Sturm concerns on Quinn potential cap hit

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Again, I strongly suspect Dallas would merely like to facilitate Quinn and Miami a nice release.
Quinn would be a welcome RDE for 1 year here in a 4-3 that would showcase him.

MIA could get on with their re-build and then we'd get a comp pick back if we do not re-sign Quinn.

This is rather win-win.

But I am sure Quinn wants more at first pass like a sweet long term deal. Thus he may have to shop around first.
 
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JeffInDC said:
While that may be their average salary, that doesn't mean their cap hit will be that. Most of these contracts nowadays seem to be backloaded in terms of the cap hits. Even if Dak got a contract averaging that much, his first year cap hit could EASILY be almost half of that.
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Very likely, to a great extent. But they'd have to pay somebody the going rate because you can't possibly kick all of those cans down the road, it would be cap suicide. Backloading can be used in some cases, and to some degree, but you can't use it for all cases.
 
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JeffInDC said:
While that may be their average salary, that doesn't mean their cap hit will be that. Most of these contracts nowadays seem to be backloaded in terms of the cap hits. Even if Dak got a contract averaging that much, his first year cap hit could EASILY be almost half of that.
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DAL doesn't backload anymore.
But most teams will have small raises year over year.
 
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jterrell said:
Again, I strongly suspect Dallas would merely like to facilitate Quinn and Miami a nice release.
Quinn would be a welcome RDE for 1 year here in a 4-3 that would showcase him.

MIA could get on with their re-build and then we'd get a comp pick back if we do not re-sign Quinn.

This is rather win-win.

But I am sure Quinn wants more at first pass like a sweet long term deal. Thus he may have to shop around first.
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My own theory is that the Cowboys may have allocated $8-$9 million that they told Earl Thomas they were willing to pay him on a multi-year contract. Now that his signing is obviously not going to happen, they may look into using that same amount on an extension with Quinn.

Again, just a theory.
 
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AzorAhai said:
He’s acting like they are going to structure these contacts to take the AAV as a straight cap hit every year when that’s not the case.
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There are plenty who don't seem to understand how that works. They just see the cap and the total amount of the contract and go ballistic without looking at the structure of it and even possible restructures built into that can open up cap space as needed.
 
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If the Cowboys sign all of their pending FA's to long term deals their cap hits will be significantly lower then anticipated.

DLaw - should get a deal averaging 17 million a season lower then the 20 million franchise tag
Zeke - should get a deal around what Bell got or Gurley got. 14 million a season.
Cooper - should get a deal around 15 million per season
Jones - should get a deal around 14 million per season
Dak - 22-25 million a season. Lets say 25 million

On my count that is about 85 million for all those signings.

Based on their current contracts without those signings they have almost 112 million available in cap space next season. 112-85 = 37 million remaining in cap space. Even if say my projections above are low in some cases. Lets say we have 30 million left.

That's without Crawford probably being cut next season. And contracts for this years draft class. And any restructures to current contracts.

So I wouldn't say the Cowboys are in salary cap trouble.
 
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the cap space is closer to 110 to 120m from what sportrac and OTC says. but we aren't taking into account jaylon who after mosely's contract will also cost upwards of $15m. wishful thinking that he takes a discount based on the loyalty for the jones' taking him and paying him so high even injured....
 
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stasheroo said:
If they're all being paid their contract averages? It would likely be close:
Dak $28-$30 million
Amari $17 million
DLaw $20 million
Zeke $14 million
Jones $15 million

That's like what? About $94 million in total?
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Zach Martin's contract averages $14 million per year. His first year (2018), his cap hit was $6 million because he had a $2 million base. He's set for a $10 million base this year, but it is set up where Dallas could restructure it if the team needed the cap space. The same for the next couple of years following that.
 
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Beast_from_East said:
Dak, Amari, Dlaw, Zeke, and BJones is going to count $90 mill on cap next year?

Seriously?
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Pretty close... Plus Jaylon Smith, M. Collins, L. Collins, and Anthony Brown are free agents too. They could probably sign Jaylon Smith in this group, the rest will be hard. This is a big year to make a push with this group of players.

Dlaw- 20 million
Dak- 25 million
Cooper- 15 million
Zeke- 14 million
Jones- 12 million
 
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Kingofholland said:
Pretty close... Plus Jaylon Smith, M. Collins, L. Collins, and Anthony Brown are free agents too. They could probably sign Jaylon Smith in this group, the rest will be hard. This is a big year to make a push with this group of players.

Dlaw- 20 million
Dak- 25 million
Cooper- 15 million
Zeke- 14 million
Jones- 12 million
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With the ability to restructure contracts in the NFL, players like Martin and Fredrick can be restructured to open further cap space. Also keep in mind that players like Crawford can be cut to save another 9 million in salary. So there is the cap space available to keep the team together long term.

The biggest question is other then LVE and Smith at LB, Lawrence at DE and Jones at corner....we really do not know how the rest of the D will progress this year from last. If they have outstanding seasons and grow then I would agree we may need to shed some of them. But if they don't they will make decisions more simpler to make. Also keep in mind that the Cowboys have this draft and next draft to further supplement the depth in areas. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a couple of corners drafted this draft to protect them in the future. This draft has a very strong CB draft class through the first 4 rounds.
 
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AzorAhai said:
He’s acting like they are going to structure these contacts to take the AAV as a straight cap hit every year when that’s not the case.
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Many journalists do that because so few fans take the time to understand the cap.

Lazy writers basically creating click bait
 
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The Saints are in a worse cap situation than we are. But they are finding a way.

The Skins, Eagles and a few others had small cap. They make massive and multiple moves every year.

So it’s all doable and not impossible.

You sign him for two/three years, backload it for next season and the following. Done
 
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gimmesix said:
There are plenty who don't seem to understand how that works. They just see the cap and the total amount of the contract and go ballistic without looking at the structure of it and even possible restructures built into that can open up cap space as needed.
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Sturm isn’t one of those guys though which is why I really don’t understand what he’s pushing here. He knows the cap is malleable and so are contracts.
 
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stasheroo said:
My own theory is that the Cowboys may have allocated $8-$9 million that they told Earl Thomas they were willing to pay him on a multi-year contract. Now that his signing is obviously not going to happen, they may look into using that same amount on an extension with Quinn.

Again, just a theory.
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A good one imho.
I don't think they are ready to pay anyone as the 2nd DE long term and would likely continue to draft there.
Given DLaw had 9 sacks his first 3 seasons I also don't think they are out on Taco either. He was the most raw DE in that draft and the upside is still there.
They also like Armstong and have depth in general with Hyder added Gregory being a returnee next season possibly and still having Crawford on the roster.

But yup that 8-9M number makes sense. MIA eats 2-3M for alowish pick. And even if they use half of the 9M for someone else they can probably get Quinn in on one 1 yr from Miami for a middling 2020 pick and 5M.
They'd likely re-coup pick in 2021.
 
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