News: Cowboys sending a scout to Atlanta to evaluate Colin Kaepernick workout

Bullflop · Nov 13, 2019

CowboysWillRise said:
My main issue with Kap is that he is 32 now. We know what he is. Id rather stick with Rush and hope for more. If we were having a great season and thought we truly needed insurance Id consider rolling with Kap. Whether or not I agree with him doesn't matter either way, because I rarely let my politics or beliefs become intertwined with my fanhood. Im under no illusion. Im not rooting for the guys to win because I genuinely like them. If that happens along the way even better. Aside from that just take me to the promise land.

I had completely lost track of his age, to be truthful about it, although, he should be free of all the wear and tear of the several seasons that he missed. Nevertheless, he'll be 33 next year and that would probably affect the longevity that he'd have in store otherwise. I would imagine he'd be most likely to choose a team that has an older QB who's close to the end of his career, rather than one with a young QB starter like Dak. We shall see, though.

TheHerd · Nov 13, 2019

SackMaster said:
A legit possible starter? Oh man, if people believe Dak is not a good QB, passing or otherwise, how the hell could they believe Kaepernick is one?

I love Dak and think he's the future. But Cap did go to the Super Bowl, albeit a long time ago. He's more competition than the backup stiffs we've had the past few years

charron · Nov 13, 2019

Pass on kaep.

French · Nov 13, 2019

TheHerd said:
I love Dak and think he's the future. But Cap did go to the Super Bowl, albeit a long time ago. He's more competition than the backup stiffs we've had the past few years

One thing lost in this argument, the offseason before he lost his starting job, he went Vegan. I'm not against it, but if he didn't watch his nutrition properly, that would explain his drop off in performance. Watch that last year in San Fran, he wasn't the same guy.

dreghorn2 · Nov 13, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
That’s all I will say about this because apparently we have to censor ourselves on here and be babysitted if we talk about something more important than football...

No, Reality has it right, if we allow political/social talk to enter this forum we will end up as polarized as the rest of the country appears to be.

I've found some really cool people over the years in here and had some great discourse with them about a variety of topics, i'm sure many of them have different views then myself on a number of hot button topics but that's ok.

In person i could talk with them and we would discuss our views over a beer or two and despite differences i'm positive that afterwards we would walk away with a common respect for one another.

A message board makes it difficult for this to happen. It's not always easy to have a true conversation via the written word, many of us, myself included, are not skilled enough to maybe get the point we want to make come out in a nice respectable manner.

I want to think of the people on here as a group/family that is brought together by a common interest, i'm afraid people would start seeing others here as too different to interact with if we were to judge them on social comments that were delivered via post versus in person.

Bob-Lillys-War · Nov 13, 2019

What does zeke think about all of this ?

CWR · Nov 13, 2019

French said:
One thing lost in this argument, the offseason before he lost his starting job, he went Vegan. I'm not against it, but if he didn't watch his nutrition properly, that would explain his drop off in performance. Watch that last year in San Fran, he wasn't the same guy.

Arian Foster went to crap after he went vegan as well. Although its hard to imagine these guys dont have trainers, nutritionists ect to make certain they are getting what they need.

ChuckA1 · Nov 13, 2019

TheHerd said:
I love Dak and think he's the future. But Cap did go to the Super Bowl, albeit a long time ago. He's more competition than the backup stiffs we've had the past few years

Respectfully, not sure how you can say this as he hasn't played in over three years.

rags747 · Nov 13, 2019

The guy clearly is washed up, used and abused. Rather have Cooper at this point, no bad habits from his loser SB Niner days. He had his chance and now time has passed him by. A brain is a terrible thing to waste as is talent.

rags747 · Nov 13, 2019

Just to wrap it up Kap cold not carry Dak's jockstrap.

Teague31 · Nov 13, 2019

Start him at safety over Heath

CF74 · Nov 13, 2019

shabazz said:
He had a great couple of seasons and was fun to watch. I wonder why he didn't take the Broncos contract offer?

Additionally this little device used by the Oregon Ducks could also solve the "Song before Game" dilemma for him and the FO

Shhhh, don’t disturb the sleeping sheep...

atlantacowboy · Nov 13, 2019

Oh my god. He sued the NFL.........they settled. Why can't they just leave it alone? The NFL front office is not a jobs program. This is embarrassing.

LandryFan · Nov 13, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
CYA

That’s my guess, though it’s likely a little late for that.

rags747 · Nov 13, 2019

jnday said:
Without going into politics, any team that signs Kap, is going to lose a large part of the team’s fanbase. TV viewership and game attendance has really suffered due to Kap’s actions already. Goodell gamble when he supported Kap’s actions and it has really hurt the league as a whole. I have no reason at all to think he will be a Cowboy.

Jerry May be a lot of things, but he ain’t Stupid!

SackMaster · Nov 13, 2019

TheHerd said:
I love Dak and think he's the future. But Cap did go to the Super Bowl, albeit a long time ago. He's more competition than the backup stiffs we've had the past few years

Lets be real, Colin did not "lead" them to a Super Bowl or an NFL Championship Game. In both the 2012 & 2013 seasons, SF won due to the following:

Stingy scoring defenses
- Ranking 2nd and 3rd least points against in the league in those two years
A HEAVY running attack
- 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts in 2012 and 3rd in the NFL in rushing attempts in 2013
A very light passing attack
- 2nd to last in passing attempts in 2012 and Dead Last in passing attempts in 2013

Then outside of those two seasons, 2012 taking over starting only 9 games and 2013 as a full time starter, CK has not had a winning record since.

8-8 in 2014
2-6 in 2015
1-10 in 2016

In his last 19 games, CK was 3-16. That is 2015 Dallas Cowboys backups bad.

While I will never say that his "pregame ritual" has had absolutely nothing to do with him not being in the NFL the last few years, I can't see how any team would want to add that type of spotlight when the QB has a winning percentage of just 0.158 his last two years in the league. If it was one or the other (spotlight or losing), he would likely be on a roster already. But not with both.

So I do agree bringing in Colin would provide the interesting QB controversy since Quincy vs Hutchinson. But if one is honest, unless Dak regressed to Chad Green at Atlanta bad, then it really would be more of a talking point for shows to discuss possibilities than a real competition for the starting QB spot.

JMHO

CalPolyTechnique · Nov 14, 2019

I love the “did you see how awful he was when he last played crowd???”

When he last played in 2016, he went (12 games):

16 TDs
4 INTs
59.2% comp.
90.7 rating

(he also rushed for 468 yards and 2 TDs)

Is that starter material?

Maybe not, but then compare those numbers to QBs around the league that will be starting for an NFL this week.

Look at the numbers for Winston, Minshew, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Tribusky, Josh Allen, et cetera.

To even suggest the reason Kaepernick is not playing in the league even as a backup is based on his play is MORONIC.

SackMaster · Nov 14, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
I love the “did you see how awful he was when he last played crowd???”

When he last played in 2016, he went (12 games):

16 TDs
4 INTs
59.2% comp.
90.7 rating

(he also rushed for 468 yards and 2 TDs)

Is that starter material?

Maybe not, but then compare those numbers to QBs around the league that will be starting for an NFL this week.

Look at the numbers for Winston, Minshew, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Tribusky, Josh Allen, et cetera.

To even suggest the reason Kaepernick is not playing in the league even as a backup is based on his play is MORONIC.

So taking CK's 2016 numbers, and dividing by only the 11 starts vs the 12 games "played" (just trying to be fair since he did not record a single stat in the 12th game), these are his projected 16 games stats:

3,260 passing yards with 23 Passing TDs, 6 Ints and a QB rating of 90.7. Then add 681 yard rushing and 3 rushing TDs. With a best possible record of 6-10 if all 5 missed starts were automatic wins.

Man, that looks awfully familiar to numbers that had the media and fans blasting a guy as not being a NFL quality QB after his worst season (2017) ....

3,324 passing yards with 22 Passing TDs, 13 Ints and a QB rating of 86.6. Then add 357 yard rushing and 6 rushing TDs. With a record of 9-7.

Yet one guy was absolutely blasted by the media and his own team's fan base for any of the following:

Lack of arm strength
Lack of accuracy
Inability to make tight windowed throws
Inability to read a defense
Inability to pass a receiver open
Did not possess the proper anticipation skills
Playing with terrible footwork
Mechanics broke down when pressured
Was incapable of improving
Inability to win without Zeke

Some of those criticisms were valid, but others were just pure "I just don't like the guy" hate. In any case, many claimed he was, flat out, not a NFL Quality QB, starting or otherwise. But he still somehow won games, even without Zeke, going 3-3 in the 6 games Zeke was suspended in 2017. And he has yet to lead a team to a non-winning record at this point of his career.

Despite that, it is somehow ...

"MORONIC" to suggest that CK's play was, at least in part, a factor why he is not currently on an NFL roster
But it is not "MORONIC" to keep on complaining about a QB that on his worst year produces as well, if not better, than CK has done in arguably his best year, projected or actual.

There is an "onic" word for that, but I would have went with ironic.
:starspin:

CalPolyTechnique · Nov 14, 2019

SackMaster said:
So taking CK's 2016 numbers, and dividing by only the 11 starts vs the 12 games "played" (just trying to be fair since he did not record a single stat in the 12th game), these are his projected 16 games stats:

3,260 passing yards with 23 Passing TDs, 6 Ints and a QB rating of 90.7. Then add 681 yard rushing and 3 rushing TDs. With a best possible record of 6-10 if all 5 missed starts were automatic wins.

Man, that looks awfully familiar to numbers that had the media and fans blasting a guy as not being a NFL quality QB after his worst season (2017) ....

3,324 passing yards with 22 Passing TDs, 13 Ints and a QB rating of 86.6. Then add 357 yard rushing and 6 rushing TDs. With a record of 9-7.

Yet one guy was absolutely blasted by the media and his own team's fan base for any of the following:

Lack of arm strength

Lack of accuracy

Inability to make tight windowed throws

Inability to read a defense

Inability to pass a receiver open

Did not possess the proper anticipation skills

Playing with terrible footwork

Mechanics broke down when pressured

Was incapable of improving

Inability to win without Zeke

Some of those criticisms were valid, but others were just pure "I just don't like the guy" hate. In any case, many claimed he was, flat out, not a NFL Quality QB, starting or otherwise. But he still somehow won games, even without Zeke, going 3-3 in the 6 games Zeke was suspended in 2017. And he has yet to lead a team to a non-winning record at this point of his career.

Despite that, it is somehow ...

"MORONIC" to suggest that CK's play was, at least in part, a factor why he is not currently on an NFL roster

But it is not "MORONIC" to keep on complaining about a QB that on his worst year produces as well, if not better, than CK has done in arguably his best year, projected or actual.

There is an "onic" word for that, but I would have went with ironic.

So you shoe-horned a pro-Dak rant into this thread....bravo.

By the way, you’re effectively arguing that Dak wasn’t even a NFL-caliber QB in 2017 in your effort to shade Kaepernick based on similar numbers.

That’s indeed ironic.

GroundZero1970 · Nov 14, 2019

They are also sending our defense out there to help him look good

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