Dak > Brady (since Amari)

xwalker · May 26, 2019

Cowboys22 said:
They left off playoff and Super Bowl wins which is really all that matters.

Super Bowl Wins
Eli Manning 2
Aaron Rodgers 1

Brad Johnson 1
Dan Marino 0

CowboyRoy · May 26, 2019

Johnny23 said:
Then look at the facts. Dak's not better than Brady. It's a given he's going to have more rush tds because he's a running quarterback. But that doesn't make him better.

Those are facts. He also threw for less yards in more completions meaning Brady is getting the ball further down the field. It's called analysis of statistics.

Who said he’s better than Brady?

Funny

Cowboys22 · May 27, 2019

xwalker said:
Super Bowl Wins
Eli Manning 2
Aaron Rodgers 1

Brad Johnson 1
Dan Marino 0

Yeah, so that makes Dak > Brady because a couple of stats were slightly better over the course of a handful of games? Sorry but I judge teams, QBs, and head coaches by overall success which means playoff wins and championships. Stats are for those willing to accept mediocrity from their team but still want claim how good they are.

Here’s a very simple question to make my point and I’ll use your post to do it. If you were given the choice between Eli Manning or Dan Marino and told Dak Prescott could have the exact same career, which would you choose? I take the 2 Super Bowls over the great stats 100 out of 100 times and I bet everyone else would to.

LACowboysFan1 · May 27, 2019

Vtwin said:
The Rams had the ball exactly one more time than the Cowboys did.

Maybe if Dak could have made even one more third down conversion the disparity in plays and top would have been closer.

Without going back and rewatching I can recall three instances when Dak missed on plays that were there for the taking. Converting even one of those plays could have made the difference in that very close game.

Blaming the defense entirely is simple minded. Inspite of the terrible stat line they held the fort when it mattered and kept the score down. Only to have the offense put them right back on the field again.

This is what we're going to get from Dak for as long as he is here. Win their share of regular season games and falter against the top competition in the playoffs.

Dak could have and should have won that Rams game.

One more time with the ball means little if their possessions are 8-10-12 plays each, can't go by just how many times they had the ball. You have to have the ball more than a few times to score. Just look at the Bills vs. the Giants in the SB, the Bills had the high scoring offense but with barely 20 minutes with the ball a few three and outs and they simply didn't have time to score enough points.

I did not blame the defense entirely, I said it made it more difficult for the offense.

So Dak missed 3 plays "when it mattered"? Every quarterback makes bad plays in game, I guess you expect perfection from Dak in every critical point, but Roger made mistakes in those circumstances, so did Troy. Ain't happening. Easy to pick out bad plays, they stand out more than good plays, I'm sure I could find plays in the game where Dak made the play work when it didn't go well.

Dak doesn't play the game by himself, the whole "winning quarterback" and "losing quarterback" thing is stupid, it's a team game. The o-line missed blocks and let Dak get sacked, those plays were "plays that mattered" but it wasn't all Dak's fault.

Again, Dak has his faults, but as is usually the case, quarterbacks get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses most of the time.

He's NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. If you can't stand that fact, and if you are so sure he'll never win a SB or even an NFC championship, then better find another team to root for...

Vtwin · May 27, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
One more time with the ball means little if their possessions are 8-10-12 plays each, can't go by just how many times they had the ball. You have to have the ball more than a few times to score. Just look at the Bills vs. the Giants in the SB, the Bills had the high scoring offense but with barely 20 minutes with the ball a few three and outs and they simply didn't have time to score enough points.

I did not blame the defense entirely, I said it made it more difficult for the offense.

So Dak missed 3 plays "when it mattered"? Every quarterback makes bad plays in game, I guess you expect perfection from Dak in every critical point, but Roger made mistakes in those circumstances, so did Troy. Ain't happening. Easy to pick out bad plays, they stand out more than good plays, I'm sure I could find plays in the game where Dak made the play work when it didn't go well.

Dak doesn't play the game by himself, the whole "winning quarterback" and "losing quarterback" thing is stupid, it's a team game. The o-line missed blocks and let Dak get sacked, those plays were "plays that mattered" but it wasn't all Dak's fault.

Again, Dak has his faults, but as is usually the case, quarterbacks get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses most of the time.

He's NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. If you can't stand that fact, and if you are so sure he'll never win a SB or even an NFC championship, then better find another team to root for...

Lol. Pure emotionally driven, homeristic crap.

You realize the offense had every opportunity to put together their own 12 play, time eating drives, don't you? In fact this offense is built to do just that. Only works against great defense if they have to respect the passing game though. If anything, the offense made it more difficult for the defense. This is about as fundamental as it gets.

Of course all QB's miss one here and there. The plays I am referencing were easy plays that Rodgers, Brady etc might miss 1 out of a 100 times. Dak misses them with regularity.

Go back and watch that so important first drive of the second half. Pathetic three and out complete with bad decision making and poor throws. But it's the defense's fault they had to get right back on the field just like they did most of the first half and again most of the second.

Supposedly Dak was even "seeing it" at this point in the season by his own account.

Watch the SB again. Notice how the Patriots ran it down the Rams throat. Why couldn't the Cowboys do that with arguably a much better back and better or at least even o-line? Possibly because they absolutely had to respect Brady and the passing game? The reason those easy misses were there in the first place was because the Rams gave them up to focus on Zeke. They didn't dare do that against Brady and Dak couldn't make them pay for doing it to the Cowboys. It's as obvious as can be too anyone who can see over their homer goggles.

I'll stick with the Cowboy's because I've been on this rollercoaster for almost fifty years but thanks for your concern.

HungryLion · May 27, 2019

Vtwin said:
Lol. Pure emotionally driven, homeristic crap.

You realize the offense had every opportunity to put together their own 12 play, time eating drives, don't you? In fact this offense is built to do just that. Only works against great defense if they have to respect the passing game though. If anything, the offense made it more difficult for the defense. This is about as fundamental as it gets.

Of course all QB's miss one here and there. The plays I am referencing were easy plays that Rodgers, Brady etc might miss 1 out of a 100 times. Dak misses them with regularity.

Go back and watch that so important first drive of the second half. Pathetic three and out complete with bad decision making and poor throws. But it's the defense's fault they had to get right back on the field just like they did most of the first half and again most of the second.

Supposedly Dak was even "seeing it" at this point in the season by his own account.

Watch the SB again. Notice how the Patriots ran it down the Rams throat. Why couldn't the Cowboys do that with arguably a much better back and better or at least even o-line? Possibly because they absolutely had to respect Brady and the passing game? The reason those easy misses were there in the first place was because the Rams gave them up to focus on Zeke. They didn't dare do that against Brady and Dak couldn't make them pay for doing it to the Cowboys. It's as obvious as can be too anyone who can see over their homer goggles.

I'll stick with the Cowboy's because I've been on this rollercoaster for almost fifty years but thanks for your concern.

Yeah that Patriots offense was a real juggernaut in the Super Bowl.

Totally the primary reason they won that game.

speedkilz88 · May 27, 2019

Vtwin said:
Lol. Pure emotionally driven, homeristic crap.

You realize the offense had every opportunity to put together their own 12 play, time eating drives, don't you? In fact this offense is built to do just that. Only works against great defense if they have to respect the passing game though. If anything, the offense made it more difficult for the defense. This is about as fundamental as it gets.

Of course all QB's miss one here and there. The plays I am referencing were easy plays that Rodgers, Brady etc might miss 1 out of a 100 times. Dak misses them with regularity.

Go back and watch that so important first drive of the second half. Pathetic three and out complete with bad decision making and poor throws. But it's the defense's fault they had to get right back on the field just like they did most of the first half and again most of the second.

Supposedly Dak was even "seeing it" at this point in the season by his own account.

Watch the SB again. Notice how the Patriots ran it down the Rams throat. Why couldn't the Cowboys do that with arguably a much better back and better or at least even o-line? Possibly because they absolutely had to respect Brady and the passing game? The reason those easy misses were there in the first place was because the Rams gave them up to focus on Zeke. They didn't dare do that against Brady and Dak couldn't make them pay for doing it to the Cowboys. It's as obvious as can be too anyone who can see over their homer goggles.

I'll stick with the Cowboy's because I've been on this rollercoaster for almost fifty years but thanks for your concern.

That is what the running game can do, the Cowboys running game was non-existent.

Mountaineerfan · May 27, 2019

This is the biggest joke ever. Brady does it all without the need of a great receiver. Brady would have made last years group look like all pro's.

Vtwin · May 27, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
Yeah that Patriots offense was a real juggernaut in the Super Bowl.

Totally the primary reason they won that game.

They ran the ball very well on a team the Cowboy's couldn't run on very well at all.

I wonder why that is.. hmmmmmm.

Vtwin · May 27, 2019

speedkilz88 said:
That is what the running game can do, the Cowboys running game was non-existent.

I wonder why one of the top running games in the league against average competition in the regular season couldn't do squat against a very good defense whereas the pass first Patriots had success running against that same defense... hmmmmmmm.

HungryLion · May 27, 2019

Vtwin said:
They ran the ball very well on a team the Cowboy's couldn't run on very well at all.

I wonder why that is.. hmmmmmm.

Their offensive line outperformed ours. By a wide margin.

Sure having Brady helps create some
Space too.

But again that argument misses the actual point of
The thread. The point of the thread isn’t to say Dak is a better QB than Brady. Why that’s gets lost on some I don’t know.

LACowboysFan1 · May 28, 2019

Vtwin said:
Watch the SB again. Notice how the Patriots ran it down the Rams throat. Why couldn't the Cowboys do that with arguably a much better back and better or at least even o-line?

Lol. Pure emotionally driven, homeristic crap /QUOTE]

Can't convince somebody so just trot out the insults, right? Talk about Lol. But that's fine, doesn't bother me, just so childish.

I"m not trying to convince you, just stating my case. If you don't agree, fine, but my opinion is just as valued as yours.

But as to why the Pats ran better than the Cowboys:

1. Frederick, annually a Pro Bowl player, not playing. Williams, out of position and too weak for guard. Smith with back issues. Collins with a nagging injury. No way the o-line was as good or better.

2. Zeke a better back, yes, but the Cowboys didn't have the line to give him some openings, Anderson had tons of them.

3. Tom Brady, a a 5 time SB winner, 20 years in the league, teams have to respect his ability to find open receivers and read defenses. Goff? Hardly.

Add to that Beasley banged up, not a big part of the offense but a factor, nevertheless. Gallup a rookie, Cooper only with the team a few games, receiving corps not that great.

If you have a run-oriented offense and it is missing vital o-line pieces, the offense isn't going anywhere very far.

But continue to make Dak the reason for no Rams win, sure it'd be nice to have had a Brady or Rodgers, but those guys are few and far between. He has enough abilities to be a competitive NFL quarterback, even if you don't think so, none of us are NFL experts, you may be right, but then I could be too.

Like I've said, this year, barring lots of injuries, even with Moore as a rookie OC, Dak has every opportunity to grow and move up as an NFL starting quarterback, let's revisit again after the season...

pansophy · May 28, 2019

Vtwin said:
I wonder why one of the top running games in the league against average competition in the regular season couldn't do squat against a very good defense whereas the pass first Patriots had success running against that same defense... hmmmmmmm.

If you believe we were wearing the wrong cleats: https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/jerry-jones-cleats/ than that would affect our ability to stop the run and run the ball ourselves.

QuincyCarterEra · May 28, 2019

Vtwin said:
I wonder why one of the top running games in the league against average competition in the regular season couldn't do squat against a very good defense whereas the pass first Patriots had success running against that same defense... hmmmmmmm.

The Patriots had a higher ranked running game than the Cowboys last year.....

Are you saying that Drew Brees sucks because Kamara and Ingram were held to 46 yards total against that same Ram's defense?

CowboysFaninHouston · May 28, 2019

percyhoward said:
Not good, but that would be because most teams that go 1 for 9 on 3rd down usually punt 7-8 times -- not 4, as Dallas did in that game. The Cowboys converted 18 times on downs other than 3rd.

The average team converted on a down other than 3rd in a game 14.1 times in 2018. In other words, the way to make it seem like a poor offensive performance would be to do what you're doing, which is to focus on 3rd down and ignore the other downs.

Doesn't mean that's what you're doing of course.

interesting selective stat presentation...… you know 10 of those non-3rd-down conversions came in the last half of the 4th quarter when the game was pretty much out of reach. Rams playing prevent defense. worse yet, on the first drive we had 3 of those conversions you mention. that's about 8 minutes into the game....so after the first drive and up until rams went into prevent defense. we converted 5!!!! that offense was awful in a game they needed and should have expected to have to step up and score quite a few points....instead, they including Dak had one of the worst offensive outputs of the season...when it counted....

Oh_Canada · May 28, 2019

NewEraCowboy said:
So he had 23 more completions but less yards? Hmm

Yeah so? You choose to ignore every other st

NewEraCowboy said:
So he had 23 more completions but less yards? Hmm

Or you could say, same amount of passes and Dak completed twenty more than Brady????

Ken · May 28, 2019

acr731 said:
No, Dak isn't worth it. QB's shouldn't get credit for 5 yard passes that turn into 80 yard TD's due to YAC.

You mean Dak shouldn't get credit...everyone else it is fine.

jsb357 · May 28, 2019

dude...

CowboysFaninHouston · May 28, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
It also ignores several 4th downs they converted. But again, it’s not like it’s purposeful misrepresentation or anything.

they went

3/4 on 4th downs....
the first one was a 21 yards run....
2nd one was a run for 5 yards
3rd one was a run for 2 yards

a fifth 4th down was a pass which was incomplete, but ended up being a penalty.

still 1/9 on 3rd downs is not good. that's money down for QBs to convert and keep drives alive. ..

we went for it 5 times on 4th downs against the rams. that speaks desperation. 4 of the 5, were rush attempts.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 28, 2019

LACowboysFan1 said:
One more time with the ball means little if their possessions are 8-10-12 plays each, can't go by just how many times they had the ball. You have to have the ball more than a few times to score. Just look at the Bills vs. the Giants in the SB, the Bills had the high scoring offense but with barely 20 minutes with the ball a few three and outs and they simply didn't have time to score enough points.

I did not blame the defense entirely, I said it made it more difficult for the offense.

So Dak missed 3 plays "when it mattered"? Every quarterback makes bad plays in game, I guess you expect perfection from Dak in every critical point, but Roger made mistakes in those circumstances, so did Troy. Ain't happening. Easy to pick out bad plays, they stand out more than good plays, I'm sure I could find plays in the game where Dak made the play work when it didn't go well.

Dak doesn't play the game by himself, the whole "winning quarterback" and "losing quarterback" thing is stupid, it's a team game. The o-line missed blocks and let Dak get sacked, those plays were "plays that mattered" but it wasn't all Dak's fault.

Again, Dak has his faults, but as is usually the case, quarterbacks get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses most of the time.

He's NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. If you can't stand that fact, and if you are so sure he'll never win a SB or even an NFC championship, then better find another team to root for...

dak went 1/9 on 3rd downs when it mattered. he got hot at the end of 4th quarter when he played against prevent defense and game was all but over. he managed a TD on the first drive and then went cold until late in 4th quarter. that's when it mattered.....he missed more than 3 plays....

and you just said dak doesn't play the game by himself, yet, all you dak lovers have posted over and over again his come back stats and his win totals....attributing the wins to Dak...but now, the loss, hey, its not just Dak, its the whole team. its the defense. he doesn't win by himself. he has to have everybody else step up....etc..

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