Why isn't Blake Jarwin Starting?

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nyc-cowboy said:
Bold - no not necessarily - he might be the second or third read. Don't forget a lot of times that Wit runs those 5-6 yard sit-down routes where if nothing else is open - he becomes the check-down.
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Yes, and those are important.
 
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  1. We are a running team, and sadly, by all reports, Witten is by far our best blocking TE.
  2. Jarwin is out there a lot and makes a few “big” plays, but I’m guessing the coaches, in practice, aren’t seeing him getting open on the Y Option route to move the chains.
 
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Witten is the better TE of the two and he is contributing every game. Jarwin is not as good as some of these posters thinks he is.
 
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BourbonBalz said:
Yes, and those are important.
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Yes they are but its not like their exclusive to Wit, you can get almost any TE to do that or just float a RB out.

Again I don't think anyone is saying Jarwin should start and get 90% of the snaps but cmon you can get him some more reps and looks.
 
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nyc-cowboy said:
Yes they are but its not like their exclusive to Wit, you can get almost any TE to do that or just float a RB out.

Again I don't think anyone is saying Jarwin should start and get 90% of the snaps but cmon you can get him some more reps and looks.
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I agree.
 
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BoysfaninVegas said:
Jarwin is better at bigger receptions, but Witten is better at moving the chains and is Dak's security blanket.
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Witten is such a lumberer. he looks so stiff and cumbersome when he has a catch and run pass. You see the huge difference in speed and movement with Witten vs Jarwin.
Jarwin is so much more fluid and sudden ..and covers up so much more ground and quicker upfield til it's not funny.

And it does make a big different if Dak is trying to hit the TE in the open, deep middle seams. Witten just doesn't have the athleticism and range to close on that play - while it's a easy frequency with Jarwin.
and if Witten is the one that catches that flip pass, he " lumbers" and then is stopped cold after a 4 yrd run,..instead of Jarwin

But the big problem is ..the entire organization is so sold and loyalty committed to Witten who they supposedly see as an "extra coach' on the field, in admiration of his years of knowledge and experience.
they probably think the mental aspect and leadership ..will make up for the lack of athleticism and big play splash.

This " Security blanket " theory just means dink and dunk ..and its gonna influence (force?) Dak to go more dink and dunk to da lumberer. and keep us in this conservative mode play it safer mode than
in an push the ball attack more

- Remember when there was the talk of Witten coming out of retirement but would not impede upon the progress of young Jarwin ?
Like he was only going to get like 25 snaps per game ? lol ... yeh, right !

Witten stays on the field, he seems to get at least 70- 80% when plays call for TEs to be on the field,
and Jarwin or any draftee TE will not ever have a chance to develop into a every down starting player so long as Witten is still starting here .
 
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timb2 said:
Jarwin would be if they would make calls to go to Jarwin instead of Witten who is here for only selfish reasons. He wants to be #1 in receptions for TEs over Tony Gonzales hoping to be a first ballot HOF....I am sure if Prescott gets hurt that Garrett-Jed-and Jethro will try everything to get Romo back to start....This nonsense needs to stop...We lost Taco Charlton because we started broken down Crawford who sat out all preseason just to be rewarded the starting RDE spot. Now Charlton is playing well in Miami while Crawford does his usual sitting on the sidelines and hurt again.
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You are right. This nonsense does need to stop. Feel free.
 
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timb2 said:
This still crawls up my skin that we are starting Jason Witten who is slow as snail over Blake Jarwin...Just the stats say what I am talking about from this game. This Jason Garrett-Jason Witten buddy crap needs to stop.

Jason Witten 8 receptions for 58 yards 0 TDs

Blake Jarwin 1 reception for 42 yards 1 TD..
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What an odd thing to complain about. Here's what the stats really say:

Witten caught 8 of 9 targets (89%). Seven of those catches were successful plays: only two first downs, but also 9 yards on 1st-and-10, 8 yards on 1st-and-10, 7 yards on 1st-and-10, and so on. That's an excellent performance.
 
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Serious question, and I'm not comparing players talent-wise, but could Tony Gonzalez or Jimmy Graham block? Stop with this nonsense. Jarwin should be the #1 with Witten as the #2 blocking/receiving TE.
 

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nyc-cowboy said:
Bold - no not necessarily - he might be the second or third read. Don't forget a lot of times that Wit runs those 5-6 yard sit-down routes where if nothing else is open - he becomes the check-down.
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ok, then he is getting opportunities, if he is open and others aren't open, he will get the ball. so either he is helping, by diverting defense to account for him which opens the others, or he is open and he is the check down and he will get the ball. I don't think we need to force him the ball to satisfy the fans perception.
 

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Chuck 54 said:
  1. We are a running team, and sadly, by all reports, Witten is by far our best blocking TE.
  2. Jarwin is out there a lot and makes a few “big” plays, but I’m guessing the coaches, in practice, aren’t seeing him getting open on the Y Option route to move the chains.
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the coaches? but Dak has the choice...if he is open and others aren't, then he would throw him the ball....
 

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TheSport78 said:
Serious question, and I'm not comparing players talent-wise, but could Tony Gonzalez or Jimmy Graham block? Stop with this nonsense. Jarwin should be the #1 with Witten as the #2 blocking/receiving TE.
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they were a lot better than jarwin, also they were a lot better atheltes and better skill set as recievers….no comparison...you can't take three plays and project them to a HOFer and one of the better TEs in the league...that's madden approach to football.
 

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quickccc said:
Witten is such a lumberer. he looks so stiff and cumbersome when he has a catch and run pass. You see the huge difference in speed and movement with Witten vs Jarwin.
Jarwin is so much more fluid and sudden ..and covers up so much more ground and quicker upfield til it's not funny.

And it does make a big different if Dak is trying to hit the TE in the open, deep middle seams. Witten just doesn't have the athleticism and range to close on that play - while it's a easy frequency with Jarwin.
and if Witten is the one that catches that flip pass, he " lumbers" and then is stopped cold after a 4 yrd run,..instead of Jarwin

But the big problem is ..the entire organization is so sold and loyalty committed to Witten who they supposedly see as an "extra coach' on the field, in admiration of his years of knowledge and experience.
they probably think the mental aspect and leadership ..will make up for the lack of athleticism and big play splash.

This " Security blanket " theory just means dink and dunk ..and its gonna influence (force?) Dak to go more dink and dunk to da lumberer. and keep us in this conservative mode play it safer mode than
in an push the ball attack more

- Remember when there was the talk of Witten coming out of retirement but would not impede upon the progress of young Jarwin ?
Like he was only going to get like 25 snaps per game ? lol ... yeh, right !

Witten stays on the field, he seems to get at least 70- 80% when plays call for TEs to be on the field,
and Jarwin or any draftee TE will not ever have a chance to develop into a every down starting player so long as Witten is still starting here .
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if Jarwin is on the field....why isn't Dak hitting him?
 

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McKDaddy said:
Even if you buy that Witten is better, more reliable option why in god's name is he on the field in hurry up situations where you need chunk yardage?

Jarwin would threaten the defense & possibly create a big play. Witten may settle underneath the defense & get a completion but that is exactly what the defense wants.

BTW - same for Pollard. why isn't he out there instead of Zeke in those situations? If you can't utilize his skills in those situations, when can you?
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witten often stays back to pass block, give Dak time....sometimes in hurry up, if there are no rushers, his job is to go to the flat and catch and move the chains....can jarwin block and not get Dak killed?
 

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Beaker42 said:
Sorry but Jarwin could be his safety blankey too. Witt is slow **.
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can jarwin run and get open on an 8 yard flat? or is he just a down the seam guy? as a TE he has to be able to do all 5 things, run block, pass block, catch and run all three passing areas, short, intermediate and long.
 
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Jarwin had his chance last season, we also agreed to bring Witten back because we needed TE help, since it was inconsistent since he left. He will have his chance again after Witten retires, unless we draft another TE. There's a reason why he's not starting. Everyone thinks they know what's best for this team. You cannot compare Witten's route-running and playbook knowledge with Jarwin's.
 
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