What's gonna happen at WR?

buybuydandavis said:

Brown is a teeny tiny blocking TE who has given nothing as a WR. For a teeny tiny blocking TE, Brown blocks well, but we've got actual TEs who block better and are bigger receiving threats.

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if used right, he can create mismatches. he has good size, but not the speed and a great blocker, so if he is lined up against a CB, they can bring him in the slot or close to the LOE as a 2nd TE and he can easily block from that formation. if they start him in the slot or tight in the formation and they have a safety or LB lined up against him, then they can move him out or have him run a route against the LB who in this case maybe mismatched against a WR. we didn't use him much, didn't move him much and when he was in we telegraphed our play....if he was in tight or in the slot, we almost ran all the time. he was primarily a blocker. its all about creating mismatches and he can provide that mostly because of his blocking ability that allows us to kind of use him as a small TE

buybuydandavis said:

Brown is a teeny tiny blocking TE who has given nothing as a WR. For a teeny tiny blocking TE, Brown blocks well, but we've got actual TEs who block better and are bigger receiving threats.

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He does great comebacks and in/out cuts. Learn to watch.

Rayman70 said:

Brown will be an H-BACK TE /wr hybrid.

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buybuydandavis said:

Brown is gone. Teeny tiny blocking TE who has shown nothing as a WR.

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OmerV said:

The Brown at TE idea has been floating around this board a couple of years, and I understand the thinking to a point.
Of course, I suppose Brown could be the emergency TE in a pinch if there were injuries.

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starfan1 said:

They can also either make Noah brown a TE or send him packing dude is a great blocker his skillset beyond that is average

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Defenses play Nickel with Brown in the game.

When the Cowboys use the same players but replace Brown with a 2nd TE, defenses play base with 3 LBs.

Brown totally crushes most Strong Safeties and wins his fair share of blocks against LBs.

Brown is a unique player as a blocking WR.

Having him bulk up to play TE would just make him a small TE.

Brown does need show something as a receiver, however...

More concerned about TE

Rayman70 said:

Brown will be an H-BACK TE /wr hybrid.

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buybuydandavis said:

Brown is gone. Teeny tiny blocking TE who has shown nothing as a WR.

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OmerV said:

The Brown at TE idea has been floating around this board a couple of years, and I understand the thinking to a point.
Of course, I suppose Brown could be the emergency TE in a pinch if there were injuries.

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starfan1 said:

They can also either make Noah brown a TE or send him packing dude is a great blocker his skillset beyond that is average

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Oddly, Browns biggest competition is likely Tony Pollard.

Both Pollard and Brown would fit well with the Rams.

It seems obvious that Moore plans to do some things similar to the Rams.

There were some common elements between Boise St., Memphis and the Rams.
They all did some unique things with skill position players in the running game.

I believe that Kellen Moore called the plays in the "meaningless" game 16 when they rested some starters.
There were plays in that game that had a similar "feel" to some plays used by Rams/Memphis/Boise-St.

xwalker said:

Brown is a unique player as a blocking WR.

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on this team he is, when Dooley, Dez, and Twill left the best run blocking WRs in the NFL left

BTW, that had a huge impact on Zeke in 2018

that said, I'm doubt he has the play making ability to make this unit

Number1 said:

X - Cooper
Y - Gallup
Z - Cobb

ok, that's 1st string, then what?
Austin, Brown, Davis, Guyton, Hurns, Johnson, Lenoir, Smith, Wilson?

assuming 5 game day WRs ... even 6, who are the other 3?
Note, Pollard can play WR if needed

I hope it will be these guys come game 1

X - Cooper,
Wilson (a natural X)
Y - Gallup,
Guyton (best athlete in the bunch)
Z - Cobb,
Austin / Davis (too much speed to cut)

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7 WRs is a big crew. I just don't see it happening. We have depth at many positions so the cuts are going to be rough to make this year. I just don't see WR a position we go deep with. Maybe OL or DL but not WR.

xwalker said:

Defenses play Nickel with Brown in the game.

When the Cowboys use the same players but replace Brown with a 2nd TE, defenses play base with 3 LBs.

Brown totally crushes most Strong Safeties and wins his fair share of blocks against LBs.

Brown is a unique player as a blocking WR.

Having him bulk up to play TE would just make him a small TE.

Brown does need show something as a receiver, however...

A blocking WR does not need to be a significant threat as a receiver.
A blocking TE is often not a significant threat as a receiver.
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I think people assume that a strong blocking WR would be a strong blocking TE if he bulked up a little - assuming he was a large WR of course. I don't know that this is necessarily true, because a blocking receiver is mostly blocking smaller players (DBs/OLBs) whereas a blocking TE has to take on DE's as well. That's a pretty big difference.

Number1 said:

on this team he is, when Dooley, Dez, and Twill left the best run blocking WRs in the NFL left

BTW, that had a huge impact on Zeke in 2018

that said, I'm doubt he has the play making ability to make this unit

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I'll have to disagree on Dez being a good run blocker.
TWill was a good blocker but not close to Brown in that regard.

I wouldn't say Zeke struggled in 2018.

Number1 said:

X - Cooper
Y - Gallup
Z - Cobb

ok, that's 1st string, then what?
Austin, Brown, Davis, Guyton, Hurns, Johnson, Lenoir, Smith, Wilson?

assuming 5 game day WRs ... even 6, who are the other 3?
Note, Pollard can play WR if needed

I hope it will be these guys come game 1

X - Cooper,
Wilson (a natural X)
Y - Gallup,
Guyton (best athlete in the bunch)
Z - Cobb,
Austin / Davis (too much speed to cut)

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We will be using the TEs and & RBs more in the receiving game so after #3 WR won’t get much rep. I still like the guy we picked UDFA for a deep threat

It's funny everyone chiming in about Austin being injury prone(he had missed 5 games in the his 5 seasons prior to last year) and should be cut, yet have Cobb as a lock lmao

Ideally, Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Wilson, Guyton

xwalker said:

Oddly, Browns biggest competition is likely Tony Pollard.

Pollard was often used as an lead blocker for Darrell Henderson in college.
Not the FB type of lead blocking but more of an open field lead blocker.
Pollard and Brown are much different types of blockers.
They would use different plays with Pollard than with Brown, however...
There is some crossover such that Pollard's blocking could limit Brown's opportunities.​

Both Pollard and Brown would fit well with the Rams.

The Rams use WR blocking as an integral part of their plays, whereas...
Most teams just ask their WRs to get in the way for a split second.​

It seems obvious that Moore plans to do some things similar to the Rams.

I've studied Boise State games with Kellen Moore.
I've studied Memphis games with Pollard.

Kellen Moore reportedly loved Pollard in the draft.​

I've studied the Rams from 2018.​

There were some common elements between Boise St., Memphis and the Rams.
They all did some unique things with skill position players in the running game.

I believe that Kellen Moore called the plays in the "meaningless" game 16 when they rested some starters.
There were plays in that game that had a similar "feel" to some plays used by Rams/Memphis/Boise-St.

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Interesting about Pollard as a lead blocker. I like the sound of that a lot. Give me the multi threats.

Garrett has always had the jumbo package attitude toward blocking. Get as many big players packed in the middle of the field that you can.

I'd rather rather force smaller players on the field, spread them out, and actually use them. The best block is the on that simply positions the defenders out of range of the play.

It's big If Pollard can block *in addition* to providing a threat defenses have to account for. Brown entirely lacks threat. When teams figure that out, they'll just put LBs on him and have the advantage in the run game.

FuzzyLumpkins said:

He does great comebacks and in/out cuts. Learn to watch.

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If you're right, it's Dak who needs to learn to watch to make use of Noah Fantastic.

Dak only targeted him 8 times. You gotta let him know about how wonderful Noah is.

xwalker said:

Brown does need show something as a receiver, however...

A blocking WR does not need to be a significant threat as a receiver.
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A blocking WR who is not a threat as a WR is a very very very small T.

Brown is excellent on ST's. Gives him a leg up, unless some other WR just shows too much in preseason to cut. At present, I can't imagine who it would be.

buybuydandavis said:

If you're right, it's Dak who needs to learn to watch to make use of Noah Fantastic.

Dak only targeted him 8 times. You gotta let him know about how wonderful Noah is.

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Watch him run routes and get back to me. You're trying to backdoor using stats as opposed to direct observation.

xwalker said:

Oddly, Browns biggest competition is likely Tony Pollard.

Pollard was often used as an lead blocker for Darrell Henderson in college.
Not the FB type of lead blocking but more of an open field lead blocker.
Pollard and Brown are much different types of blockers.
They would use different plays with Pollard than with Brown, however...
There is some crossover such that Pollard's blocking could limit Brown's opportunities.​

Both Pollard and Brown would fit well with the Rams.

The Rams use WR blocking as an integral part of their plays, whereas...
Most teams just ask their WRs to get in the way for a split second.​

It seems obvious that Moore plans to do some things similar to the Rams.

I've studied Boise State games with Kellen Moore.
I've studied Memphis games with Pollard.

Kellen Moore reportedly loved Pollard in the draft.​

I've studied the Rams from 2018.​

There were some common elements between Boise St., Memphis and the Rams.
They all did some unique things with skill position players in the running game.

I believe that Kellen Moore called the plays in the "meaningless" game 16 when they rested some starters.
There were plays in that game that had a similar "feel" to some plays used by Rams/Memphis/Boise-St.

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agree

buybuydandavis said:

Cobb's yards per target in 2018 were worse than any WR or TE still with the team. Including Rico.

Everyone is saying how wonderful he is here. Such great chemistry with Dak. Maybe it's true. Maybe he was injured last year and is fully healthy now.

But in Cobb's last *4* years with Aaron Rogers as QB he was mediocre in ypt, with his *best* season at 7.3. That only beats Schultz, Brown, and Gathers in 2018.

Repeat. Cobb's *best* ypt in the last four years only beats Schultz, Brown, and Gathers.

We shouldn't be banking on Cobb as a major threat.

And note that the NFL free agent market sure as hell didn't think Cobb was an upgrade over Beasley.

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Cobb's issue was 2018 when he played through an injury and missed 7 games.

Taking out 2018 for Cobb makes an easy comparison with Beasley
because it's then the same number of years.

Below is a comparison of Cobb and Beasley for the first 7 years of their careers.

Cobb is better in all of the categories/years below except Yards per Game in 2016.

Note: 2011/12 is 2011 for Cobb and 2012 for Beasley.

Rec per Game
Year …...... Cobb .. Beasley ... Diff
2011/12 ….. 1.67 ….. 1.50 ….. 0.17
2012/13 ….. 5.33 ….. 2.79 ….. 2.55
2013/14 ….. 5.17 ….. 2.31 ….. 2.85
2014/15 ….. 5.69 ….. 3.25 ….. 2.44
2015/16 ….. 4.94 ….. 4.69 ….. 0.25
2016/17 ….. 4.62 ….. 2.40 ….. 2.22
2017/18 ….. 4.40 ….. 4.06 ….. 0.34

Yards per Game
Year …....... Cobb ….. Beasley .... Diff
2011/12 ….. 25.00 ….. 12.80 ….. 12.20
2012/13 ….. 63.60 ….. 26.29 ….. 37.31
2013/14 ….. 72.17 ….. 26.25 ….. 45.92
2014/15 ….. 80.44 ….. 33.50 ….. 46.94
2015/16 ….. 51.81 ….. 52.06 ….. -0.25
2016/17 ….. 46.92 ….. 20.93 ….. 25.99
2017/18 ….. 43.53 ….. 42.00 ….. 1.53

TDs per Game
Year …...... Cobb .. Beasley ... Diff
2011/12 ….. 0.07 ….. 0.00 ….. 0.07
2012/13 ….. 0.53 ….. 0.14 ….. 0.39
2013/14 ….. 0.67 ….. 0.25 ….. 0.42
2014/15 ….. 0.75 ….. 0.31 ….. 0.44
2015/16 ….. 0.38 ….. 0.31 ….. 0.07
2016/17 ….. 0.31 ….. 0.27 ….. 0.04
2017/18 ….. 0.27 ….. 0.19 ….. 0.08

Rayman70 said:

Bet we keep 8 wr's...and fling the rock all over this year. Dak will need to be steady.

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Have you seen him play? He is not a sit in the pocket and throw darts QB by any stretch of the imagination.