Anyone who still thinks Dak isn't a franchise QB

LACowboysFan1 said:

Don't know that there is a one, ironclad, definition of a franchise quarterback. I can certainly see that by some definitions and views, Dak is one

But to me Dak is not, for several reasons, among which are:

1. Too many missed easy, sure (assuming the receiver catches the ball) touchdown or game winning/saving throws. Every quarterback misses some, Dak's just got too many.
2. Not enough of an on the field leader. By that I mean I've never seen him even glare at a receiver who misses an easy catch, or a blocker that doesn't give enough effort/gets penalties nor does he exhort the players to be better, yes he high-fives them after a good drive or play, but if the team is out of sync he doesn't put the fire and energy he has to the team overall.

Don't misunderstand me, I do think he's an above average quarterback, top 10 for sure, but the "franchise quarterback" realm for me is rarefied air, the Staubach/Montana/Brady group.

Dak's not there yet, imho. He may get there, but after this long I think we'd see it. Doesn't mean he can't win SBs with this team ever, and you obviously don't need the franchise quarterback to do so (Dilfer, et al). I'm talking about Dak based on the "franchise quarterback" discussion alone, not his ability to win SBs...

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Philmonroe said:

Your number 2 is silly to me. You aren't a leader just because you scream and holler. That's the quickest way to get tuned out to be honest esp since most people don't want that same energy returned when they mess up. All that rah rah rah fire stuff is junk I'm sorry. Just let your play show what you're about flip all that "fire" junk

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romonumberone said:

For all the Dak super homers... who I am starting to think are trolls and not real Cowboy fans. Have you guys watched the games? When Dak is making good plays it is usually always when receivers are WIDE WIDE open... we are not even talking college football open.... we are talking high school football open. And it also has to be when Dak has all day to throw slowly go through his reads and not be hurried and do crazy footwork. With this all being said..... a LOT of QB's could do the same thing.

Now all this being said Dak has improved. He has good running ability. And he is incredibly durable. If Dak can keep improving than hopefully Dallas can start winning again like they were in 2014 & 2016.

But every time Dak is missing even just ONE all pro he has looked awful and the Offense has struggled. A franchise QB elevates everyone's play around him... not the other way around.

Simple math when the Cowboys do pay Dak there will be a problem paying other good players. The system is not set up to pay 10 guys on the same team at or very near the top of their position. The Cowboys are already paying 6 or 7. Dak & Cooper will make it 8 or 9 already..... So the Cowboys will have to say goodbye to quite a few good players that they will not want to lose..... why do you think Jerry has not signed Dak yet??? Because he knows that to be the case.


For all the fans saying pay Dak.... are you really Cowboy fans.... you know exactly what will happen as a result..... Maybe Dak will improve enough to where the Cowboys can keep going 9-7.... Most true Cowboy fans want more than that.

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simplycowboys210 said:

Shout out to all the 'fans' that said let Dak walk for two first rounds and go get Tua, like he's the answer we need. We need to pay Rayne and Amari asap.

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PAPPYDOG said:

There Dak Employees and Trolls and couldn't give a R@@@ @@@ about the Cowboys!

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cern said:

they're not joking. and they do watch the games. that simply means their negative comments are based on nothing more than a dislike for dak. against the vikes, dak also hit some great passes to cobb, gallup and jarwin. the only thing I haven't liked recently is seeing too much Jason witten. he's a progress stopper imo.

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LACowboysFan1 said:

"Leading by example" is fine, but even those guys, like Landry, still find a way to let players know they're not playing up to par. As Drew Pearson said about Landry "He'd give you 'the look'" and that was enough.

Where did I say Dak had to "scream and holler"? I didn't. There are other ways to push players or let them know you're not happy with their effort or level of performance.
And even if you do scream and holler, it doesn't have to be all the time. Ever see the clip of Aikman yelling at the o-line "That's b.s, that's junior league" on the sideline?

No, you can't be effective screaming and hollering if that's not your basic nature, yes players will see through that. But sometimes the shock value is useful....

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KalEl said:

Dak has done more than enough to prove that he is a franchise QB. Anyone that thinks otherwise at this point is simply dug in on their own bias or too proud to admit they have been wrong.

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Philmonroe said:

How do we prove I have a low general iq and yours is also higher than mine? Is being a Dak fan equal to having a high iq? If that's the metric we are using guess I'm not as high iq as you are. Congrats on that

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Philmonroe said:

The ole if you don't think like I think your this that and the other routine. Average Dak is just that average. What are these bias you speak of? People always mention this bs but never say what they are. My "bias" is I'm not easily impressed like some of you guys just happy with the QB equivalent of a Camry with leather seats. I've had better so that average stuff doesn't impress me like it does y'all.

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Streetwise said:

Reading your posts full of hatred, nonsense and insults paints the picture quite vividly.

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KalEl said:

Name 2 QBs that are playing better than Dak is playing this season?

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KalEl said:

Dak has done more than enough to prove that he is a franchise QB. Anyone that thinks otherwise at this point is simply dug in on their own bias or too proud to admit they have been wrong.

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Philmonroe said:

Good sir lets not go conveniently obtuse and do the online literal thing about the term "scream and holler". We both get the just of what that meant in the context of our discussion.

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LACowboysFan1 said:

I don't "read between the lines" on people's comments, that's means you have to read their minds and that's seldom possible.

You specifically said "scream and holler", don't say that and then say "You know what I meant", I have nothing to go on but your words...

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KalEl said:

Dak has done more than enough to prove that he is a franchise QB. Anyone that thinks otherwise at this point is simply dug in on their own bias or too proud to admit they have been wrong.

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Philmonroe said:

You don't have to read minds but I see you want to go full obtuse to hide your lack of understanding context so you got it

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ABQCOWBOY said:

Or, they just have a different opinion. I mean, he hasn't won anything. I'm not gonna say that those who have doubts are wrong because there is no proof of that. That's the truth.

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