Peter King nuggets on Dak

Corso · May 14, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
you sound like one of the stars of dumb and dumber or jack ***. did you know English is my 4th language? and I am learning my 5th..... yet your 8th grade mentality needs emoji's to express itself........you are an idiot because you are hanging on to an apostrophe to make yourself feel better...how stupid can you be.... what a loser...I am actually starting to feel sorry for you... maybe I will start a fundme campaign to save you, maybe hire a nanny or care taker of some kind...mentally handicapped should be monitored at all times...for their own good

and I have to apologize as I feel bad for kicking your arse all over the place in the Dak debate. If I knew you were mentally handicapped I would have been nicer....

This is admirable.

Sydla · May 14, 2019

I see four potential outcomes here:

1) You sign Dak to a long term deal, he plays really well and justifies the contract and you may look like you got a bargain rate.

2) You sign Dak to a long term deal, he plays much like he did in 2017 and you are staring at the possibility you just paid $150MM or so to a QB who is inconsistent, at best.

3) You wait a year, Dak plays well, you have to pay a premium but you are more confident that you are getting an almost, or elite, QB. Or you tag him if you can't work out a deal.

4) You wait a year, Dak doesn't play well, you save yourself from locking him into a massive contract and you can tag him as a carryover for a year or two while you look for a long term option at QB.

Of the 4, which is the worst outcome?

Bullflop · May 14, 2019

Sydla said:
In Jerry's world, you are probably right. He sees no alternative despite the fact he could just let Dak play out his last year of his rookie contract and then go from there.

Jerry apparently sees nor wants no other alternative at all. I strongly suspect he'll choose to award Dak with a 30-million dollar contract for the next who knows how many years and hope his money is well spent. As it currently stands, maybe he's perfectly content with his profit margin first and perhaps, Dak's performance secondly. Dak is capable of winning in any event, with a question remaining as to how much of it is enough.

I suspect Jerry's goal and that of the Cowboys' fans aren't necessarily in sync with one another. Whatever happens will play out, regardless of what objections are in the offing. As for myself, I refuse to helplessly allow myself to be unhappy with something I can't control. I'll keep watching the Cowboys' games, hoping for the best results, come what may and enjoy being "entertained." Jerry, himself, alluded to that description.

TexasHillbilly · May 14, 2019

Rayman70 said:
not sure why you keep beating a dead horse. Context matters. None of us here think Dak is Troy or that these players are worth that money.What we are saying is the market is all about supply and demand. Short supply of players at a certain position means the asking price goes way up. THATS NOT ME. That's business 101. ECONOMICS CLASSES MATTER.

Dak's not getting the money because he is worth it, it's what the market is paying and it is going to keep rising. No one knows how this is going to turn out......especially Mr. Star.

Corso · May 14, 2019

TexasHillbilly said:
Dak's not getting the money because he is worth it, it's what the market is paying and it is going to keep rising. No one knows how this is going to turn out......especially Mr. Star.

All's I know is life keeps moving forward and gives no shiv about you, or anything else. This planet keeps spinning no matter what.
And so do I.
Except I do care about you.
You're cool and someone I would hang with.

But this stuff will happen and then we go on.
And my main dude @PAPPYDOG will go nuts and I will smile.
It will be great.

Because life will continue and I shall be there... observing and having fun.

TexasHillbilly · May 14, 2019

Corso said:
All's I know is life keeps moving forward and gives no shiv about you, or anything else. This planet keeps spinning no matter what.
And so do I.
Except I do care about you.
You're cool and someone I would hang with.

But this stuff will happen and then we go on.
And my main dude @PAPPYDOG will go nuts and I will smile.
It will be great.

Because life will continue and I shall be there... observing and having fun.

Ditto sir.

Nav22 · May 14, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
you sound like one of the stars of dumb and dumber or jack ***. did you know English is my 4th language? and I am learning my 5th..... yet your 8th grade mentality needs emoji's to express itself........you are an idiot because you are hanging on to an apostrophe to make yourself feel better...how stupid can you be.... what a loser...I am actually starting to feel sorry for you... maybe I will start a fundme campaign to save you, maybe hire a nanny or care taker of some kind...mentally handicapped should be monitored at all times...for their own good

and I have to apologize as I feel bad for kicking your arse all over the place in the Dak debate. If I knew you were mentally handicapped I would have been nicer....

LOLLLL someone got offended because they were called out on their embarrassing lack of education.

Nice paragraph.
:lmao2:

Hadenough · May 14, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
that's the point.....Prescott needs a lot of help to become an average passer in the league. once he gets that large contract, and lets say we can't sign zeke or Amari, then all Dak lovers will complain that he doesn't have the weapons....and inevitably it becomes a Romo comparison....see what Romo had...if he had what Romo had.....

Dak getting 30 mil is just completely insane.

TheMarathonContinues · May 14, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
so as you said....given elite options the other QBs win championships and put up 5000 yard season....

and then you listed a bunch of QBs....and as I mentioned I don't consider Cousin, Mariota or Winston above Dak.

Rogers, Brees, Brady, Roth, Wilson, foles, flacco, eli, some others that had weapons and made it to the superbowl, like Ryan, goff, newton.....

now, as I also mentioned, when Dak does that given the elite weapons he is given, then I will change my mind. when Dak becomes a top 10 passer in the league with the weapons he has, I will change my mind. until then, he has been an average passer, relying on the scheme and a bus driver. nothing wrong with that.

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A few things...........

Flacco and Eli didn't have elite options.......they had some defenses and they made plays when it mattered. Like Dak does now.

Cam had a solid defense....offensively his options sucked as well.

I get what you're trying to convey here but those quarterbacks all rings under different circumstances. Rodgers was unreal but even him being one of the best quarterbacks in the league with great receiving cores....its resulted in one ring. Same goes for Drew Bree's who's had some good seasons but even misses out on the playoffs during this run.

Goff has been terrible for some months now. I know they got far in the playoffs but it surely wasn't because of him.

CowboysFaninHouston said:
and what I said, which you are twisting, that great coaches, good coaches, make good players into great, great players into elite and average players into good. they need to have the resources to accomplish their vision. Just like any other CEO of a company.....

without those resources, they can't waive a wand to create magic, but good coaches have the ability to take a group of good to great players and win championships or great coaches win multiple championships. the players have to be able to execute the vision. however, just throwing in a bunch of great/elite players together doesn't necessarily add up to championships, if the coach isn't any good or have the right vision. Dann Quinn had the right vision, had the players and took atlanta to the superbowl...his predecessor didn't. pretty much similar resources. parcells a great coach was able to take giants to the superbowl and the jets to AFCG...but in dallas he failed, given he had quincy carter, yet he took a crappy player and was able to get him to 10-6. no playoff wins. not championship.....

so the question is if Garrett is the right coach with the right vision and has the right players? is Dak the right player? or is Dak in the right system surrounded by elite players?

not sure why its hard to understand....you are seemingly twisting to defend Dak in one way or the other and that much is obvious, so no need to twist my words. just come out and say you like Dak, you think he is elite or great and just be done with it.

Parcells didn't just have Quincy Carter here. He had Romo and a very solid team around him. The same team Wade had a 13 win season with.

So if Dan Quinn had the right vision....what did he have last year when the Falcons sucked? Is it only the right vision when they make it to the Super Bowl?

And in this instance I'm not defending Dak. I'm debating whether or not Garrett a player makes a head coach great. I believe its the other way around. A head coach make a player great. Bellicheat makes Brady great. Payton made Brees great earlier in his career.

And don't go the cop out route. I never ONCE said Dak was great or elite. My stance is actually the opposite. I believe he's suffering due to lack of coaching. You accuse me of twisting your words but I never ONCE even eluded to Dak being great.

TheMarathonContinues · May 14, 2019

Hadenough said:
Dak getting 30 mil is just completely insane.

Its what the market dictates. And you guys don't get that now but you will get it 2 or 3 years from now when the Jameis Winston's of the world and the Mariottas are signing for 35 million a year. Or even the players on the level of Ryan Fitzpatrick are signing for 20 million a year. You don't see it now but you will.

Hadenough · May 14, 2019

Sydla said:
I see four potential outcomes here:

1) You sign Dak to a long term deal, he plays really well and justifies the contract and you may look like you got a bargain rate.

2) You sign Dak to a long term deal, he plays much like he did in 2017 and you are staring at the possibility you just paid $150MM or so to a QB who is inconsistent, at best.

3) You wait a year, Dak plays well, you have to pay a premium but you are more confident that you are getting an almost, or elite, QB. Or you tag him if you can't work out a deal.

4) You wait a year, Dak doesn't play well, you save yourself from locking him into a massive contract and you can tag him as a carryover for a year or two while you look for a long term option at QB.

Of the 4, which is the worst outcome?

#2 is the worst! I've said it before and there is just no reason to pay dak now! Jerry is holding all the cards and at this point he doesnt have to show them.

Corso · May 14, 2019

rocyaice said:
A few things...........

Flacco and Eli didn't have elite options.......they had some defenses and they made plays when it mattered. Like Dak does now.

Cam had a solid defense....offensively his options sucked as well.

I get what you're trying to convey here but those quarterbacks all rings under different circumstances. Rodgers was unreal but even him being one of the best quarterbacks in the league with great receiving cores....its resulted in one ring. Same goes for Drew Bree's who's had some good seasons but even misses out on the playoffs during this run.

Goff has been terrible for some months now. I know they got far in the playoffs but it surely wasn't because of him.

Parcells didn't just have Quincy Carter here. He had Romo and a very solid team around him. The same team Wade had a 13 win season with.

So if Dan Quinn had the right vision....what did he have last year when the Falcons sucked? Is it only the right vision when they make it to the Super Bowl?

And in this instance I'm not defending Dak. I'm debating whether or not Garrett a player makes a head coach great. I believe its the other way around. A head coach make a player great. Bellicheat makes Brady great. Payton made Brees great earlier in his career.

And don't go the cop out route. I never ONCE said Dak was great or elite. My stance is actually the opposite. I believe he's suffering due to lack of coaching. You accuse me of twisting your words but I never ONCE even eluded to Dak being great.

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natedoug · May 14, 2019

Still not sure what all this Dak hate is about --

Does he need to improve -- Yes
Has he displayed the drive and desire to improve - Yes
Does he have all the leadership qualities for a QB - Yes
Is he clutch and does he win games - Yes
Is the 30 mil avg salary what the market bears for him -- Yes

I agree that he throws some bad passes and holds the ball longer than I would expect ( IN SOME Cases ) -- but

The dude is a winner and he displayed that at Miss State. He had them ranked #1 for a period of time ( 1st time in school history ) and after he left they have done NOTHING.

Concerning the "He needs all stars around him to win" -- What QB doesn't ?

I recall Big Ben, Brady, and Russel winning SB's early -- not because of them but because of the talent on their roster and COACHING.

If nothing else - we should all agree our HC is not a strength of the team. He doesn't win games for us -- I would argue that our players Win games in spite of our poor coaching.

I still remember the days after Aikman left, we had all these QB's that could throw the perfect pass and had the strongest arms, but we won nothing.

If Kellen Moore - get's creative and brings this offense into the modern ages with multiple formations and deception -- we will WIN.

The talent is on the roster -- we need the coaching ( offense & defense ) to step up. Put the players in the best positions to take advantage of their skill sets .. and "out scheme" your opponents once and a while.

Corso · May 14, 2019

natedoug said:
Still not sure what all this Dak hate is about --

Does he need to improve -- Yes
Has he displayed the drive and desire to improve - Yes
Does he have all the leadership qualities for a QB - Yes
Is he clutch and does he win games - Yes
Is the 30 mil avg salary what the market bears for him -- Yes

I agree that he throws passes and holds the ball longer than I would expect ( IN SOME Cases ) -- but

The dude is a winner and he displayed that at Miss State. He had them ranked #1 for a period of time ( 1st time in school history ) and after he left they have done NOTHING.

Concerning the "He needs all stars around him to win" -- What QB doesn't ?

I recall Big Ben, Brady, and Russel winning SB's early -- not because of them but because of the talent on their roster and COACHING.

If nothing else - we should all agree our HC is not a strength of the team. He doesn't win games for us -- I would argue that our players Win games in spite of our poor coaching.

I still remember the days after Aikman left, we had all these QB's that could throw the perfect pass and had the strongest arms, but we won nothing.

If Kellen Moore - get's creative and brings this offense into the modern ages with multiple formations and deception -- we will WIN.

The talent is on the roster -- we need to the coaching ( offense & defense ) to step up. Put the players in the best positions to take advantage of their skill sets .. and "out scheme" your opponents once and a while.

Stinking Tank Girl...
You Are Legend.

Roadtrip635 · May 14, 2019

csirl said:
There's this thing called the NFL Draft that happens every April. It has QBs in it. Some of them - normally 2-3 per year - go on to become long term NFL starters.

I'm not sure that people here even watch Cowboys games - seem to influenced more by media hype than what is plain to see i.e. Dak cannot make all the throws expected of an elite QB.

Question - JJ has been shown to be a very poor judge of QBs. Hensen, Carter, Leaf, Hutchison etc. The article at the start of this thread even mentions JJ being gutted he couldnt get 2 x QBs who are in the aforementioned company. JJ loves Dak. Does that worry you?

We're supposed to get that simple to find "elite" QB in the draft but in the same breathe point out how poor a judge of QBs JJ has been? :laugh:

The draft doesn't guarantee you an "elite" QB, it doesn't guarantee he will be that much more of an improvement, it doesn't even guarantee he will be a viable starter. 2-3 a year may become starters, but not better than Dak and definitely not that become elite or your definition of elite is way off. Even as the article points out in 7 years and 20 1st round picks only 6 of them may be an improvement and I'm not sold that Cam would be, so 5 of 20. So that's a 25% success rate, even with every QB at your disposal, that's less than 1 a year that would be an "improvement". Every time you miss with a 1st round pick, it sets you back 4-5 years and use resources to improve the rest of your team.

natedoug · May 14, 2019

Corso said:
Stinking Tank Girl...
You Are Legend.

Cheers Bro !

blueblood70 · May 14, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Most expensive "Bus Driver" ever!!!!

put your hammer up, Aaron rogers the mighty elite QB is 10-12-1 the last 23 games in 2 season must one he might have missed.. Dak is what 19-13 hmm so whats rogers excuse, did he need better D , a better line a better rb, or more WRs? all QBs need some help if not a great HC, OC , and Owner like in NE but a scheme as well..lets not cast stones on Dak for looking better with better players..let me know the title Lebron, KD, and, westbrook, and Harden won on their own? who finally got tiles with other stars? I realize footballs but different but all the 28-35 mil QBS sat home and watched Dak in the 2nd round and Dak beat RW who just got paid..

Im not saying Dak should get 30 but reality of the market says he will get 27plus and he cant help it that Amari and Zeke came in with contracts at the same time..

let me know all the games Aikman won without Emmitt, Micheal, JImmy, that Oline, a great TE and a solid Defense?? ill be waiting and yes he would be on the list getting paid in todays NFL..Aikman had 12 HOF on his team..those were our last rings.. exactly..

DuncanIso · May 14, 2019

ItzKelz said:
Or leading 3-5 counted out Dallas Cowboys to a 10-6 finish and playoff birth and victory against the 35 million dollar man...............Remember?

I remember 2017 and starting 3-5 in 2018.

Yup. 3-5.

He's not an elite QB.

Have you forgotten already?!?

Roadtrip635 · May 14, 2019

DuncanIso said:
I remember 2017 and starting 3-5 in 2018.

Yup. 3-5.

He's not an elite QB.

Have you forgotten already?!?

Packers started 3-4-1 in 2018 and only went 4-3 before getting inured in 2017. Rodgers must not be elite using your example.

Dak isn't elite, but just like Rodgers, you still need good coaching and players around them.

Corso · May 14, 2019

Roadtrip635 said:
Packers started 3-4-1 in 2018 and only went 4-3 before getting inured in 2017. Rodgers must not be elite using your example.

Dak isn't elite, but just like Rodgers, you still need good coaching and players around them.

Mmm Hmm.

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