How have we gotten to this again?

gjkoeppen said:

First off the Cards aren't going to trade the 10th pick in last year's draft for a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick. That's just fan wannabe GM talk. Second counting the 4th rnd pick used to get Prescott you now say use another pick that the cards wouldn't accept to get a QB who in 13 starts threw more picks - 14 than TD's - 11 and a passer rating of 66.7 as a rookie yet Prescott numbers were TD's - 23, picks - 4, passer rating 104.9 and a Pro Bowl appearance as a rookie. Third, more fan wannabe GM thinking that a team will give up their #1 for a 2nd rnd pick, only in fairy tales. Lastly the only way a team get's into the top in the draft is by having a very bad record or by trading away one or more of the teams best players for that pick and then they will do poorly and be in the top 10 anyways. I'm so glad you actually have nothing to do with the Cowboys front office.
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Redball Express said:

Touchy?

Fiction?

Afraid to be 'challenged?

Because I do not feel compelled to post like you want me to?

Oh my..

you are new to social media, huh?

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gjkoeppen said:

So say a QB like Drew Brees who it took him until his TENTH season before winning a Super Bowl should have been winning them every year or gone to more just because the Saints had him? Last time I checked there's 11 players on offense and 11 players on defense and 11 players on special teams that All have to do their jobs for teams to succeed, not just the QB. Speaking of the other players how about Prescott's 2nd season when Bryant LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. as far as the Rams game in the playoffs last season Prescott didn't lose that game the defense did allowing TWO Ram RB's to rush for OVER 100 yards EACH. Again it was the defense that lost the Packers game not Prescott. Also so now Eric Mangini is the be all end all expert? The same guy as a head coach who has a losing record? Stop the presses, Eric Mangini has spoken.
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Redball Express said:

Blind luck.

This is true.

When you look at any real success for this franchise..

it always was with high drafted QBs..

Meredith

Morton

Staubach

Aikman

Lesser lights like White, Romo and DAK not so much.

Just saying.

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superonyx said:

Are you new to debates?

The shame is that you make a few good points but in an effort to explain your reasoning you start making up fictional facts which causes even people who agree with your overall premise to separate themselves from your rant.

Adding Romo’s contract only weakened your arguments logic. Then pretending Dak winning a playoff game doesn’t matter didn’t help. Them blaming him for the loss in GB where he outplayed Rodgers just took you down into a lonely place where reality doesn’t like to exist.

I’m not trying to be mean and I think you are a cool dude with good posts in general. But you went a little off the rails on this one.

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gjkoeppen said:

Now go back and look at the rest of those teams with the high drafted QB's. Aikman was one of the triplets had Emmitt and Irvin and and a very good defense. Staubach had Drew Pearson and Tony Dorsett. and the flex defense. Other than what he did in the MNF booth just what did Don Meridith do. He was funny, oh ya lost the Ice Bowl with zero TD's and a pick. Now White took the Cowboys to THREE straight NFC championship games. It's time you realize that it take MUCH more than just a QB to win Super Bowls.
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Redball Express said:

You don't like Mangini?

Who do you like?

I will try listening to him.

Seriously..

I am not looking to piss anybody off.

This is just what I think right now.

What I do not like is the way this team in the last decade keeps trying to reinvent it's QB from bargain bin players and trying to make them as found gold.

The hype train gets too much at times.

Sorry if it does not fit your narrative.

I still read your posts..

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DallasDW00ds0n said:

Id rather that than die without watching us win #6.

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Captain43Crash said:

You sound like a know it all. What front office do you work for? Josh Rosen did have a shaky rookie year, but he didn’t get much help at all. All QB’s need talent around them to be successful, especially rookies. See Dak’s rookie year. I think Rosen has a good chance to be a very good NFL QB.

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gjkoeppen said:

It's funny, not ha ha funny, that the Cards are trying to unload Rosen with no takers thus far. So I guess you're a better judge of talent than professional coaches huh? If he had such a bright future the Cards wouldn't be trying to trade him to pick another rookie QB in this draft.
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gjkoeppen said:

Try looking at history. Bargain basement QB's. Brady - 6th rnd pick. Starr taken in the last rnd, 13th. Kurt Warner like Romo undrafted. HOF Steve Young didn't go until the supplementary draft. Mark Rypien taken in the 6th rnd. Joe Montana last player taken in the 3rd rnd. Joe Theismann taken in the 4th rnd. and lastly one of your so called high draft picks, Roger Staubach drafted in the 10th rnd. What does all of these QB's have in common? They all won Super Bowls. Where a player is drafted has ZERO to do with what kind of career they may have. Again thank God you have nothing to do with the Cowboys front office.
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charron said:

They lied when they said they couldn't sign x player. Cause they did sign Carr for 50 mil and gave crawford 10 million a year. So we had highly paid players they didn't work out.

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Redball Express said:

I understand.

But winning is the bottom line.

Romo, as much as I liked him over Bledsoe..

was too quickly annointed our next savior QB.

The organization never challenged Romo with competition for his job.

Then they gave him his big contract and that is where things got complicated.

We won only sporadically.

If we give DAK the big contract..

I can see this forum going crazy if we go 3-5 again.

DAK is going to be on a very short leash of expectation.

There will be little patience if he stumbles.

If he continues missing wide open receiver for TDs or throws balls in the ground like last year or continues to hold the ball for sacks..

and we have no backup to fall back on..

Katy bar the door.

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reddyuta said:

The problem with all the Dak hand wringing is that it assumes its easy to find a replacement when in actually it is really hard.We were almost ready to Manziel,Lynch and connor freaking Cook and drafted Dak as a consolation to be a backup QB.We are not a good QB scouting team and every QB we have drafted since Romo and before Dak have been TERRIBLE.I dont trust this FO to even find a comparable QB in the draft unless they use a high draft pick and we are not going to sucl so much to get draft so high.

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Redball Express said:

We are only 3 years removed from having given Romo an obscene contract and then Dez and both contracts have just come off our books after years of killing our cap.

Both players could not live up to their contracts and won very little.

We were unable to resign players and lost players left and right and finally it all hit the fan at 6-10.

Now we are about to start the whole process again only with a QB who has had only 3 years in the NFL to prove himself as deserving in DAK.

Romo had 4 years before he became a starter then it was another 2 years before we gave him the big contract.

6 years of knowing what we had and still it blew up on us.

Here we are again looking at investing in another bargain player in Dak like Romo was and it took 10 years to move on from it.

I just really think this franchise has lost its mind if they jump off the deep end with DAK.

And I like him but he has some skill sets still absent.

Before taking another poison pill contract in the hopes of succeeding..

let DAK win something more than a preliminary playoff game.

He does not have to be re-signed yet.

He has another year on his deal.

So what if it costs more to sign him later.?

If that happens and he wins..

we pay him or not.

If not..we are not going to have a problem taking his money and signing a QB in FA that can help us or if we were really wise..

draft another DAK and start getting him ready going forward now.

We could use our #2 pick and draft somebody and let Rush and White go.

Either way we win.

This is what the Patriots would do.

They draft a Garofalo and when they knew Brady was going to be staying..

they traded him.

But they did not get into a crisis over a single player.

Just for once I would like to play with a winning hand.

I know some here will think this is crazy..but not to me.

If this all goes to Hades and Garrett gets fired after this year..

at least the new coach will not be saddled with a hopeless salary cap situation to start over with.

Slow it down Stephen, Jerry and company.

Take your time.

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Redball Express said:

I guess I do not understand your comment.

You mean just rushing ahead without validation is OK?

We have seen DAK in two playoff games where his play could not get the win..Packers and Rams.

We have seen during Zeke's suspension that DAK was not good enough to succeed on his play alone.

Coach Eric Mangini in an interview on First Things First a few months back said about DAK that a player like him that requires constantly adding high price players around him to win is a caution.

He said a lot of other things about us that are very true.



At some point DAK has to prove he is the difference maker..

not a expensive complimentary piece.

That is the nature of the position at the highest levels.

We have to be careful.

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bsbellomy said:

Why is it Dak or Cooper Rush?

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