People need to stop wishing our talent away

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 21, 2019

Kingofholland said:
Yes anytime a good player asks for money our feelings get hurt and we want to trade them, lol. Good thing the Cowboys don't always listen to our fan base otherwise we would be putting out Mike White, handing off to Mike Weber this season.

Honestly, I don't think this is true. I mean, a lot of good players have asked for more money, over the years. That's not new.

kskboys · Jul 21, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Our rushing attack in 2015 was good, from every conceivable measure.

The most important being:

So while it wasnt as good as previous years, it was still a strong until with Randle and McFadden being the two main contributors.

Now for our pass offense we were dead last in many measures, the most important being pass DVOA
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff2015

Our rushing game in 2015 gave us a chance to win as it was top 10 in the league and better than the rushing game with Zeke in 2018.
Our passing game was dead last and was the reason we lost in 2015.

We've already discussed this and we're not going go agree, so........been fishin' lately?

superonyx · Jul 21, 2019

ksadler1 said:
I'll bet you any amount of money you'd like to bet that if l took over the HC job right now l could go 25 years without winning a SB. Would that make me a smart GM like Jerry? As a matter of fact, I'd actually improve this team on my first day. I'd get rid of Garrett...

Can we bet a dollar?

ksadler1 said:
So people that would like to see a real coach brought in are the "whiney minority" ? I can't wait to see the excuses for keeping him next year. But there is hope that the blind squirrel will finally find the nut...

what in the world are you talking about?
Where was this conversation even about the coach?

GimmeTheBall! · Jul 21, 2019

JW82 said:
We haven’t had a back like Zeke since Emmitt. People keep acting like we can win with any back. I guess you can survive with a mediocre back, but I’ll take the stud player any day. Obviously we have a cap, but the line is set for years so they should try their best to keep these triplets together for at least 5 years.

Dak has had a tremendous start to his career and will keep getting better. People that act like he’s a bum are nuts.

Lets win a superbowl before we start talking about breaking up the team.

you are correct, Zeke is a good back.
the question is, can we make him play for us if his asking price is not OK'd?

PA Cowboy Fan · Jul 21, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
Being results oriented is usually good.

Using unlikely results to paper over bad decisions is always bad.

If that's the case than Romo was a waste because we won nothing with him. In fact every player this century has been a waste if that's the case.

Howboutdemcowboys31 · Jul 21, 2019

JW82 said:
We haven’t had a back like Zeke since Emmitt. People keep acting like we can win with any back. I guess you can survive with a mediocre back, but I’ll take the stud player any day. Obviously we have a cap, but the line is set for years so they should try their best to keep these triplets together for at least 5 years.

Dak has had a tremendous start to his career and will keep getting better. People that act like he’s a bum are nuts.

Lets win a superbowl before we start talking about breaking up the team.

Your last sentence is exactly how I feel. Let’s win one and enjoy a title then who the hell cares who wants more money

Toruk_Makto · Jul 21, 2019

PA Cowboy Fan said:
If that's the case than Romo was a waste because we won nothing with him. In fact every player this century has been a waste if that's the case.

I have no idea how you read my post and came up with this reply. I really don't.

QuincyCarterEra · Jul 21, 2019

Teams have caught up that workhorse backs aren't efficient nor help you win games. We are the slackers. Zeke had 15+ in all 15 games he played. Ugh

cowboyec · Jul 21, 2019

I want it ALL......NOW!!!!!
Dak.
Zeke.
Cooper.
Jones.
Collins.
ALL OF'M.
:starspin:

COWBOY 4-EVER :starspin:

HoplessCowboysFan36 · Jul 21, 2019

IndianaCowboys1994 said:
Bottom line-Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott are going to be Cowboys for a while.

Lets hope. I can get behind that

RustyBourneHorse · Jul 21, 2019

Exactly, and i think that, those who wish them away, will look back a few years from now and regret wishing away what we have been building.

Proof · Jul 21, 2019

IndianaCowboys1994 said:
I just don't get why Dallas can't have Dak AND Zeke? I think they go together pretty well. Dallas has their line locked up for a while as well as defensive talent. Sign one of Amari/Jaylon/Byron, keep drafting well (our track record since 2010 is pretty good), and they SHOULD win at least one Super Bowl, assuming Garrett is gone. I say from 2019-2024 is a legit Super Bowl window.

You lost me at sign ONE of Jaylon and Amari.

IndianaCowboys1994 · Jul 22, 2019

Proof said:
You lost me at sign ONE of Jaylon and Amari.

If they can sign both, do it! I just don't know how they can keep everyone.

Proof · Jul 22, 2019

IndianaCowboys1994 said:
If they can sign both, do it! I just don't know how they can keep everyone.

In that scenario I’d have no qualms losing Byron. Gotta keep those two though.

PA Cowboy Fan · Jul 22, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
I have no idea how you read my post and came up with this reply. I really don't.

Than I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Sydla · Jul 22, 2019

JW82 said:
We haven’t had a back like Zeke since Emmitt. People keep acting like we can win with any back. I guess you can survive with a mediocre back, but I’ll take the stud player any day. Obviously we have a cap, but the line is set for years so they should try their best to keep these triplets together for at least 5 years.

Dak has had a tremendous start to his career and will keep getting better. People that act like he’s a bum are nuts.

Lets win a superbowl before we start talking about breaking up the team.

It's not about wishing talent away. It's about understanding the concept of returns on investment, cap implications, etc.

People need to get out of this silly world where just because some fans think it's OK to let a player go, that means they hate the player. That's not the case for most. It's simply about understanding the reality that paying a TB a huge amount of money might not be the smartest thing in the world. It also could have implications for other players down the road - Byron Jones, Jaylon Smith, etc.

In terms of return on investment, as I showed in other threads, over the last decade or so, there has only been one team that won a SB with what you might call an elite TB - The Seahawks with Marshawn Lynch. But in that case, Russell Wilson wasn't making a ton of money himself.

Which brings us to another situation.......... if you think our QB is so money, so great, so worthy of $32MM+, then it doesn't make a ton of sense to pay your TB close to $20MM a year because "he's the engine" that drives the car.

Sydla · Jul 22, 2019

Reid1boys said:
I never understand that train of thought. We draft players hoping they turn into studs.... but when they do, Studs also get paid.
Our draft picks turn into the stud we hoped for, and then people dont want to pay them and say let em walk?????? WTH

Because in this world, you really can't sign every single player you draft that turns into a stud. The cap won't allow it if you want to build a well rounded team.

Well, let me walk that back........ sure, you could pay all your 9-10 elite level players but then you have little cap space to fill out the roster with good players so you get a top heavy team that lacks any consistency and depth.

TexasHillbilly · Jul 22, 2019

Reid1boys said:
I never understand that train of thought. We draft players hoping they turn into studs.... but when they do, Studs also get paid.
Our draft picks turn into the stud we hoped for, and then people dont want to pay them and say let em walk?????? WTH

That's why we have a front office. Bet none of "those" work for the Cowboys. It does make for some interesting banter.

Hawkeye0202 · Jul 22, 2019

We had a core of players in the 90s we paid and won a couple of Super Bowls. This is no different, the same concept.

CyberB0b · Jul 22, 2019

I can't think of a recent Super Bowl champion with a top 5 RB. The only one that comes to mind is the 2013 Seahawks.

People need to stop wishing our talent away

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