Kerry Hyder is really muddling things up

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Quinn is more of a pass rush specialist. Maybe Hyder, or someone else, beats out Crawford at RDE in the base. We have a lot of them.

But at DT, even with Hill and Crawford, I still only see 3 pass rushers, counting Maliek. And Crawford is probably be the best of the 3 today.

I don't see Crawford leaving yet. And next year, Maliek likely leaves (although I'd try to sign him cheap *now* to an extension).
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Quinn is a better run-down player than a lot of people think.

Here's how I see the line playing out:

Quinn and Lawrence are clearly the starting ends. I think Hyder is going to be the primary rotation player at left end and Armstrong at right end. Charlton could get one of those jobs if he steps up or Hyder or Armstrong falters. Or Crawford could be out there, primarily on some run downs if none of the backups proves to be better.

On the interior, Woods is our starting NT, and I think Covington will line up at 3-tech on clear running downs. Collins could beat him out for that role, but I don't think Collins is great against the run and with his injury history, it may best to limit him to passing downs ... for now. At the beginning of the season, I see Hyder and Collins/Crawford as the primary pass-rushing DTs, with Hill eventually becoming comfortable enough to push Collins/Crawford to lesser roles.

So that gives me (10):

Ends: Lawrence, Quinn, Hyder, Armstrong, Charlton, Crawford
Tackles: Woods, Covington, Hyder, Collins, Crawford, Hill

The wild cards are Joe Jackson and Daniel Wise. If one (or both) show well, then we'll have to make a decision about Charlton, Crawford and/or Collins. Then, of course, there's the Gregory suspension, which I don't expect to change because he was suspended under the current rules.
 
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Whyjerry said:
The DL is very overcrowded here in Dallas. Reports out of camp say that Hyder looks great. He did have himself a season a couple years ago in Detroit. One or 2 of the following are not going to be on this team unless the injury bug thins the herd...

Crawford, Woods, Taco, Armstrong, Covington, and Gregory.

I added Gregory because we just don’t know. If the league suspends him for the season and these other guys play well (Taco/Armstrong/Hyder), how can you continue to carry him?

A surprise is lurking here for sure.

What say you?
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DL and OL reports before pads come on in earnest should be ignored.
 
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stasheroo said:
Me and everyone hoping for production.

0 sacks from the RDE position vs starting offensive tackles over the past two years. If someone else is happy with that? Good for them and their low standards.
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I've always said that Crawford needs to play inside at 3-tech where he has enough quickness and power to be decent as a pass rusher. The only reason he has played end is simply because we haven't had better options, especially in run defense. Hopefully, we do this year.

At this point, he's king of the hill for a spot in the rotation, either at RDE, 3-tech or both, until someone knocks him off. That's up to Charlton and Armstrong at RDE on run downs, I believe (with Hyder primarily backing up Lawrence at LDE) and Hyder and Hill at 3-tech on pass downs. Otherwise, he will be the one out there in relief of Quinn and lining up next to Collins at 3-tech on pass downs.

I'd like for those players to prove to be better because Crawford is an upgradable player. However, so far we just haven't had players prove to be an upgrade to solid but not spectacular.
 
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Toruk_Makto said:
DL and OL reports before pads come on in earnest should be ignored.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with reporting that a player is looking quick or big. At least they are showing something. But overall, I agree that it doesn't mean much at this point.
 
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exciter said:
Like I said, unless they can play it off in a trade, I don't see them moving on from him after only 2 seasons. He'll get this year and probably next if Garrett is still the coach. Staff doesn't much like admitting even to themselves they were wrong!
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Is there any chance whatsoever that you could be wrong? Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but anything's possible. While it's 100% true that they don't normally ditch a player so quickly, I simply think there's a chance they'll abandon their normal routine. Taco has surely been extremely ineffective. His attitude has also become a turnoff to many of those in and outside of the organization. Don't be offended, OK? It wasn't my intention to minimize your knowledge. I think there's an outside chance he'll be shown the door if the poor play continues in TC and yes, a trade is a possibility. We'll see.
 
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Bullflop said:
Is there any chance whatsoever that you could be wrong? Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but anything's possible. While it's 100% true that they don't normally ditch a player so quickly, I simply think there's a chance they'll abandon their normal routine. Taco has surely been extremely ineffective. His attitude has also become a turnoff to many of those in and outside of the organization. Don't be offended, OK? It wasn't my intention to minimize your knowledge. I think there's an outside chance he'll be shown the door if the poor play continues in TC and yes, a trade is a possibility. We'll see.
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Lol! Hell no I'm never wrong. You didn't rub me in anyway tired and couldn't come up with a better response to follow up!
 
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stasheroo said:
Me and everyone hoping for production.

0 sacks from the RDE position vs starting offensive tackles over the past two years. If someone else is happy with that? Good for them and their low standards.
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And he's been dominant against the run from the position. He's put up sacks from the 3tech when moved inside or passing downs!
 
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exciter said:
And he's been dominant against the run from the position.
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I'd love to see stats that support this claim? How "dominant" was he out there against the Rams in the playoffs? Try a complete liability.

He's put up sacks from the 3tech when moved inside or passing downs!
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Yep, and all of those have had to be manufactured by scheme design! Every one of his 2018 sacks came because the scheme used stunts to free him up. None of them were the result of Crawford actually defeating the man in front of him.

You're talking with someone who's done his homework on the subject.
 
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Is there any chance whatsoever that you could be wrong? Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but anything's possible. While it's 100% true that they don't normally ditch a player so quickly, I simply think there's a chance they'll abandon their normal routine. Taco has surely been extremely ineffective. His attitude has also become a turnoff to many of those in and outside of the organization. Don't be offended, OK? It wasn't my intention to minimize your knowledge. I think there's an outside chance he'll be shown the door if the poor play continues in TC and yes, a trade is a possibility. We'll see.
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You are a polite poster.

That's refreshing.
 

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I'd love to see stats that support this claim? How "dominant" was he out there against the Rams in the playoffs? Try a complete liability.



Yep, and all of those have had to be manufactured by scheme design! Every one of his 2018 sacks came because the scheme used stunts to free him up. None of them were the result of Crawford actually defeating the man in front of him.

You're talking with someone who's done his homework on the subject.
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Crawford was overpaid at the time we were falling for the fallacy that all it takes is effort from DLiners, esp. DT. He's a leftover. He'd be welcome here as a nice rotational player for a couple mil/season or so.
 
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rags747 said:
Gregory ain’t going anywhere, those that count love him plus having God given talent that he has certainly provides a longer leash. He smokes weed, the whole freaking works is smoking weed and the nfl is about 25 years late to the party.
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He doesn’t need to go anywhere. If he’s suspended, he doesn’t count against the 53-man roster, and he’s currently suspended. He also isn’t accumulating contract years toward fee agency with these suspensions.

There’s absolutely 0 reasons to cut him, especially with what he has shown when he actually plays.

Taco isn’t making this team, however. I disagree about Crawford being untouchable - I think it’s probable that he makes the team, but if the youngin’s show something special, he could be a casualty.
 
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So maybe this is a good thing?
 

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Collins is better when healthy. He is very under-rated. He has been forced to play 1-tech at times which is not his position.

Collins and Crawford are both likely gone in 2020. I don't think Collins being on the final year of his contract affects their thoughts on Crawford. That decision is all about 2019.

I think Crawford will primarily practice at DE in training camp; however, I think his fate is more tied to Collins and Hill. If Collins is injured before game 1 then Crawford almost definitely stays. If Hill is not ready then that also keeps Crawford on the roster.

Crawford and Hyder both have position flex between DE and 3-tech; however, of those 2 Hyder is the better DE and Crawford the better DT based on past performance.

Covington played 5-tech in Houston's 3-4. It's hard to say from watching his game footage if he will be better at 3-tech or 1-tech. For many 4-3 defenses I think he would be a 3-tech but with Marinelli he fits the mold as a 1-tech. He is definitely more of a 1-tech than Collins. Crawford not at all a 1-tech.

My gut feeling (if all DL stay healthy) is that only 2 or these 3 are on the 53:
Crawford
Hyder
Covington

They will want to keep some young developing players like Armstrong and/or Joe Jackson but most years with Marinelli they've just kept 9 DL at the initial cuts.
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We have a bazillion DEs. I read last night Marinelli praising Quinn's run defense, so Crawford just got even less needed at DE to me.

Crawford is needed at pass rush DT. He's probably still our best. I don't see you offering much reason to think otherwise.

Covington is a negligible pass rush threat. He's a two gapper in a 4-3. Really not a fit for us. He's the guy I expect to be gone. He's veteran insurance against injury to other players.
 

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gimmesix said:
Quinn is a better run-down player than a lot of people think.

Here's how I see the line playing out:

Quinn and Lawrence are clearly the starting ends. I think Hyder is going to be the primary rotation player at left end and Armstrong at right end. Charlton could get one of those jobs if he steps up or Hyder or Armstrong falters. Or Crawford could be out there, primarily on some run downs if none of the backups proves to be better.

On the interior, Woods is our starting NT, and I think Covington will line up at 3-tech on clear running downs. Collins could beat him out for that role, but I don't think Collins is great against the run and with his injury history, it may best to limit him to passing downs ... for now. At the beginning of the season, I see Hyder and Collins/Crawford as the primary pass-rushing DTs, with Hill eventually becoming comfortable enough to push Collins/Crawford to lesser roles.

So that gives me (10):

Ends: Lawrence, Quinn, Hyder, Armstrong, Charlton, Crawford
Tackles: Woods, Covington, Hyder, Collins, Crawford, Hill

The wild cards are Joe Jackson and Daniel Wise. If one (or both) show well, then we'll have to make a decision about Charlton, Crawford and/or Collins. Then, of course, there's the Gregory suspension, which I don't expect to change because he was suspended under the current rules.
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I grant your point on Quinn on run defense. I read last night Marinelli praising Quinn's run defense. That makes him a credible starting RDE in the base.

You're showing Covington with a very limited role. I don't think it's enough. He's the guy on the bubble. Good chance Ross bumps him.
 
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