Garrett’s reaction to the Kellen Moore hype

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So he is basically saying the same thing he was saying when they originally announced Kellen would be the OC.....
 
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Moore is setting up to be the next scapegoat for our QB.

But sounds like to me we have fans who are wanting to think a new scheme or playcalling is going to uplift our QB weaknesses.
 
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Idgit said:
Yeah, it’s really weird to suddenly hear Jason Garrett talk about a collaborative approach to building the team all of a sudden. Out of nowhere. For the very first time, ever. Shocking, even.
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I think we’re seeing a reaction to all of the fan hoopla over thinking Moore is going to be the saving grace for this offense overall and specifically our QB.
 
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Right...and Garrett is making himself look smaller and weaker rather than strong by minimizing Moore’s work to improve the offense.

To be fair however, I guess we should all be reminded that this owner/GM has historically emasculated his HC’s ability to be a real leader who makes key decisions.
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They’re all products of a dysfunctional organization and process.
 
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What’s really hypocritical in nature is on one hand we talk about the success this team has had in recent years with team wins touting our QB but in the same breath we bash our HC for the identical accomplishments.

Most HC’s don’t survive rebuilding teams under different QB’s but this HC has now been involved with two playoff contenders in his tenure in a situation these last 20+ years no other Cowboy HC’s have had anymore success.

But we continue to bash him holding him somehow directly responsible for the Cowboys not having more success instead of providing us as much hope as we have under these most unusual circumstances with our ownership.
 
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Diehardblues said:
I think we’re seeing a reaction to all of the fan hoopla over thinking Moore is going to be the saving grace for this offense overall and specifically our QB.
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I think you’re right. Pretend we didn’t all lose our collective minds when they made him position coach in the first place and then pretend the head coach is threatened by him once he promotes him to offensive coordinator. Makes perfect sense in the mind of a “realistic” fan.
 

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A few years back, I remember a pretty in depth discussion about Jason's play calling. At the time, we could see that JG would sometimes make the most brilliant playcalls, but overall just didn't get the flow of the game. Lots of strange playcalls that just didn't make any sense. The line of thought was that JG might make a good advisor to the OC, one who can throw some ideas out there, but needs a football saavy mind to put them into use. My hope is that Moore is that guy. No, we do not know one way or the other at present.
 
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Idgit said:
I think you’re right. Pretend we didn’t all lose our collective minds when they made him position coach in the first place and then pretend the head coach is threatened by him once he promotes him to offensive coordinator. Makes perfect sense in the mind of a “realistic” fan.
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wow if you think JG promoted Kellen, I dont know what to say
 
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Some of you guys like to reach and make nothing into something. This is non sense and a complete waste of time to even discuss. So the 1st time ever OC of the DC is getting help and not doing it all on his own, wow, what a shock. A team that has talked about "collaborative" team building and coaching for, I don't know, the last 8 years is working collaborative again, wow, what a shock. I get that some of you really hate the HC, but come on, this is even more stupid than "he froze his own kicker" which I thought was a dumb as it could get it, but alas, I was wrong.
 
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Cowboy4ever said:
Some of you guys like to reach and make nothing into something. This is non sense and a complete waste of time to even discuss. So the 1st time ever OC of the DC is getting help and not doing it all on his own, wow, what a shock. A team that has talked about "collaborative" team building and coaching for, I don't know, the last 8 years is working collaborative again, wow, what a shock. I get that some of you really hate the HC, but come on, this is even more stupid than "he froze his own kicker" which I thought was a dumb as it could get it, but alas, I was wrong.
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He did ice his own kicker! You could argue that the first kick could have missed and the second kick could have gone through, but it's still a wrong decision. It's like hitting 15 in blackjack when the dealer is showing a 6. Sure the dealer could make a hand and you get a 5 or 6, but everyone at the table knows you played it wrong and they are going to be pissed that you took a card even if you won, because it is the wrong play.
 
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Bobhaze said:
In a very interesting article yesterday by Kevin Sherrington, (of that Dallas newspaper we cannot mention) Jason Garrett is going out of his way this week to ensure that Kellen Moore is NOT perceived as getting too much credit for the “new” offense or that Moore is in total control of the Cowboys offense in 2019.

According to Sherrington, Garrett has more than once this week been careful to say publicly he is (quoting Sherrington) “less interested in a Sean McVay starter kit than in implying the new guy hasn't reinvented anything.”

In his press conference Thursday, when describing the changes being made to the offense this year, Garrett on 3 occasions said, “this work is collaborative.” Some other interesting Garrett quotes from that press conference : "He's (Moore) been with us a few years and he has a good feel for how we want to do things"; "He's not doing it by himself"; and "he’s Injecting some new ideas and finding some old ideas” ... “making it collaborative” ... “to go with what this offense is going to be all about,” and “We’re not recreating our base offense”.

Does this sound like a guy who has turned the keys to the offense over to Kellen Moore?

Whatever Garrett thinks about “his offense”, it was crystal clear last year that something new was needed. Even with the much needed improvement at mid-season from the Amari Cooper trade, the Cowboys finished 22nd in scoring last year. That was the lowest of any other team that made the playoffs. Since 2016, when the Cowboys offense bludgeoned its opponents, the offense has been the most predictable and easy to prepare for in the NFL (Just ask the rams) It’s pretty obvious changes are needed.

So this raises some key questions:
1. Is this Garrett’s message to Kellen Moore or to fans and the media?
2. Why is Garrett so intent on saying publicly that this is still “his offense”?
3. Is Garrett feeling threatened by the presence of Kellen Moore and if so, why?

So far this offseason, the biggest question going into the 2019 season seems to be centered on how much change and new ideas Garrett will allow young Kellen Moore to inject. And...is Garrett feeling threatened?
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It's Garrett's way of issuing a challenge to himself to not give too much control the KM nor do too much himself. He wants this to be a collaborative effort. But that better not be how Jerry sees it if this thing doesn't work out... this is Garrett's offence, so his head is the first to role. I'd let the new coach make the call to let the rest of the coaching staff go or keep some.
 
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JoeKing said:
It's Garrett's way of issuing a challenge to himself to not give too much control the KM nor do too much himself. He wants this to be a collaborative effort. But that better not be how Jerry sees it if this thing doesn't work out... this is Garrett's offence, so his head is the first to role. I'd let the new coach make the call to let the rest of the coaching staff go or keep some.
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Hey Joe it is "Offense" and there is no telling how jerry sees it , he isnt exactly a normal person. And I will believe a new HC when it is announced officially,
not before.I think jones boys are keeping their options open, but more than likely they will keep JG.

My Question is where was the "collaborative effort" to fix the offense the last 5 years?
How come it only happens when Kellen is named OC??

Also if they run play 130b out of one formation before , but now it can be run from 5 different formations, then that is essentially a new play.
And I think Kellen is going to design them.
JG mentioned past plays, so since kellen is using his plays as a base, JG wants credit for it.
I bet Linehan is glad to be out of the circus lol and I think JG held him back from actually being creative.
 
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Garrett cannot come out the winner from this unless he goes to the super bowl or the Conference Final .

1-The offense will most probably improve over last year , which means Garrett has not picked the right coordinators until Moore was forced on him. Which weakens Garrett even more.

2- This means Garrett is expendable and was actually the reason for the offensive shortcomings. Moore could become the coach if Garrett is fired and Sean Payton is not available.

both cases , Garrett has to go if a SB/CCG is not achieved.


Jerry believes Moore is the next McVay . Jerry is upset that his buddy ,Stan Kreonke , owner of the Rams, and a fellow billionaire , who ownes multiple teams in the USA and England ( Aresenal Soccer Club) has managed to reach the super bowl and beat the cowboys convincingly in such a short time , while Kroenke found a rookie young coach and reached in the SB in 2 years , after a big turnaround . This must play on Jerry's psyche and affects his confidence in Garrett , his long term protege that never seems to pan out. In the Billionaires' club world, the only thing they worry about is achievement, bragging ,hubris among themselves. Jerry wants to beat out some of his rival billionaires : Kraft , Kronke,. Cuban, etc.
 
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Hey Joe it is "Offense" and there is no telling how jerry sees it , he isnt exactly a normal person. And I will believe a new HC when it is announced officially,
not before.I think jones boys are keeping their options open, but more than likely they will keep JG.

My Question is where was the "collaborative effort" to fix the offense the last 5 years?
How come it only happens when Kellen is named OC??

Also if they run play 130b out of one formation before , but now it can be run from 5 different formations, then that is essentially a new play.
And I think Kellen is going to design them.
JG mentioned past plays, so since kellen is using his plays as a base, JG wants credit for it.
I bet Linehan is glad to be out of the circus lol and I think JG held him back from actually being creative.
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A typo on the "offence"... please forgive me. There is nothing wrong with wanting Jerry to hold Garrett accountable if this season is not very successful. To your question, it's fair to wonder how Garrett gets a pass when Linehan was fired. It was Garrett's offense then too, wasn't it? And yet he is still here. I think it has to do with the FO not wanting to start all over. JG represents continuity. However you feel about that, good, bad, or indifferent, the Cowboys would not be the aspirational contenders they are right now, with a new hire at HC. I know many of you will respond to that with, "It depends on the new hire at HC". My response is "No it doesn't. You are lying to yourself if you think a NFL HC can win a SB in his first year in that position. Who has ever done that? It takes at least a season to develop rapport with the players.
 
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DandyDon52 said:
Hey Joe it is "Offense" and there is no telling how jerry sees it , he isnt exactly a normal person. And I will believe a new HC when it is announced officially,
not before.I think jones boys are keeping their options open, but more than likely they will keep JG.

My Question is where was the "collaborative effort" to fix the offense the last 5 years?
How come it only happens when Kellen is named OC??

Also if they run play 130b out of one formation before , but now it can be run from 5 different formations, then that is essentially a new play.
And I think Kellen is going to design them.
JG mentioned past plays, so since kellen is using his plays as a base, JG wants credit for it.
I bet Linehan is glad to be out of the circus lol and I think JG held him back from actually being creative.
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And who's hired the "creative" Scott Linehan?
 
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DandyDon52 said:
The circus never ceases to amuse us !
your right, too much info has come out and now JG running his mouth about it, worried about him not getting credit, or moore getting too much credit.
So much has been said, now teams know it is same plays that are being disguised by motions and formations.
It will be easier to figure out now.
JG's ego is as big as Jerrys lol and he wants credit more than he wants to win, just like Jerry!:clap:

It is an issue for me, as I want them to not go past div round, as long as JG is HC, but I also want kellen to look good,
so maybe he can replace JG.
But then I remember Jerry saying he wanted to win JG a SB, and if he did JG would be here forever!
So keep that in mind, if they did win a SB JG will then be HC for the next 20 to 30 years.:thumbdown:

the funny thing was JG saying he didnt need a Sean McVay starter kit, meaning he does not think much of Sean or his offense ! lol:muttley:
Dont need that when you have the great Jason Garret powerhouse offense ! You know the one defenses say they know exactly what we are doing!:thumbup:
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This team is stacked with talent and I believe Dak is ready to take that big step and take over this team.

Jerry has pushed Garrett further and further away from the offense and game time duties. He is basically reduced to organizer off the field, speech giver, happy clapper during games. I think the ONLY thing he does left on game day besides clap is throw the red flag and decide when to punt and go for it. Oh, wait, clock management also. Ok, so he can still screw some things up, but at least we have Moore in here to make important changes.

I just don't think Garrett will get fired. If we make the playoffs, then I think he gets his new contract. If Dak went down and we missed the playoffs I think he gets resigned.

Jerry wants a puppet and Garrett is his ULTIMATE puppet. For whatever reason.

My hope is that after a good year from Moore, Jerry allow Moore to take make even more changes to the offense.
 
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