Twitter: Stephen confirms Jaylon RFA

ItzKelz · Apr 17, 2019

gimmesix said:
I believe the question being posed is why were we looking to the future when we were trying to win now. The answer is because we couldn't get a talent like Smith otherwise. We took a chance because of his value when healthy.

Both sides are reasonable positions. If you never do what it takes to put your team over the top, you're always playing for the future instead of now ... when you might have a team that could win with one or two additions.

However, if you play for now and fail in that attempt, then you blew the opportunity to take a player for the future who would have been an early first-round pick.

When do you go all in on now vs. preparing for tomorrow?

When you actually have a team that is close. Right now I would say that is where we are at. I think that is why SJ signed Tank despite no discount and publicly through the media asking Dak to take a discount. I think this draft we will not take a chance on a player with an injury.

buybuydandavis · Apr 17, 2019

Kaiser said:
Sure, but CBs also leave in FA after their first contract and they can get hurt on any given play.

I think most top players get retained by their teams. Tags limit the opportunity for players to leave.

TheRomoSexual · Apr 17, 2019

Future said:
He wasn't projected to be the #1 pick, because he wasn't going to play.

I complained about it then, too. It made absolutely 0 sense to draft a guy who wasn't going to play, at a position with 0 depth, on a team with a dominant OL and great but fragile QB.

What makes 0 sense is to complain about one of the best 1-2 picks in team history. This is not the hill to die on.

buybuydandavis · Apr 17, 2019

Buzzbait said:
As to that situation with Gregory and if they are actually buying time waiting for the laws and rules to change, it seems to me to be a sad Cowboy state of affairs if we have to lower standards that far to acquire players.

Gregory was an opportunity to get a top player for cheap. The sad thing about this beyond Gregory's personal problems is the league limiting Gregory's career, and how that compounded his problems.

CowboyRoy · Apr 17, 2019

Future said:
Still dumb to take Zeke at 4 and then a guy who wasn't going to play for a year at 36.

In a vacuum it's a fine pick, but relative to....the entire rest of the team, it was dumb.

I would much rather have had a stud DT or Corner with that 4th pick then Zeke.

CowboyRoy · Apr 17, 2019

Irvin88_4life said:
Only other player available at our pick that year would have been Ramsey but after 3 years taking Zeke was the correct move......so was taking Jaylon.

In what fantasy world are you living in? Ramsey is an all pro at one of the top 3 most important positions in football. Zeke ruined our entire 2017 season all on his own whether he deserved it or not by getting suspended. In 3 years he will be over the hill at his position. With the investment into the Oline, we shouldnt need an all pro RB.

But then again, it is my belief that you can get RB's cheap and with lower picks. Those premium picks should be used on premium positions.

Future · Apr 17, 2019

Beaker42 said:
Dude, if you’re still *****ing about that pick then nothing anyone is going to say is going to change your mind. They got a top 10 player for a 2nd rounder. Take a lesser player just to have a body to throw out there? Not smart.

No, it's not. I'm not *****ing about it, just saying that it was a dumb pick at the time.

Yes, it is smart to draft players who are actually going to play when you are trying to win a Super Bowl..

Future · Apr 17, 2019

Knotamus said:
I follow our drafts closely as most fanatic Cowboys fans. I don’t remember Deion Jones ever being mentioned as a draft possibly for the Cowboys. Jones is having a great career for the Falcons, but shouldn’t be included in your argument.

On the other hand, Myles Jack was highly regarded at the time and actually had injury concerns himself. Think the fact that our team doctor performed the surgery was the deciding factor bc the FO had ‘insider’ information. Both have recovered nicely with their respected teams.. but Statically, I don’t think we missed out on much by picking Jaylon.

2016
Jaylon- missed the season while recovering
Jack- 24 tckles- .5 sacks

So let’s not act like Dallas totally fubarred this.. Elliott is arguably the Most Valuable Player on the team and Jaylon has progressed beyond most imaginations.

Using revisionist history to be upset is kinda lame.

I mean pick whatever LB you want, I just said them because they were both gone in the second round.

It's not revisionist history. I said at the time it was a dumb pick, and I stand by it. It's revisionist history to act like it was some super savvy move.

Future · Apr 17, 2019

ItzKelz said:
I understand that we are on a forum and debating goes on within the forum therefore some feel as if they must come off as being right all the time....but....Jaylon was definitely projected as the best player in that draft before injury at ND. Again seeing what Jaylon has become....I do not see the logic of complaining now about what happened then simply because we now have the best tandem at LB in the NFL. So logically speaking.....SJ and company were right.

BEFORE INJURY...Nothing before the injury about his projections matter. Where a guy is projected in November doesn't mean anything.

I'm not saying they were wrong or right, I'm saying that it's dumb to go into a draft without a coherent strategy. They couldn't even decide if they were trying to win in 2016 or 2018.

aikemirv · Apr 17, 2019

rocyaice said:
How was it dumb if it worked lol?

It is not dumb. It is the same as trading a 2nd for next years first. Nobody would say that is a dumb move!

Bleu Star · Apr 17, 2019

ksg811 said:
I know this has been a hot topic for a couple years now. This is the confirmation we’ve been waiting for regarding his NFI to IR rookie season. He did not accrue that season towards FA.

Zzzzz ... Only the haters refused to believe the truth. They amuse me.

aikemirv · Apr 17, 2019

Future said:
BEFORE INJURY...Nothing before the injury about his projections matter. Where a guy is projected in November doesn't mean anything.

I'm not saying they were wrong or right, I'm saying that it's dumb to go into a draft without a coherent strategy. They couldn't even decide if they were trying to win in 2016 or 2018.

I don't see any issue with the pick. However, not getting a LB to fill the need in FA would be the issue since you knew he was not going to be available. Let's face it though, we had Hitchens and Lee, issue is, you can't count on Lee's health therefore you needed a FA backup plan.

bsbellomy · Apr 17, 2019

Future said:
Still dumb to take Zeke at 4 and then a guy who wasn't going to play for a year at 36.

In a vacuum it's a fine pick, but relative to....the entire rest of the team, it was dumb.

You can say it was a dumb move then but you can't say it was a dumb move now. They gambled and it paid off big time. The reason they made the pick is you don't have access top a player of his caliber in the 2nd round unless you take some risk, and obviously they did their due diligence. You just need to admit you were wrong and move on.

Future · Apr 17, 2019

bsbellomy said:
You can say it was a dumb move then but you can't say it was a dumb move now. They gambled and it paid off big time. The reason they made the pick is you don't have access top a player of his caliber in the 2nd round unless you take some risk, and obviously they did their due diligence. You just need to admit you were wrong and move on.

They hurt their chances to win a Super Bowl with an aging Tony Romo to get a guy who plays one of the least important positions in football, after drafting a running back in the top 5.

Dumb then, dumb now, regardless of how good Jaylon is.

Future · Apr 17, 2019

aikemirv said:
I don't see any issue with the pick. However, not getting a LB to fill the need in FA would be the issue since you knew he was not going to be available. Let's face it though, we had Hitchens and Lee, issue is, you can't count on Lee's health therefore you needed a FA backup plan.

Not filling through FA is part of a solution, though they signed Durant, and he was the LB they had on the field against GB, but you still could have drafted DL help, another CB...whatever. The point is that they made a win right now pick in the top 5, and then drafted a future consideration at 34, on a team built to contend immediately. If they had a rookie QB, were still fixing the OL, and had no talent, it's a different story.

I will admit that it was a pretty weak draft, in general, but that doesn't change the flawed logic.

Aikmaniac · Apr 17, 2019

Future said:
No, it's not. I'm not *****ing about it, just saying that it was a dumb pick at the time.

Yes, it is smart to draft players who are actually going to play when you are trying to win a Super Bowl..

I appreciate your posts a ton, but this one is a stretch and I believe you know it. There's a ton of other picks Dallas has made over the years that can qualify as dumb. The Jaylon pick is not one of them. I go back and forth on Zeke, but we have him and he happens to be the best player on the team, imo of course.

Future · Apr 17, 2019

Aikmaniac said:
I appreciate your posts a ton, but this one is a stretch and I believe you know it. There's a ton of other picks Dallas has made over the years that can qualify as dumb. The Jaylon pick is not one of them. I go back and forth on Zeke, but we have him and he happens to be the best player on the team, imo of course.

Well thanks.

But no, I don't think it's a stretch. You can go down the list and say "X was a bad pick." I'm not saying that about Jaylon. In a vacuum, he was a good pick. The problem is that picks aren't made in a vacuum and regardless of how good or bad the picks at 4 and 34 are as players, the strategies behind them were completely contradictory. That's the dumb part, not drafting Jaylon, specifically.

gimmesix · Apr 17, 2019

ItzKelz said:
When you actually have a team that is close. Right now I would say that is where we are at. I think that is why SJ signed Tank despite no discount and publicly through the media asking Dak to take a discount. I think this draft we will not take a chance on a player with an injury.

I don't agree. We were coming off a bad season, but it was primarily because we had lost our quarterback. We were expecting to be contenders in 2015 before then because of how we played in 2014. With Romo expected to return, I'd argue that our expectations in 2016 were to be a contender just as much as the team expects to be now. So if someone like Jeffrey Simmons were to somehow fall to us because of injury like Jaylon did, I don't think there's any way we would pass on him.

I don't think signing Tank and asking Dak to take a discount has much to do with how close we might be to winning a Super Bowl. It has to do with retaining your own talent and trying to pay them the least amount possible ... with hopes of winning the Super Bowl. If it was all about making a run, we would have done more to shore up safety and 3-tech IMO.

TheMarathonContinues · Apr 17, 2019

aikemirv said:
It is not dumb. It is the same as trading a 2nd for next years first. Nobody would say that is a dumb move!

I agree.

Irvin88_4life · Apr 17, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
In what fantasy world are you living in? Ramsey is an all pro at one of the top 3 most important positions in football. Zeke ruined our entire 2017 season all on his own whether he deserved it or not by getting suspended. In 3 years he will be over the hill at his position. With the investment into the Oline, we shouldnt need an all pro RB.

But then again, it is my belief that you can get RB's cheap and with lower picks. Those premium picks should be used on premium positions.

I mostly would agree with you but getting a RB in round 2 like Henry you now miss out on Jaylon. By the way i was a huge Ramsey fan and wanted him in the draft.

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