Dak > Brady (since Amari)

[JoeKing]

I agree hell you can't compare any NFL QB to Brady. However the comparison what was being made only encompassed the 2nd have of the season. Brady is a 19 Year vet entering his 20th season in the NFL while Dak is entering his 4th. If I was going to make a comparison to Brady it would be based on his 1st 3 years in the league not 19 seasons into his career.

I absolutely agree with you about only comparing each player's first three seasons. The same thing should be said when the Romo worshipers try to compare Romo's entire career vs Dak's.

 

[Rockport]

Never mind Brady won his 6th SB, Dak > Brady.

Who exactly said Dak > Brady or are you just making crap up?

 

[Doomsday101]

I absolutely agree with you about only comparing each player's first three seasons. The same thing should be said when the Romo worshipers try to compare Romo's entire career vs Dak's.

Agree. I say that as a fan of Romo. But trying to compare a young raw QB to that of a vet QB is like comparing night and day. Dak was thrown to the wolves day 1 as a 4th rd pick. As a 4th rd pick you will likely have flaws in your game that will need to be addressed and corrected and Dak has worked hard. I think he has room to grow and develop as a QB as he continues to gain experience. Dak has had his share of ups and downs but in the end thus far he has helped lead this team to 2 NFC East division titles in 3 years.

 

[Vtwin]

So the failure to score 20 pts in the first half of the two playoff losses is all on Dak, eh?

You do realize in the Rams game the Rams had the ball for FORTY EIGHT plays in the first half, right? Cowboys? 22. Rams had the ball for over 36 minutes in the game. Bit hard to score a lot of points with 22 plays, unless you're in a high-volume passing offense or your running back is going crazy, like Anderson did in the Rams game.


And the Cowboys lost by a grand total of 8 pts to the Rams. You don't think if the Cowboys had had the ball a couple more times then they couldn't have scored more?

And as far as Zeke and the defense needing to be 100%, this is a run-first offense, of course if the running game isn't going well it's going to be tougher to win. But that's the way the offense is set up, apparently you want a 300 yard, 3 td a game quarterback and nothing else will do.

Well better find another team to root for, because THIS team isn't set up for that.

Look, few here, including myself, think Dak is the one of the top 5 NFL (as the rules are set these days) quarterbacks. He needs to get better. But saying he can't win with a perfect team around him is nonsense, NO team is perfect. Brady can't run, P. Manning had terrible stats his last year, Nick Foles was a career backup, and is anybody saying Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson are sure-fire HOF quarterbacks? Certainly not, but they all won SBs.

Dak ain't going anywhere, and will shortly get a $30 million or better long term deal. It's fine to criticize his play, every quarterback gets criticism, but ridiculous statements like he can't win without a super running game and super defense are just silly....

The Rams had the ball exactly one more time than the Cowboys did.

Maybe if Dak could have made even one more third down conversion the disparity in plays and top would have been closer.

Without going back and rewatching I can recall three instances when Dak missed on plays that were there for the taking. Converting even one of those plays could have made the difference in that very close game.

Blaming the defense entirely is simple minded. Inspite of the terrible stat line they held the fort when it mattered and kept the score down. Only to have the offense put them right back on the field again.

This is what we're going to get from Dak for as long as he is here. Win their share of regular season games and falter against the top competition in the playoffs.

Dak could have and should have won that Rams game.

 

[JoeKing]

Who exactly said Dak > Brady or are you just making crap up?

It's in the title of the thread. Now how about an apology.

 

[Cowboys22]

None of which were Dak's fault.

The Rams loss was either on the defense or coaching. Or both.

Dak played good against the Rams.

No he didn't. You know what a $30 million a year QB does in a playoff game when his defense is sucking and gives up 30 points? He puts up 32 and wins the damn game! That's why Dak isn't worth anywhere near the numbers being discussed. He had both Cooper and Zeke and still got blown out. He is not a top tier QB and should not be paid like one.

 

[lukin2006]

No, we're comparing those numbers during that period of time, nothing more.

Amazing that people continue to not be able to understand that.

Stats mean nothing. It's about winning. Troy Aikman's stats look like nothing compared to today's QB ... but he was a winner when it counts. No one knows if Dak is capable of winning an SB. But I know a 41-year-old Brady is capable...with less offensive talent than Dak...and that is my issue with Dak, if we pay 28 million...then we are looking at another decade of failure. Dak needs high priced talent around him, Brady and elite QB's do not need elite at every position.

 

[Rockport]

It's in the title of the thread. Now how about an apology.

I guess you quit reading after 2 words and react. Quite common these days. If you would have focused for just another second or so and read on you would have read “(Post Amari)”

 

[pansophy]

And what do the numbers shown in this thread show? They show "results". Which you yourself say "People should care less about efficiency and more about results."

That's what we're doing, we're caring about "results", results that show that Dak as an individual, for the time that he had Amari Cooper, had better "results" than the greatest quarterback in the game.

He had better efficiency, which a result, but I put more value on points scored. Only looking after Cooper joined the team we were still only 16th in points scored while New England was 8th.

...and P.S., 3rd down success is crucial to converting efficiency into points.

 

[HungryLion]

I don't blame Dak for that loss... But not long before that... I said the defense has pulled the offense out of bad situations repeatedly this season... At some point it would be on the offense. The defense wasn't going to be there every single game. So when they weren't, we saw what happened.

I agree zero. Football is a team sport. The offense carried the defense in 2016 if you remember.

The point is. People are being hypocritical as can be in this thread.

Let’s be honest too. There’s a difference between a bad defensive game and 273 yards rushing. 273 yards rushing allowed makes it almost impossible to win.

 

[HungryLion]

2 playoff loses where we scored a total of 20 points in the 1st half.
Let's be honest here if Zeke or the Defense isn't at 100% we are NOT winning the game!!!
Now do you dare to ask the leader of our offense Mr. Prescott why that is?
Nah why bother with reality when its easier to live the Dak Dream......

You tried man. I’ll give you that.

At least this wasn’t a YouTube video of a carnival game.

 

[Nexx]

No he didn't. You know what a $30 million a year QB does in a playoff game when his defense is sucking and gives up 30 points? He puts up 32 and wins the damn game! That's why Dak isn't worth anywhere near the numbers being discussed. He had both Cooper and Zeke and still got blown out. He is not a top tier QB and should not be paid like one.

Weren't something like 1 of 13 on third down conversions that game? That's damning stat on the QB in a big playoff game.

 

[pansophy]

The Rams had the ball exactly one more time than the Cowboys did.

Maybe if Dak could have made even one more third down conversion the disparity in plays and top would have been closer.

Without going back and rewatching I can recall three instances when Dak missed on plays that were there for the taking. Converting even one of those plays could have made the difference in that very close game.

Blaming the defense entirely is simple minded. Inspite of the terrible stat line they held the fort when it mattered and kept the score down. Only to have the offense put them right back on the field again.

This is what we're going to get from Dak for as long as he is here. Win their share of regular season games and falter against the top competition in the playoffs.

Dak could have and should have won that Rams game.

I have many complaints about Dak’s play, but I can’t put the Rams game on him when we gave up 250 yards in rushing. Anyone know how teams have won a game giving up that many yards?

 

[HungryLion]

I have many complaints about Dak’s play, but I can’t put the Rams game on him when we gave up 250 yards in rushing. Anyone know how teams have won a game giving up that many yards?

@percyhoward posted the stats. Teams giving up that many rushing yards only win about 4-5% of the time. If I recall correctly. Somewhere around there.

 

[pansophy]

@percyhoward posted the stats. Teams giving up that many rushing yards only win about 4-5% of the time. If I recall correctly. Somewhere around there.

yeah I found an article from 2009 that showed winning about 11% of the time for 200 yards. Didn’t post it because it’s 10 years old, but add another 50+ yards and 5% sounds about right.

 

[Afigueroa22]

We can sit here and pick and choose a couple games with a lot of guys. Shoot, I still don't think Tony got his dues for 2014, he played better than Brady for a whole year. Including the playoffs. It's just that Rodgers played better than both of them. That 2014 DALvsGB had the two best quarterbacks in the league that year, in their prime, duke it out. Special game for sure.

 

[charron]

Dak didnt win in the post season now?
The goal post movers are back folks.

Where are we moving it to today?

he's won a wild card game. you wanna say he's better than brady go ahead.

 

[Cowboys22]

I agree zero. Football is a team sport. The offense carried the defense in 2016 if you remember.

The point is. People are being hypocritical as can be in this thread.

Let’s be honest too. There’s a difference between a bad defensive game and 273 yards rushing. 273 yards rushing allowed makes it almost impossible to win.

You’re right but they also don’t get 273 yards rushing if the offense would have done something with the ball. Keeping the ball and scoring some points would have kept them from running so much and wearing down the defense. The defense totally sucked but Dak didn’t help them by not doing much when we had the ball.

 

[Stash]

He had better efficiency, which a result, but I put more value on points scored. Only looking after Cooper joined the team we were still only 16th in points scored while New England was 8th.

...and P.S., 3rd down success is crucial to converting efficiency into points.

Good, me too. And Dak scored 18 TD's to 13 for Brady.

Thanks for your continued help here.

 

[pansophy]

Good, me too. And Dak scored 18 TD's to 13 for Brady.

Thanks for your continued help here.

And yet somehow the Patriots scored more points. Curious given that we have the leading rusher in the league.