Do you think this team actually cares about winning?

Rockport · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Legit. Does this team care about wins? Or just money? You look at true players who live for football: Luke Kuechly, Wagner, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. We have no one like that on our team. No one on this team actually cares. No one on this team actually pays that much attention to detail or their craft/position. No one on this team is dedicated. Seriously, everyone in this team is nonchalant about winning and losing. We come on this forum every day and complain, but deep down, so you really think they care about wins and losses? Do you really think they care and think about the same problems we do deep down? I see the things these players are doing. They are more interested in fashion, girls, smoking, partying, etc. there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s clear that the image of playing for the Cowboys is more precious and important to them than actually playing for the win. Like getting to the Super Bowl. Is it really that important to them? I know football is a business and at the end of the day they care about contracts, but you’d think players would care about their “dream” jobs a bit more. Am I the only one that notices this?
Is this a coaching problem or just a personel problem?

No all they care about is losing from the players to the coaches to the ownership. Lose at all costs. Jess we have some of the most ignorant fans on the face of the planet.

BigTx66 · Nov 24, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Jerry only wants to win his way. He wants it very badly but not enough to get the hell out of the way.

The revenue just enables him to continue his selfish egotistical passion without direct accountability.

We’ve become like many mediocre and dormant cities. We follow because they’re our team for better or worse. Winning just makes it more fun.

Well said! I really don't see the passion and raw drive and energy in the Cowboy players. I think there is alot of merit to the impression that this team's players only are worried about their money and contracts, and go through the motions to play the games. That is where you have to have a coaching leader that helps instill that passion to win and have a bit of fear of failure in their minds. This team's approach of providing the best of everything to these players and coddling them and overpaying them just feeds the apathy in their play. Jones is such and insincere owner about his passion for winning that it's easily emulated by the players.......sad.

Runwildboys · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Are we sure this isn’t just for the money and fame? Or is it truly for the love of the game? I believe the latter. Sad to say and see, but it’s likely the truth. Say we pay Amari and Dak. How do we know they won’t fall off a cliff because they got what they wanted? Look at Zeke. I’ve been giving him the benefit of the doubt and he looked okay tonight, but I don’t know. Something’s off. He got paid. Jaylon has been a bit off as well. He got paid. There’s a pattern here. I get it, money is needed to survive and you want to get paid the most, but isn’t it a bit... rude, to somewhat stop caring after you get paid? To not try your best after you get paid? To simply give up after a few things don’t go your way after getting paid? I understand they owe us nothing, I’m just looking for a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside the heads of our players.

Just because they're not playing as well as we'd hoped doesn't mean they're not trying, or that they don't care. When Cooper is standing on the sidelines, he looks like he'd rather be in the game, but he's doing what he needs to do. Just look at the difference in Dak's demeanor when they're playing well, and you shouldn't have to question his desire to win, and that goes for probably everyone on the team.

MysteryIceGuro · Nov 24, 2019

BigTx66 said:
Well said! I really don't see the passion and raw drive and energy in the Cowboy players. I think there is alot of merit to the impression that this team's players only are worried about their money and contracts, and go through the motions to play the games. That is where you have to have a coaching leader that helps instill that passion to win and have a bit of fear of failure in their minds. This team's approach of providing the best of everything to these players and coddling them and overpaying them just feeds the apathy in their play. Jones is such and insincere owner about his passion for winning that it's easily emulated by the players.......sad.

That’s what I am saying. Look at winning teams. You have players that are injured that want to go back out there no matter what. The energy is unreal. They WANT to win. Dallas isn’t like that. A win would be nice, but how about that check? The only one that seems to care is Sean Lee as he approached them for a pay cut. Who else have you seen that has that raw energy or passion. Sure, blame Garrett for their attitudes, however, the player and only the player themselves can be blamed for their attitude and approach to certain games.

MysteryIceGuro · Nov 24, 2019

Runwildboys said:
Just because they're not playing as well as we'd hoped doesn't mean they're not trying, or that they don't care. When Cooper is standing on the sidelines, he looks like he'd rather be in the game, but he's doing what he needs to do. Just look at the difference in Dak's demeanor when they're playing well, and you shouldn't have to question his desire to win, and that goes for probably everyone on the team.

I’m not too sure about any of this. I mean like I said, I have no doubt that they try. But do they try the hardest they can? A win to them is a nice commodity, but not a need. A need to them is Money. Girls. Fame. Fashion. Recognition. Travel. All the other things that come with playing for the Cowboys. Winning is a low priority. Just saying what I see. Go to the Sounds if the Sidelines video. I believe it was the Vikings game possibly. D-Law was the only one that showed emotion to the loss. No one else cared. I wonder why that is. No one on this team shows emotion, passion, or energy, and I’m not sure if they stems from coaching or just their personal vendettas. It’s concerning.

Gangsta Spanksta · Nov 24, 2019

They care about winning, but I don't think they have the hunger to win Championships like the people who made up the 90's team. There is a difference about wanting to win, and having everyone in the room believe they are going to win championships and work hard for it.

Runwildboys · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
I’m not too sure about any of this. I mean like I said, I have no doubt that they try. But do they try the hardest they can? A win to them is a nice commodity, but not a need. A need to them is Money. Girls. Fame. Fashion. Recognition. Travel. All the other things that come with playing for the Cowboys. Winning is a low priority. Just saying what I see. Go to the Sounds if the Sidelines video. I believe it was the Vikings game possibly. D-Law was the only one that showed emotion to the loss. No one else cared. I wonder why that is. No one on this team shows emotion, passion, or energy, and I’m not sure if they stems from coaching or just their personal vendettas. It’s concerning.

I'd say you're reading too much into it. As for the Sounds from the Sidelines thing, playing football is very draining, and not everyone is good at showing emotions when they're that tired.

MysteryIceGuro · Nov 24, 2019

Runwildboys said:
I'd say you're reading too much into it. As for the Sounds from the Sidelines thing, playing football is very draining, and not everyone is good at showing emotions when they're that tired.

Sounds like excuses to me IMO. D-Law had enough energy but no one else did? :facepalm:

Runwildboys · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Sounds like excuses to me IMO. D-Law had enough energy but no one else did?

DLaw's a captain, isn't he? Isn't that what captains are for?

MikeT22 · Nov 24, 2019

I know it's not a priority with Jerry. You don't hire HC's like Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips or Jason Garrett if winning is your main objective. You don't hire someone like Garrett and years later talk about how the training wheels finally came off. Why did you hire a guy that needed training wheels in the first place?

Jerry would like to win, but only his way. With a figurehead HC who has no real power while Jerry tinkers and meddles and is the face of the franchise. Jerry would rather be comfortable and lose than win with someone else in control and getting the credit, ala with Jimmy.

kskboys · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Legit. Does this team care about wins? Or just money? You look at true players who live for football: Luke Kuechly, Wagner, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. We have no one like that on our team. No one on this team actually cares. No one on this team actually pays that much attention to detail or their craft/position. No one on this team is dedicated. Seriously, everyone in this team is nonchalant about winning and losing. We come on this forum every day and complain, but deep down, so you really think they care about wins and losses? Do you really think they care and think about the same problems we do deep down? I see the things these players are doing. They are more interested in fashion, girls, smoking, partying, etc. there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s clear that the image of playing for the Cowboys is more precious and important to them than actually playing for the win. Like getting to the Super Bowl. Is it really that important to them? I know football is a business and at the end of the day they care about contracts, but you’d think players would care about their “dream” jobs a bit more. Am I the only one that notices this?
Is this a coaching problem or just a personel problem?

Disagree completely.

Our players who live for football: Lee, Dak, Gallup, Witten, Martin, Fredsy, LVE, Heath.

We have a pile of them, but they keep getting derailed by questionable play calling and a poor D philosophy.

MysteryIceGuro · Nov 24, 2019

kskboys said:
Disagree completely.

Our players who live for football: Lee, Dak, Gallup, Witten, Martin, Fredsy, LVE, Heath.

We have a pile of them, but they keep getting derailed by questionable play calling and a poor D philosophy.

Hmm. I fail to see how the players you listed “live” for football. Do they exhibit traits that show that to you? I don’t see it. Maybe Dak, Frederick. Witten. That’s 3 out of 53. Dak is starting to concern me though.

kskboys · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Hmm. I fail to see how the players you listed “live” for football. Do they exhibit traits that show that to you? I don’t see it. Maybe Dak, Frederick. Witten. That’s 3 out of 53. Dak is starting to concern me though.

You can see it in the way they play, the way they act, how others react to them.

We are wasting some fine careers by keeping JG and Marinate.

GimmeTheBall! · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Legit. Does this team care about wins? Or just money? You look at true players who live for football: Luke Kuechly, Wagner, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. We have no one like that on our team. No one on this team actually cares. No one on this team actually pays that much attention to detail or their craft/position. No one on this team is dedicated. Seriously, everyone in this team is nonchalant about winning and losing. We come on this forum every day and complain, but deep down, so you really think they care about wins and losses? Do you really think they care and think about the same problems we do deep down? I see the things these players are doing. They are more interested in fashion, girls, smoking, partying, etc. there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s clear that the image of playing for the Cowboys is more precious and important to them than actually playing for the win. Like getting to the Super Bowl. Is it really that important to them? I know football is a business and at the end of the day they care about contracts, but you’d think players would care about their “dream” jobs a bit more. Am I the only one that notices this?
Is this a coaching problem or just a personel problem?

Jerry cares, deeply, about winning. Every year his odds are at 1 in 31.

mugsybows · Nov 24, 2019

They’re a product of coach and Jerry, no accountability. They lose a game then say ah we’ll gettem next time. Kinda like Garett’s pressers after a loss. Just really no insight at all. Same cliches and on to the next one. It’s too lax. Country club cowboys.

Jerry feds them and us hype. They/we believe it. But then quickly turns out that no it’s the same ol same with the same problems every year. They want to win it’s just they are led by people that don’t know how to.

Clove · Nov 24, 2019

Those guys you listed in your first post, are they playing for free?

MysteryIceGuro · Nov 24, 2019

Clove said:
Those guys you listed in your first post, are they playing for free?

No. But even at that. They still try their hardest, which is why they are regarded as the best in their positions. Our paid players and even our ones waiting to get signed lack that passion and fire.

Blackspider214 · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
Legit. Does this team care about wins? Or just money? You look at true players who live for football: Luke Kuechly, Wagner, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. We have no one like that on our team. No one on this team actually cares. No one on this team actually pays that much attention to detail or their craft/position. No one on this team is dedicated. Seriously, everyone in this team is nonchalant about winning and losing. We come on this forum every day and complain, but deep down, so you really think they care about wins and losses? Do you really think they care and think about the same problems we do deep down? I see the things these players are doing. They are more interested in fashion, girls, smoking, partying, etc. there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s clear that the image of playing for the Cowboys is more precious and important to them than actually playing for the win. Like getting to the Super Bowl. Is it really that important to them? I know football is a business and at the end of the day they care about contracts, but you’d think players would care about their “dream” jobs a bit more. Am I the only one that notices this?
Is this a coaching problem or just a personel problem?

You honestly think those players don't care about money, too? Lmao. Quit being naive. Rodgers is one of the biggest crybabies in this league and many of his teammates hate him and he will throw any of his teammates under the bus. Nothing is ever his fault according to him.

Not one player would play for free and not one puts this game above money.

Clove · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
No. But even at that. They still try their hardest, which is why they are regarded as the best in their positions. Our paid players and even our ones waiting to get signed lack that passion and fire.

Who are our players coached by?

Blackspider214 · Nov 24, 2019

AmariChill said:
No. But even at that. They still try their hardest, which is why they are regarded as the best in their positions. Our paid players and even our ones waiting to get signed lack that passion and fire.

So now we aren't trying at all? Good lord.

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