It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

I was not happy when he was picked, have not been happy (or surprised) that he has not played well yet... but it is still too early to call him a bust

It's a bit early for him to be placed on the milk carton but I'm sure the Cowboys and filed a missing persons report

Verdict said:

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

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I’m sure the coaches did not anticipate this ( Hill) either. they did not expect him to be this raw and far behind in having to learn the game.
Otherwise they would not have drafted him as high as they did.

- From watching him play in preseason – I could tell he just was ready to contribute in the rotation, he is JAG at this point and time.
In fact if he was a late round or undrafted rookie, he would have definitely been cut by now.

- This is going to tell big, as the other guy much discussed vs Hill pick was Juan Thornhill who went a pick later and is already starting in KC.
While Hill seems a likely “redshirt “ if we see him on the game day inactive list every week, ..all year. That would basically mean the team is shutting him down and
reloading him up again in next year’s offseason and camp.

- Right now I think Hill doesn’t know the game, the technical nuances in the trenches, he doesn’t know how to use his hands, and his feet stops when he’s doubled, he’s trying to spin and get loose
and gets stuck to blocks even more so. and he‘s having a hard time staying on his feet. Just about every play he ends up on the ground.
Right now he’s no difference than an undrafted guy than a Daniel Wise or Rick Walker. That makes me think he was over drafted.

- Not that he won’t every be a contributor, or wont turn the corner – but as of this moment, that just remains to be seen, and even if he ends up being a suitable rotation guy at best.,
that’s just not the investment of a 2nd round pick. You want those guys playing in any capacity. If Hill is inactive, he won't learn, he will that much inexperienced and non-ready.

And the irony is I had always heard that McClay prefers the more big league school prospects more early on, so I assumed that that the scouting team thought so much of Hill’s film
(along with the dire need for a impact DT interior guy) that they could not resist the temptation to pick him.

We had our choice of quality Safeties, and they drafted this clown. This was a wasted pick. May just as well torn up the draft card on draft night and made it rain on Goodell.

I dont care if this blob becomes a serviceable DT 3 years from now, his contract will almost be up by then. What #@*!king good does that do us?

NickZepp said:

Dallas' line is pretty good and I think Hill is basically a guy to take over some DTs that have contracts coming up in a year or two. Not necessarily a player to come in right away.

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I agree, we finally have a defensive line with rotation. Why not take somebody that you think might be a superstar next year. We do the same thing with injured players all the time. Jaylon Smith. That's what this franchise does

Manster_Mash said:

We had our choice of quality Safeties, and they drafted this clown. This was a wasted pick. May just as well torn up the draft card on draft night and made it rain on Goodell.

I dont care if becomes a serviceable DT 3 years from now, his contract will almost be up by then. What #@*!king good does that do us?

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You have to look to the Future it's not always about today. This franchise a has a history of doing this

OP that was harsh.
Question:
Who would want a Dallas team so deep, that their early draft picks are fighting to make the team and relegated to being inactive week 1?

Class dismissed.

Verdict said:

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

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Hill was always a long-term project IMO. He was taken more off potential than the fact that he had established himself. This is essentially a redshirt year for him.

gimmesix said:

Hill was always a long-term project IMO. He was taken more off potential than the fact that he had established himself. This is essentially a redshirt year for him.

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If that’s the case don’t waste a second round pick on a player like that. Use a day three pick.

Whirlwin said:

You have to look to the Future it's not always about today. This franchise a has a history of doing this

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Then he should not have been taken in the 2nd round. That needs to be at least a contributor. There were starting quality safeties there waiting for us. And we passed them up for a developmental DT they didnt expect to use?? No way. That is spin. He was expected to challenge for a spot. Instead, he cant even make the game day roster on a team that is not strong on the interior DL.

NickZepp said:

Dallas' line is pretty good and I think Hill is basically a guy to take over some DTs that have contracts coming up in a year or two. Not necessarily a player to come in right away.

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This is hogwashed revisionist history.

Are you really telling us the Cowboys used a 2nd round pick on a guy that they were hoping to stash for a year and then have him play in 2020 to replace some other DTs?

Come on.

Sydla said:

This is hogwashed revisionist history.

Are you really telling us the Cowboys used a 2nd round pick on a guy that they were hoping to stash for a year and then have him play in 2020 to replace some other DTs?

Come on.

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Well said.

That is pure spin.

Tangle_Foot said:

It's a bit early for him to be placed on the milk carton but I'm sure the Cowboys and filed a missing persons report

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Not a good sign when your second round pick is healthy, but not good enough to make the game day roster. Its not like we are loaded on the DL. Its the weakest area of the team. You would think as a high draft pick the cowboys would at least want him to get game experience......... How do you develop him in street clothes? Apparently, he's not even worth that consideration.

pitt33 said:

If that’s the case don’t waste a second round pick on a player like that. Use a day three pick.

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I never understand this line of thinking. If he had a second-round value and was expected to be taken in the second round, how could we wait to take him on Day 3?

You rate the players and you take them where they are expected to go. You don't rate them according to how much playing time they will receive as a rookie. You rate them on ability. The ceiling is very high with Hill, which is why he went in the second round. The reason he didn't go in the first round is because of the bust potential.

Look at this like the Jaylon Smith pick. We knew he wasn't going to play his first year, but we took him in the second round anyway because we weren't going to be able to get him later. I know there's a difference between the two, but the idea is basically the same.

Manster_Mash said:

Well said.

That is pure spin.

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I have little doubt they knew Hill was raw but this notion that they took him knowing he essentially would be too raw to play for a year is ridiculous.

gimmesix said:

I never understand this line of thinking. If he had a second-round value and was expected to be taken in the second round, how could we wait to take him on Day 3?

You rate the players and you take them where they are expected to go. You don't rate them according to how much playing time they will receive as a rookie. You rate them on ability. The ceiling is very high with Hill, which is why he went in the second round. The reason he didn't go in the first round is because of the bust potential.

Look at this like the Jaylon Smith pick. We knew he wasn't going to play his first year, but we took him in the second round anyway because we weren't going to be able to get him later. I know there's a difference between the two, but the idea is basically the same.

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Smith is a pretty terrible example. Because in that case, they had inside information on the medical condition of a guy who was projected to be a Top 5 pick. So in that sense, they used a 2nd round pick to take a chance on a guy who was an elite NFL draft talent.

Taking a guy in Hill, at a position of need mind you, as a future stash in the hope that he might be serviceable a few years from now isn't quite the same thing.

Sydla said:

This is hogwashed revisionist history.

Are you really telling us the Cowboys used a 2nd round pick on a guy that they were hoping to stash for a year and then have him play in 2020 to replace some other DTs?

Come on.

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I don't think they took him knowing that he would have to be stashed for a year, but they took him knowing it was a possibility.

He was more untapped potential than finished product, so Dallas had no way of knowing how long it would take for his skills to catch up to his potential. And there is the chance that it might never happen.

Trysten is just a puppy. I don't care if you think his draft position means he should already be getting game time. He's not ready to join the junkyard dogs on the D-line. He's getting there so have some patience about you and stop making assumptions that don't apply to him.

gimmesix said:

I don't think they took him knowing that he would have to be stashed for a year, but they took him knowing it was a possibility.

He was more untapped potential than finished product, so Dallas had no way of knowing how long it would take for his skills to catch up to his potential. And there is the chance that it might never happen.

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I think they took him thinking he could play right out of the gate as a backup type and then eventually would hopefully develop.

My gut tells me they were surprised how raw and unready he was to play at a NFL level. That's not a good thing from your 2nd round pick.

And for fans (not saying you) to suggest the plan all along was they knew he couldn't play but might develop down the road, is just excuse making for a franchise that saw their 2nd round pick have a pretty shoddy training camp and not even be active in his first game.

ItzKelz said:

We do a great job of evaluating interior linemen. That is why Trysten was not activated.

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Lol.