those who whine are whining. Those who disagree and express themselves without whining are not whining. It’s not really that difficult to recognize the difference.

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

Sydla said:
And yes, in the sports world, 23 years where we've seen 4 playoff wins total is more than an excuse for the constant criticism. This franchise has been one of the bottom third franchise in the NFL over that period.

The Dallas Cowboys. Bottom third. For two decades. But yeah, you know what, people shouldn't criticize them constantly. LOL.

23 years isn’t nothing. Saints waited 43 years. Patriots and Steelers about 40 years for a championship. Teams like Browns and Lions never seen a Super Bowl.

Check back in another 20-30 years and we’ll have cleaned out the first two generations of Cowboy fans who grew up with championships and our glory years will be ancient history. The fans who hopped on our wagon will be dead and gone.

Hopefully by then we’ll lose the America’s Team horrible label and all the fans it attracted and become another regional or local team again. There’s always a silver lining to lack of success.

I yearn for the franchise I grew up with before we’d ever had a winning season or been to a Super Bowl. Those were the best days in 60’s and early 70’s. We were just the Dallas Cowboys.

BenTramer · Feb 13, 2019

Buzzbait said:
And so it starts again. Those who disagree are "whining." Just another favorite way of throwing a negative at anyone who disagrees.

And he is in the minority on Garrett simply because he actually thinks he is smarter than everyone else on this board.

Redball Express · Feb 13, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
I don't know why it bothers or perturbs anyone that fans have lowered their expectations or can even speak for the entire fan base. I've been a fan since the late sixties, have seen 5 SB wins and 7 appearances. I expect to see another. Have I lowered my expectations? I did during the dismal early 2000's but still believe I'll see another. Yes it's unfortunate to be a fan who has never seen 1 let alone 5. Still, they could pick a different team to watch and follow. Choices right. Heck if you live in Texas you could actually be a Texans fan and keep it in state.

Part of the joy of life is not knowing what the future holds, for anything in fact. I do know this, to give up and not have hope for what lies ahead, for anything including football, must be a horrible way to live. Not expounding the virtues of the Jones' one bit but neither do I hold them responsible for no SB rings since the 90's. I don't need to blame anyone in fact. If I want to blame anyone it would be myself for being a fan of this bunch.

BTW, I'm a life long fan of the Boston Red Sox who lived in abject poverty from the early 1900's until the 2000's. Believe me that's far more impoverished than the Cowboys. Also a fan of the 76'ers in b'ball who have won nothing since the 80's but I see another championship coming. Same goes for the Blackhawks in hockey. No Stanley cups from the 60's until the 2000's and then 3. I guess I root for the underdog. Since the start of the 2000's the Cowboys have been the under dogs in everyones minds but the fans. My suggestion would be for some to change their mindset or change teams. It's all about the choices

Bravo brother.

Enjoyed it

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

Sydla said:
And yes, in the sports world, 23 years where we've seen 4 playoff wins total is more than an excuse for the constant criticism. This franchise has been one of the bottom third franchise in the NFL over that period.

The Dallas Cowboys. Bottom third. For two decades. But yeah, you know what, people shouldn't criticize them constantly. LOL.

Considering we have an idiot owner who insist on playing fantasy football being GM meddling with his puppet for HC , it’s actually amazing we’re competitive at all. I’m thankful we have 16 meaningful games.

The rest of the league or at least the other 20 teams who didn’t make the playoffs should be ashamed because they’re actually doing everything within their power to win.

Redball Express · Feb 13, 2019

Blackrain said:
I agree that we are going in a much better direction . It took a while but we have changed our plan and decide Oline is actually important unfortunately for Tony it was after his back was shot . We started to build the team more logical and stopped overpaying injured veterans . All this helping to avoid the NFL purgatory of 8-8 that we were mired in for a time .

Some of Jerrys gambles are paying off Jaylon , Gregory and Cooper as of late and we hired Richards who made an impact while getting rid of one that was handicapping us . Its also nice to be able to build a team while many players are not breaking the bank unfortunately that window is closing fast .

Kraft , Belichick and Brady are at the top of the NFL mountain in EXPERIANCE and talent at there positions . Can we acquire enough talent to offset the gap that exists between our key players in the puzzle and those on top the mountain before we have to pay everyone and lose talent .

The answer may lay in the hands of Jerrys latest Gamble Kellen Moore . If his Talent can get another TD a game out of this offense while our defense stays as strong as last year it could give us a punchers chance to go farther . That is provide we draft and use our cap space to also get the 3 things we need . Giant run stopping DT Safety and legit TE in that order .

We have a young team that should get better in the off season and some players could emerge and surprise us and there is the slim possibility Irving gets his life squared away and helps us .
All that said next year is the year IMO to pull the stops out and make the big push to get it done before we have to pay everyone

I can't remember the last time I read such complete thoughts on a thread

Good work guys

G2 · Feb 13, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Considering we have an idiot owner who insist on playing fantasy football being GM meddling with his puppet for HC , it’s actually amazing we’re competitive at all. I’m thankful we have 16 meaningful games.

The rest of the league or at least the other 20 teams who didn’t make the playoffs should be ashamed because they’re actually doing everything within their power to win.

I invite you to do what Jones has done for the franchise and NFL before you anonymously call people idiots.
The idea that he's a master meddler and we have a puppet HC and yet are competitive sort of voids you claims.
The team is better than you realize and the NFL as a whole in terms of competitiveness is also much closer.

northerncowboynation · Feb 13, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I seriously doubt there is an ultimatum on this season. But let’s assume there is and Garrett comes up short like he did this year.

What hope do we have Jerry will find another puppet who’s been as successful as Garrett which could be 4 division titles in 6 years?

Is Jerry going to all of a sudden give up his stranglehold on Cowboys Football? Is he going to bring in a legit hire and let him surround himself with his own coaches and oversee personnel?

Basically after investing everything he has in Garrett , Jerry is going to give up his pursuit to prove he can build and win a championship without a proven HC?

Your guess is as good as mine

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
Your guess is as good as mine

It appears short sighted to claim action without sensible solutions in place.

Wanting Garrett fired is only good action if we have a better replacement.

It seems a reasonable inquiry to ask what other puppets we’d want or why Jerry would finally give up control to attract greater prospects ?

northerncowboynation · Feb 13, 2019

Diehardblues said:
It appears short sighted to claim action without sensible solutions in place.

Wanting Garrett fired is only good action if we have a better replacement.

It seems a reasonable inquiry to ask what other puppets we’d want or why Jerry would finally give up control to attract greater prospects ?

I didn't say I wanted JG fired. I said that will be the outcome without an NFC championship appearance in 2019. I should have said, that could be the outcome. Could always leaves some wiggle room.Just an opinion. In no way fact. I know his contract hasn't been extended past 2019 yet. That's really all any of us know including you

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

Streetwise said:
I invite you to do what Jones has done for the franchise and NFL before you anonymously call people idiots.
The idea that he's a master meddler and we have a puppet HC and yet are competitive sort of voids you claims.
The team is better than you realize and the NFL as a whole in terms of competitiveness is also much closer.

Obviously you didn’t sense the compliment I was giving Jerry however sarcastically it was. But your defense of Jerry explains the support he continues to receive.

The Cowboys are talent dependent and we’ll go as far as our talent will take us.

As much of an obstacle as Jerry is he does recognize talent and if the NFL mandated all owners be the GM and run their franchises like Jerry does I think ole Jer could dominate the league.

Like I said. The rest of the league should be ashamed they can’t produce more than we are.

Diehardblues · Feb 13, 2019

northerncowboynation said:
I didn't say I wanted JG fired. I said that will be the outcome without an NFC championship appearance in 2019. I should have said, that could be the outcome. Could always leaves some wiggle room.Just an opinion. In no way fact. I know his contract hasn't been extended past 2019 yet. That's really all any of us know including you

Yes, but some of us have a better sense of the situation and potentially how it will fall.

I’d argue there is no ultimatum attached to a NFC championship appearance. Pure speculative BS.

G2 · Feb 13, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Obviously you didn’t sense the compliment I was giving Jerry however sarcastically it was. But your defense of Jerry explains the support he continues to receive.

The Cowboys are talent dependent and we’ll go as far as our talent will take us.

As much of an obstacle as Jerry is he does recognize talent and if the NFL mandated all owners be the GM and run their franchises like Jerry does I think ole Jer could dominate the league.

Like I said. The rest of the league should be ashamed they can’t produce more than we are.

You can repeat the "defense of Jones" all you want, doesn't make it true. Just stating facts and my point of view.

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