Twitter: Cowboys Make New Offer To Elliott

Diehardblues · Aug 23, 2019

kskboys said:
Yes, winning makes it more fun. Gives you something to aim for.

The #1 priority is making money. OK, If I sign for 50 mil instead of 60 mil, I just made money and me and my kids kids kids are set for life.

I appreciate what your saying Kevin and as fans it would appear that if players would take less then it would support the team hanging on to more talent thus helping it win. That’s a given or Duh as you say.

But that’s not reality in the NFL. We can’t expect the players to offer their generosity for the benefit of the team which will have no mercy on them as they see fit. Winning simply isn’t that high of priority for owners either or they wouldn’t have lobbied for a Cap.

Making money is the #1 priority much to the fans dismay. It’s a business first. Not a game. Sorry to be such a buzz kill.

CowboyRoy · Aug 23, 2019

superonyx said:
Whats the point really?
I know you need attention and this is how you get your fix for communicating with other humans but whats the point?

You want to win or something? What does winning even look like to you?
You wasted my time already trying to make some idiotic point about Zeke not being very good due to his TD stat for a season. But you really don't have a point and your attempt at an argument is so elementary that as a grown man I believe you have to be trolling. This must be what you do. I'm sorry for being dismissive and if I characterized you wrong then my apologies for that but I'm bored arguing something that is obvious to everyone. Especially since this obvious fact is most likely obvious to even the person I am arguing with. No one who found their way onto the internet could be this dumb.

Nope, Zeke is great. One of the best. But he is also an idiot and a suspension liability. Non leader. And he has had great years and not so good years. Last year, was his worst year statistically.

Clearly someone like you doesnt understand that. Not a big deal. Keep getting getting angry and throwing out insults.

Its not important if you get it or not.

CowboyRoy · Aug 23, 2019

phildadon86 said:
While I do agree scoring is obviously important. Lets not forget that because of our head coach giving Linehan final say on hires. Paul Alexander created some serious problems for Zeke with his blocking schemes. On top of that. There are a lot of runs that should be negative yardage that Zeke turns into gains of 3-5 yards all on his own. So while I agree with you to an extent. Last seasons totals arent totally on Zeke, and I love him in the backfield. With a new OC and Dak hopefully being able to attack the outside when they stack the box, get ready for zeke to have a monster year. Lets also not forget that if not for Garrett, Zeke probably would have the all time rookie rushing record in his stats as well as a ROY trophy. The kid is a stud whether you want to admit it or not.

Someone with an intelligent comeback. I was waiting for that kind or a legitimate response, but apparently you were the only one smart enough to think of it.

YES..........Zekes main issue was that the Oline was a shadow of itself and Linehan and Garrett were a bunch of morons.

SAME ISSUES THAT DAK HAD!!

So we both came to the correct conclusions. Both Dak and Zeke were affected by the same factors and had lessor seasons then their rookie campaigns because of it.

And IF the Oline is fixed this year and Moore can usher in a modern offense..............Zeke will kill it. I would easily expect 2000 yards and at least 15 TD's. He is THAT good. And Dak will most likely have his best season.

kskboys · Aug 23, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I appreciate what your saying Kevin and as fans it would appear that if players would take less then it would support the team hanging on to more talent thus helping it win. That’s a given or Duh as you say.

But that’s not reality in the NFL. We can’t expect the players to offer their generosity for the benefit of the team which will have no mercy on them as they see fit. Winning simply isn’t that high of priority for owners either or they wouldn’t have lobbied for a Cap.

Making money is the #1 priority much to the fans dismay. It’s a business first. Not a game. Sorry to be such a buzz kill.

You keep missing the point that making 50 mil as opposed to 60 mil IS making money.

jnday · Aug 24, 2019

kskboys said:
Yup. Just like ALL players are. Which is the reason maxed out contracts keep you from winning a super bowl.

And yes, I would take less to win. I would much rather make 50 million and play for super bowls than make 60 million and be on a .500 team. And yes, that is about what it comes down to.

You definitely wouldn’t fit into the modern NFL.

Beast_from_East · Aug 24, 2019

jaythecowboy said:
No other NFL player holds out after three years?

Zeke is the only one from the 2016 draft class, but there have been other players that held out after only three seasons. Chris Johnson of the Titans held out after just three seasons, so there is a precedent for a RB doing this.

Beast_from_East · Aug 24, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Truth of the matter is, if fans had more confidence in Dak, Zeke wouldn't be getting the money he's being offered IMO. It is what it is but that, to me, is the reason people want to pay Zeke or even tolerate what he is demanding.

JMO

Dont leave out the idiot head coach.................Clappy couldn't coach up a litter of kittens to find a bowl of milk.

What is the fan's level of confidence in Clappy? Didnt Reality have a poll here not too long ago and over 95% voted to fire him?

Beast_from_East · Aug 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I appreciate what your saying Kevin and as fans it would appear that if players would take less then it would support the team hanging on to more talent thus helping it win. That’s a given or Duh as you say.

But that’s not reality in the NFL. We can’t expect the players to offer their generosity for the benefit of the team which will have no mercy on them as they see fit. Winning simply isn’t that high of priority for owners either or they wouldn’t have lobbied for a Cap.

Making money is the #1 priority much to the fans dismay. It’s a business first. Not a game. Sorry to be such a buzz kill.

Which is why the Patriots are such an enigma compared to the rest of the league.

They are pretty much the only franchise that can get star players to take below market contracts.

So how do you explain this? If players care about nothing but money, how do the Pats convince them to play for below market and they accept it?

Diehardblues · Aug 24, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Which is why the Patriots are such an enigma compared to the rest of the league.

They are pretty much the only franchise that can get star players to take below market contracts.

So how do you explain this? If players care about nothing but money, how do the Pats convince them to play for below market and they accept it?

Great question. Very rare situation. Not the norm . To be honest , I’m not really familiar with all the contracts so I can’t speak on them individually with the exception of Brady.

But I suspect that Belichick lets it be known he’s not going to pay top dollar and can practically guarantee you will be playing for championships which probably bolsters their contracts once they move on to other teams.

As for Brady, I think he realizes he could have fetched more money in FA on other teams but wouldn’t have had the same success and probably shortened his career. So, in order to further his career has chosen to take less to continue playing at a high level. I really doubt Bill would have made him the top paid QB with a longer contract at his age .

Bill obviously drafting other QB’s like Jimmy G hedged his bet in case Tom decided to bolt or retire. With the success they’ve had and lack of injuries he’s been able to extend his career and with his longevity will end up making more while earning less per year.

glimmerman · Aug 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Great question. Very rare situation. Not the norm . To be honest , I’m not really familiar with all the contracts so I can’t speak on them individually with the exception of Brady.

But I suspect that Belichick lets it be known he’s not going to pay top dollar and can practically guarantee you will be playing for championships which probably bolsters their contracts once they move on to other teams.

As for Brady, I think he realizes he could have fetched more money in FA on other teams but wouldn’t have had the same success and probably shortened his career. So, in order to further his career has chosen to take less to continue playing at a high level. I really doubt Bill would have made him the top paid QB with a longer contract at his age .

Bill obviously drafting other QB’s like Jimmy G hedged his bet in case Tom decided to bolt or retire. With the success they’ve had and lack of injuries he’s been able to extend his career and with his longevity will end up making more while earning less per year.

I like the fact that bellycheat don’t want to pay big money for players but he is the highest paid HC in the league. The whole thing is that brady is the pink unicorn.

Diehardblues · Aug 24, 2019

kskboys said:
You keep missing the point that making 50 mil as opposed to 60 mil IS making money.

I get it. Your example though is not the normal equation players bolt. It’s usually for a greater percentage of increase , length of contract or guarantee.

I think fans assume that because it’s more money than they can fathom that it should be enough to help the team. It’s a very short sighted view IMO. Rarely are players willing to take less to help a team that won’t be as loyal to them when the time comes.

Diehardblues · Aug 24, 2019

glimmerman said:
I like the fact that bellycheat don’t want to pay big money for players but he is the highest paid HC in the league. The whole thing is that brady is the pink unicorn.

What fans miss in the bigger picture is that Brady will end up making more by extending his career in NE.

Most players are not in a position to continue playing as long as they choose to. At some point their salary, age, injuries or talent level passes them by and become disposable . And why they attempt to optimize their earning potential as long as they can.

glimmerman · Aug 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I get it. Your example though is not the normal equation players bolt. It’s usually for a greater percentage of increase , length of contract or guarantee.

I think fans assume that because it’s more money than they can fathom that it should be enough to help the team. It’s a very short sighted view IMO. Rarely are players willing to take less to help a team that won’t be as loyal to them when the time comes.

I have no problem with them wanting big money. If you ask me if I want 20 million or 30 then I am picking 30. The agents are in there ear letting them know that it’s a business and you have to make your money now. They have to separate themselves from wanting to be on the field to having to possibly sit out to get the money. That’s what fans see. I just don’t like the way Elliot and his agent handled it by doing this with 2 years left or D-Law either with holding shoulder surgery.

Diehardblues · Aug 24, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Dont leave out the idiot head coach.................Clappy couldn't coach up a litter of kittens to find a bowl of milk.

What is the fan's level of confidence in Clappy? Didnt Reality have a poll here not too long ago and over 95% voted to fire him?

Which is an indication of this forum but not Cowboys Nation. Which I’ve touched on several times over the years on this forum and others.

There was a local poll done by one of the newspapers which I’m not allowed to use their link that showed close to a 60% approval rating, I wanna say it was 57%, which was highest since Jimmy.

Most locals realize the obstacles, handicaps and hindrances Jerry’s ways presents and feel Garrett provides a means at least to influence and hopefully overcome.

The locals also like the fact Garrett is a former Cowboy who played under Jimmy and his father worked with Landry. Once you realize how despised our ownership is , locals are looking for a connection to our storied history and Garrett and his family provide that connection.

That doesn’t mean we think he’s a great HC but good enough considering some of the puppets we’ve had this era. Even better results than the only legit HC we’ve had since Jimmy in Bill.

We obviously see his flaws but feel this is probably the best situation and culture we can probably expect with Jerry’s ways.

Diehardblues · Aug 24, 2019

glimmerman said:
I have no problem with them wanting big money. If you ask me if I want 20 million or 30 then I am picking 30. The agents are in there ear letting them know that it’s a business and you have to make your money now. They have to separate themselves from wanting to be on the field to having to possibly sit out to get the money. That’s what fans see. I just don’t like the way Elliot and his agent handled it by doing this with 2 years left or D-Law either with holding shoulder surgery.

Fans can be so fickle. Most are offended by the millions the players make but have no issue with the billions owners are making.

Pants · Aug 24, 2019

I am ALL for being fair and paying Zeke what he is worth - he is arguably the best pure runner in the game; however, contracts are NOT just for sundays...make him the top paid RB with the caveat that any suspension, ANY, voids the entire contract and then they have to start over with negotiations - he needs to provide some wiggle room for the team if they want to make him the highest paid RB

Diehardblues · Aug 24, 2019

The contract that we need to watch is Prescotts. It’s one thing paying one of the top RB’s top money but paying a middle tier QB top money could cost the team even more.

glimmerman · Aug 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Fans can be so fickle. Most are offended by the millions the players make but have no issue with the billions owners are making.

I just want a piece. A fan contract. Retro pay for my years of fandom. Let’s say 5 million after taxes. Lol

DuncanIso · Aug 24, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
Nope, Zeke is great. One of the best. But he is also an idiot and a suspension liability. Non leader. And he has had great years and not so good years. Last year, was his worst year statistically.

Clearly someone like you doesnt understand that. Not a big deal. Keep getting getting angry and throwing out insults.

Its not important if you get it or not.

He had 2000 ap yds in 2018.

DuncanIso · Aug 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Fans can be so fickle. Most are offended by the millions the players make but have no issue with the billions owners are making.

The taxes take half their money. Plus all the agent and union fees.

If they have 2 million in the bank, they should only spend 4 percent of it per year.

That's 80,000 a year. Take out more taxes, etc

That's 50-60 k a year.

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