Jerry is large and in charge

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Diehardblues said:
Fake news to me is spinning facts to support an opinion or narrative. As I stated above. I’m not denying the report you attached.
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There's no spin. Stephen and Jerry have continually, well after the draft, laid out exactly what happened that night.

The only person spinning here is you. Your "take" on the situation is what is fake news at this point.
 
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Hennessy_King said:
My thing is who cares. Would we have won less super bowls if we took Johnny Manziel?
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Seriously? You think taking Zack over Manziel hasn't really mattered because we haven't won a Super Bowl? C'mon. Way too early to be hitting the cognac man.
 
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Sydla said:
There is literally multiple stories months and months and years after the draft went down and every one confirms the story as I described it. Jerry wanted to send in the card and take Manziel, he couldn't get support for the pick in the room so he reluctantly went with what the room wanted - Martin.

Let me ask you this. What incentive do Jerry and Stephen have at this point to continually confirm that story? Manziel bombed out so they don't have to protect themselves in case Manziel succeeded. He didn't. So there's no reason even today to continue to say that Jerry wanted Manziel but couldnt' get the support for the pick.
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There’s no need in denying the story. I’m not denying the story. I just believe it’s intentions were misrepresented .

Wanting Manziel is a true statement . Intending on drafting him is more subjective discussion.

Jerry thru his name out for the war room to discuss . And apparently no one bit. So they moved on. That’s what I’d call interest not intent to draft.
 
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Outlaw Heroes said:
Seriously? You think taking Zack over Manziel hasn't really mattered because we haven't won a Super Bowl? C'mon. Way too early to be hitting the cognac man.
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I'm saying it doesn't really matter. Other than a couple division winners. This team has not even been consistent. You act like we are in the playoffs every year
 
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stasheroo said:
He's actually not. He has a great sense of humor and does a lot for the board by sharing news as soon as he gets it. He's a valued contributor. And check out his work in the draft zone, a lot of good stuff there as well. I just think he's reaching for something to complain about here and I disagree with him.
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I took it as a troll thread meant to rustle feathers. Although I think he does truly believe in the general premise.
Agree with your other points though; dude is funny, no denying that.
 
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To the delusional cheerleaders who like to pretend Jerry is a passive figurehead and his chubby son and the great Will McClay actually run this team, tune into the 13:55 mark of this video and observe. Ignore the fact Stephen can't even answer a phone correctly.

Stephen works the phone like a good secretary. He can't say yes or no to these offers. He's not the decision maker.

"Umm...let me call you back. I have to ask Dad."

He presents the trade offers to his Daddy. The real boss. The head coach seems open to one of the trade proposals but gets immediately shut down.

Then Stephen mentioned he'd be willing to go down 3 spots for a pick.

Not happening, as the REAL decision maker in Dallas, Till. Death. Do. They. Part., has made his decision.

"Let's keep Connor McGovern."

And so it is done. (Shout out to Will McClay, who is strangely absent in this.)

Now this isn't news to anyone reasonable, I know. I'm talking to our less fortunate right now. Those loving in their alternate reality because the real world offends their fandom.

So, to those bros.... Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

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Jerry has said he's the man in Dallas many times, not sure why many want to believe otherwise, can't wait to see the spin some put on this. JJ is the decision maker and has final say not Jr. As you say same old same old.
 
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DandyDon52 said:
to be fair, some owners leave the draft and trades to the gm and HC, but not all of them do, and they all meddle to a certain extent.
Jerry just takes it to the extreme.

The Minn vikings had a good HC, almost got to the sb with farve, but the bounty saints beat them,playing dirty.
It was the next year or so, that HC was fired due to he cut a player without checking with the owner first lol.
That was almost as bad as jerry running off Jimmy.

SF more or less ran off their HC forget his name, but you all know.
Both of those teams went down the toilet and have yet to get back to where they were with those HC's. Same as Dallas.

Synder took over the draft for this year, I think he wanted haskins no matter what.

So it isnt just Jerry, but Jerry just takes it to a whole different level, and is very public about it too.
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There are a few other idiot owners out there like Jerry. And none of it ends well.
 

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Diehardblues said:
There’s no need in denying the story. I’m not denying the story. I just believe it’s intentions were misrepresented .

Wanting Manziel is a true statement . Intending on drafting him is more subjective discussion.
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There literally is nothing subjective about it. People have linked MULTIPLE stories in this thread that tell you exactly what happened that night with quotes from both Jerry and Stephen, months and even years after that draft.

Jerry wanted to take Manziel. He went around the room and found no one supported that call. He reluctantly went with Stephen and the general consensus amongst the voices in the draft room - take Martin.

Those are the facts. It's bizarre that you can't just admit it and move on.
 
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Sydla said:
You are missing the point.

DieHard called the Manziel/Martin story fake news. I am telling him it's not fake news and provided him with the information from many confirmed stories. That's it. It's really that simple. There is no need for you to read into it in the bizarre way you seemingly have.
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You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. I’m simply saying that based on your account ( I’m not saying you’re right or wrong in regards to J.J. wanting to draft Manziel), Jones didn’t ignore the input of others and take Manziel as you noted he wanted to do. It shows that he doesn’t just act alone and do what he wants to do as many on here constantly say. So, if everyone believes he wanted Manziel badly, but didn’t take him, doesn’t that prove he does listen to the input of others? It’s really simple.
 
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Hennessy_King said:
I hear you but we are arguing about something that doesn't matter. I mean what if taking Johnny manziel created a ripple effect that would have had the rebuilding process earlier. We don't know. Yes as an individual player standpoint it worked out, but we didn't go to superbowls with martin either.
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I didn’t know Zach Martin’s playing career was over. I do know Johnny Football’s is over.
 
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Romo had just signed in 2013, the year before, a new 6 year 108 million dollar contract.

When exactly was the heir apparent Manziel going to take over?

It just doesn’t add up and why most likely it was all more hype than reality.
 

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You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. I’m simply saying that based on your account ( I’m not saying you’re right or wrong in regards to J.J. wanting to draft Manziel), Jones didn’t ignore the input of others and take Manziel as you noted he wanted to do. It shows that he doesn’t just act alone and do what he wants to do as many on here constantly say. So, if everyone believes he wanted Manziel badly, but didn’t take him, doesn’t that prove he does listen to the input of others? It’s really simple.
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I get what you are saying. You still are missing the point.

My posts to Diehard were simply to provide facts about that night, that's it. I made no commentary to him about what it means in the larger picture. Diehard said Jerry didn't want to draft Manziel. I said that's false and have provided evidence to support that claim. That's it.

I wasn't talking to Diehard about what it meant. I was simply telling what happened that night.
 
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Shocking a HOF owner making football decisions:facepalm:.

A 30 sec sound bite Jerry picked (pun intended) out of millions of decisions.

How do you reconcile this OP with the Zack Martin and Johnny Manziel 2014 draft when it was widely known Stephen talked Boss down from sinking the franchise:huh:
 
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Hennessy_King said:
I'm saying it doesn't really matter. Other than a couple division winners. This team has not even been consistent. You act like we are in the playoffs every year
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3 out of 5 NFC East titles ain't bad. Regardless, we'd have been in a lot worse shape replacing Martin with Manziel on our roster these past 5 years.
 
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Sydla said:
I mean shoot, it's only quotes from the two guys involved in the situation - Jerry and Stephen. What kind of evidence is that?
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Just a guess, but that evidence doesn't penetrate the tinfoil hat. ;)
 
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Outlaw Heroes said:
3 out of 5 NFC East titles ain't bad. Regardless, we'd have been in a lot worse shape replacing Martin with Manziel on our roster these past 5 years.
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Exactly and what players would we have drafted if we were a bad team that might have elevated us to a SB team. Nobody knows. All I know is the route this team has taken hasn't led to championships. That's all I'm saying. Martin was obviously the right pick but it really doesn't matter
 
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BourbonBalz said:
You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. I’m simply saying that based on your account ( I’m not saying you’re right or wrong in regards to J.J. wanting to draft Manziel), Jones didn’t ignore the input of others and take Manziel as you noted he wanted to do. It shows that he doesn’t just act alone and do what he wants to do as many on here constantly say. So, if everyone believes he wanted Manziel badly, but didn’t take him, doesn’t that prove he does listen to the input of others? It’s really simple.
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Of course. The greater influence the better decisions Jerry makes as we saw with Jimmy and Bill as well.

Jerry threw Manziels name out there in the War Room. No one bit and they moved on. More hoopla than anything else IMO. But some fans want to make like its some major turning point that Jerry began delegating more authority.
 
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