The NFL Awaits the Arrival of Trevor Lawrence

Flamma said:

But aren't those NBA teams also garbage? How many times does a talented team in the NBA tank? Instead of tanking the Cowboys would have to trade up. And trading up that high would cost a fortune. The guy better not be a bust.

Consider the OPs idea but switch tanking for trading up. Dak still has his chance over the next two seasons. It's not a terrible idea. Just risky and comes at a high cost. It's also not going to happen.

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lk8701 said:

Then why is it ok in the NBA? NBA teams tank all the time. In the NBA there is no guarantee to land the 1st pick since it's a lottery. In the NFL tanking will directly lead to the 1st pick in the draft.

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lk8701 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/11/trevor-lawrence-clemson-2021-nfl-draft

Let Dak play out his rookie deal this upcoming season. Then use the franchise tag on him and trade him for draft picks in the 2021 draft. Just tank the entire 2020 season and draft Trevor Lawrence. We will have a dynasty with Lawrence on a cost controlled rookie deal for 5 years. We can also re-sign all of our young studs. I think the Cowboys would win at least 3 Super Bowls if they are fortunate enough to avoid major injuries.

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revospeed said:

He hasn’t impressed me all that much. As a general rule, unless they are extremely physically gifted, stay away from QB who come from college teams stacked full of NFL talent, especially when it comes to trading up in the first. Wasn’t Elway’s Stanford team 7-6? Peyton Manning’s Tennessee team got blown out a couple times his senior year.

Any QB can look good with talent like Clemson and Alabama has. Kelly Bryant led Clemson to the CFP and is now having trouble at Missouri. When you’re playing with a RB going to the NFL and 4 receivers who will get drafted, and you’re playing a team with maybe 2 NFL players on the roster of course you’ll look good. Not saying he won’t be a good player, but put away the anointing oil for a freshman who didn’t start the entire year and might only look good due to the talent around him.

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Johnny23 said:

Peyton Manning's Tennessee teams were stacked. Manning got blown out by Florida could never beat them and the 1997 Nebraska team apart of their title run from 94-97 when they won 3 National titles in 4. years That team was 11-2 and won the sec championship. Florida State should have played Nebraska in that Orange Bowl but the greatest game in the swamp happen. Tennessee won the first bcs championship in 1998 going 13-0 . That 1997 team had several NFL players including mlb Al Wilson.

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revospeed said:

Sure. But who was Peyton throwing to? Peerless Price? He had a respectable career in the NFL, but he was the only receiver that was actually drafted. I’d bet at least three of Lawrence's WRs get drafted, along with two of his running backs. The sheer amount of talent around him is ridiculous. Kelly Bryant only lost two games with that talent and now he’s having a tougher time at Missouri.

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Johnny23 said:

They lost the national championship to arguably the greatest college team ever dude. Plus Peyton was handing the ball off to Jamal Lewis.

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revospeed said:

I’d still take the 2018 Clemson team over the 1997 Tennessee team. And even then, that’s the exception, not the rule. If you look at the greatest college teams of all time, you’ll see their QBs don’t really make it in the NFL.

1995 Nebraska- Tommie Frazier
1972 USC- Mike Rae
2001 Miami- Ken Dorsey
2005 Texas- Vince Young
2004 USC- Matt Leinart
1987 Miami- Steve Walsh
The Alabama teams with McCarron and Coker
1999 Florida State- Chris Weinke

Just naming a few stacked teams that made their QB look good.

Then you take into account the best QBs currently in the NFL and you notice hardly any of them care from programs with talent like Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State have.

Mahomes went to Tech
Wentz went to NDSU
Matt Ryan went to BC
Roethlisberger went to Miami of Ohio
Rivers went to NC State
Wilson went to Wisconsin
Brees went to Purdue
Goff went to Cal
Rodgers went to Cal
Cam Newton went to Auburn, but he overshadowed all the talent there
Ect...

Watson and Jameis Winston are really the only exceptions to this general rule, where you have a starting NFL QB that came from a school with a talent level that’s comparable to the talent surrounding Lawrence.

Brady and Luck went to programs that had great talent, but not to the level of Clemson.

My main point is that a team should be leery of drafting a QB in the first round (and especially if you’re trading up) if that QB was surrounded by talent and never had to take over the game by himself. Lawrence isn’t going to have the talent around him like he has at Clemson, and maybe tap the breaks on a freshman who hasn’t been asked to carry the team like he will in the NFL. And if you’re not going to ask him to carry the team, don’t trade up for him.

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CATCH17 said:

I disagree.

I feel like first and foremost you take the players individual talent in your decision to draft them over everything. What team they are on, the system they were in, and their opponents can battle it out for a distant 2nd in importance.

I see a lot of holding a players competition against them on this forum. It was done with Carson Wentz and it was done with our very own Leighton Vander Esch. People wanted to ignore that they were freak talents because of their competition even though they produced at a very high level.

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revospeed said:

I completely agree that you should look at players individually. However, my contention is that I don't think that Lawrence is a generational talent based off what I've seen. Yes, he has looked good for a few games, but you also have to look at the talent around him and think maybe that was the reason why. More often than not, if a team has monstrous talent on both sides of the ball, the QB doesn't need to be a great talent to look good.

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lk8701 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/11/trevor-lawrence-clemson-2021-nfl-draft

Let Dak play out his rookie deal this upcoming season. Then use the franchise tag on him and trade him for draft picks in the 2021 draft. Just tank the entire 2020 season and draft Trevor Lawrence. We will have a dynasty with Lawrence on a cost controlled rookie deal for 5 years. We can also re-sign all of our young studs. I think the Cowboys would win at least 3 Super Bowls if they are fortunate enough to avoid major injuries.

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lk8701 said:

Rookie Andrew Luck led his team to an impressive 11-5 record and a playoff berth. The team finished 2-14 the previous season.

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Johnny23 said:

@revospeed

Peyton Manning's Tennessee teams were stacked. Manning got blown out by Florida could never beat them and the 1997 Nebraska team apart of their title run from 94-97 when they won 3 National titles in 4. years That team was 11-2 and won the sec championship. Florida State should have played Nebraska in that Orange Bowl but the greatest game in the swamp happen. Tennessee won the first bcs championship in 1998 going 13-0 . That 1997 team had several NFL players including mlb Al Wilson.

Chad Clifton
Al Wilson
Peerless Price
Jamal Lewis
Leonard Little
Shaun Ellis
Deon Grant
Travis Henry
Terry Fair
Corey Gaines
And Dallas Cowboys very own Dwayne Goodrich were on that 1997 team.

Al Wilson
Chad Clifton
Shaun Ellis
Peyton Manning
Jamal Lewis
Leonard Little

We're the NFL stand outs. Those Tennessee teams were stacked. Peyton still choked then in big games too.

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ActualCowboysFan said:

Those were some squads. That's why Witten went to Tennessee.

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lk8701 said:

Great question. I would fire JG and promote Marinelli to head coach. He already has a 0-16 season on his resume. I would then sign Jamarcus Russell to be the starting QB. This elite head coach/QB tank combination would ensure the 1st pick in the 2021 draft.

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ActualCowboysFan said:

Those were some squads. That's why Witten went to Tennessee.

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Hardline said:

I would kill to have Trevor Lawrence but he will never be a Cowboy in a million years.

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