Twitter: McCarthy on Dak

DogFace · Jan 9, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
It will be and trust me they will find another new batch of excuses and new scapegoats....everyone is game from the players to the coaches!

They are not Cowboy fans they are Dak PR employees and they have a job to do......Sell Dak at all costs!!!!

Ok man. Explain it to me. What do you not like about almost 5k yards and 30 td’s? 65% and 8ypa seems good too. What isn’t good about that? Asking for 10k yards and 50tds?

Please be realistic and sensible and explain what your issue is.

Bigtommyb · Jan 9, 2020

Mr_C said:
Ok man. Explain it to me. What do you not like about almost 5k yards and 30 td’s? 65% and 8ypa seems good too. What isn’t good about that? Asking for 10k yards and 50tds?

Please be realistic and sensible and explain what your issue is.[/QUOTE

Exactly, people are forgetting he's a fourth round pick, fourth round. Just on that alone he has excelled. No Qb is perfect every throw. Some people will never be happy with anything.

khiladi · Jan 9, 2020

blindzebra said:
Causation is a problem with you huh? You make a snide comment about stats and then you use them without the context needed to understand them. You actually made my point.

What was the common factor in those 30+ throw losses? We came out running on first down, went 3 and out, and fell behind by multiple scores. What happens when teams go down 21 points? They become one dimensional. You are blaming passing for losing, when in fact, not running effectively is why we fell behind in the first place. Oh, FYI Dak threw it 30 or more times in 6 of our 8 wins.

So now may be a good time to bow out, because you are making a complete fool out of yourself.

Not true.. there were many times we passed on first down and sucked.

The last Eagles game, Dak passed on first down every series except 1 in the first half and the one time he did, Zeke ran for a first down and then Dak passed on first down again and went 0-3 that drive and three passes.

This idea we were successful when we passed on first down is subjective nonsense.

PAPPYDOG · Jan 9, 2020

Mr_C said:
Ok man. Explain it to me. What do you not like about almost 5k yards and 30 td’s? 65% and 8ypa seems good too. What isn’t good about that? Asking for 10k yards and 50tds?

Please be realistic and sensible and explain what your issue is.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words so here's my response to the above here-below.

Blackrain · Jan 9, 2020

OldJarhead said:
(sigh) Another "stat wh**e". I have watched this team for many years. I have seen the great, the good and the trash. Dak is a stud, a real athlete, HOWEVER, his passing skills are, well let's say, poor. He is consistently late and behind open receivers, especially on the favored slant pattern. Many of his deep passes are short of the preferred spot and receivers who have open field in front of them have to slow down and I have seen them have to STOP in order to catch the pass.
Now, going back to your statement that when this team passes early they win and when they run early they loose, I would tell you that what I have seen is when this team played a competent NFL defense that understood that Dak is the limitation of the team and took Zeke away (regardless of Qtr) and forced the Cowboys to use Daks arm as the primary weapon (more than 30 throws) they (the Cowboys) lost. Dak still got his yards due to the difference in defenses being played when the score is out of reach or when the opponent is just laying back keeping everything in front of them.

Can this team win with Dak at QB? No doubt, but they have to play a new kind of offense. It has to be centered on the run with mostly short, quick passes and the occasional mid range pass and near zero deep passes.

As for "understanding the game and situational football", my question is, when did you learn that phrase?

I have also watched a lot of football and as tough as it has been lately to stomach the officiating have forced myself to watch other teams elite franchise QBs as a basis of comparison . Dak has times where he is behind and low but I have seen Brady , Wentz and Wilson do the same thing . Difference is when they do put the ball on the money the receivers catch it and make their QB look good and all is forgotten . We lead the league in drops and missed FGs tough for any QB to win like that .

All these drops are costing us TDs and first downs killing drives makiing us have to kick FGs we were unable to make until finally the kicker was replaced with one who missed nothing .

Dak although not perfect improved greatly and was only one of 3 players I can say that about . The rest stayed the same or went backward . Dak will continue to improve under Mac and he will help tailor our offense to Daks strengths

Give Dak Hopkins from the Texans and a real kicker to start the season and we are still playing now . Got to like a QB that can straight arm guys into the ground thats just fun to watch . Thats a guy that can improvise and overcome !!!

khiladi · Jan 9, 2020

blindzebra said:
Minnesota dared us to run, they played nickle and stopped us cold with 6 guys in the box. Dak shredded them and with the game on the line we ran and lost.

You guys just make things up.

First of all, Dak had incredible pass protection, especially on third down against the Vikings and they played man on the outside, one deep safety a whole lot. We were successful passing, irrespective of running on first down or not, because of that.

second, the five minute drive in the fourth against the Vikings, where you claim we lost because we ran it, we ran EVERYTIME on first down the field on a five minute drive. We marched down the field running on first every time. And we were bailed out by a ticky tack defensive holding if I remember correctly on a sack that gave us a new set of downs. And then Dak went immediately to Zeke on the pass where he threw it at the ground.

.We struggled in the red zone period, no matter what, most often because we abandoned the run in it.

nate dizzle · Jan 9, 2020

blindzebra said:
Again, it is about causation. We did not lose because he threw 40 times. We lost because we could not run effectively, fell behind, and had to pass more.
There used to be the thing where we won whenever Murray ran a certain number of carries or yards (can't remember which) but the problem with it was were we winning because of that, or he got it because we were winning because of Romo.
It is not the amount of passes or runs that matter. It is how well we are doing it and when either works the best. We were not very effective running early in games or on first down. When we forced it the offense suffered. Conversely, we passed it well early, especially on first down and when we did we built leads that opened up the running game.

You can make the argument that there is no causation, however causation was not what I was stating. I was stating that there is a correlation between the two events (Dak throwing 40 times resulted in losses 87% of the time, while throwing less than 40 times he won 87% of the time this season. He's 3-9 in his career throwing more than 40 times, winning 33% of those games. He's 37-15 in games throwing fewer than 40 times, winning 71%). Now, correlation does not imply causation, as you've stated, because there are other variables, however we do have enough data to infer that there is strong correlation between Dak's winning percentage and the number of times he has to throw in that the more he has to throw, the less successful he has been and vice versa.

DogFace · Jan 9, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
They say a picture is worth a thousand words so here's my response to the above here-below.

Right. More nonsensical very very lame attempts at some sort of humor. I knew you couldn’t answer to facts.

It started with his stats proved his great winning percentage shouldn’t be attributed to him or his talent. Then it moved to the stats were deceiving or ignoring them altogether they weren’t happening. Or the garbage time bs.

This is a problem these days. No shame. Lying to yourself, avoidance of facts, and generally acting like a jerk is acceptable. Or even applauded. Congrats.

@Nav22 wants you to know that you’re considered a joke around here

khiladi · Jan 9, 2020

The point is, whether our running game forces defenses to respect it and give us looks that passing game can exploit, and this, while our pass blocking was the best in the league.

Even teams like the Titans, while they are a top 3 run blocking team with Derrick Henry are among the bottom thirty per Football Outsiders in pass protection.

But Dak-stans love to blame his failures on things like Zeke being chunky, blocking being allegedly horrible, and WRs dropping passes, or us supposedly running on first. Of course they ignore many things like Dak throwing high and behind, exposing WRs and leaving yards on the field consistently. Any QB in the NFL would kill to play behind this line.

Whirlwin · Jan 9, 2020

nate dizzle said:
Build it around the running game and defense and let Dak manage the game. That's when he's been the most successful, not when he's throwing it 40 times a game.

Why not as long as we go back to dink dunk I loved it we were winning

Philmonroe · Jan 9, 2020

UncleRico said:
Dak is capable of it. See Vikings game.

One game doesn't equal someone is capable of much of anything. Where do some get their logic from?

Philmonroe · Jan 9, 2020

ultron said:
Dak has a 40-24 career record with what you guys have said is the worst coach in the history of any organized sport ever organized in the history of life. So with that being said - I'd say he's pretty damn good & should only get better.

He doesn't play a singles sport so stop parroting this career record drone and think for yourself. Lastly drone players or anybody doesn't keep getting better until the last days. Sports or life doesn't really work like that. Dak is who he is for the most part. You'll see some little improvements here and there but once you've been a pro for 4/5 years not too much big jumps in improvement you will likely see and this the majority of players not just Dak.

jazzcat22 · Jan 9, 2020

Chrispierce said:
Cool....he actually has a plan.
He’s going to get the ball out fast...heard that in James Jones interview.

I am glad you said PLAN and not PROCESS. :muttley:

BigD_95 · Jan 9, 2020

sean10mm said:
Aaron Rodgers would never admit it because he's a narcissistic tool, but it took years of coaching to fix his fundamentals coming out of college. He was an A+ talent with some really broken technique he learned in Cal.

McCarthy undoubtedly played a role in that in the multiple seasons before he took over from Favre. If anybody makes Dak move into the elite tier For Real, it's McCarthy.

will it take years to fix Dak's fundamentals? He has been playing 4 seasons now. I think it might be hard to break any habits he has and not sure they are that bad. Maybe Dak just needs some fine tuning because he really improved this year specially on his deep throws. My biggest question with Dak going into this past year was can he start hitting the deep throws - big plays and strike quick. I think Dak answered that question and then some. Sky is the limit with Dak. He is a player and a better leader than Rodgers

Captain-Crash · Jan 9, 2020

jameis winston 5000 yards, wow let's get him. what's his qbr. lmao

blueblood70 · Jan 9, 2020

blindzebra said:
You claimed they loaded up, they did not because they knew if we saw 6 in the box we'd run. The consecutive runs set up that throw to Zeke...it was 100٪ bad coaching.

enabling your poor QB play is a way to have another 4yrs of bad football..yes we lost a s team this year BUT

ONCE AGAIN LETS LOOK AT THE DEFINITOON OF AN RPO

Dak looks over defense , can change the play, DIDNT...

DAK can choose to run it himself, hand it to zeke OR throw..DAK made poor chaoice

on the throw to zeke he chose the bail out and he never looked center or right, players were open, he could have also changed that play, DIDNT. he could have ran or bootleg right an extended the paly DIDNT

the MN game was more like 30/50 dak and coaching.. hes the QB the captain of the offense with ALL the control is in his hands and his mind.. he made some really poor decisions this year along with bad throws so lets stop the coddling.. he sure lit up sub 500 teams but has some work to do in tight games against better teams, he choked some opportunity's away.. its not all on him but hes in the most important position on the field and the from thanksgiving on sans the game 16 against another creampuff with nothing to play for, his play severely dropped off and BEFORE the shoulder injury...

I get this seasons 8-8 has plenty of blame to go around but the coaches are gone, Dak back in the spotlight with tons to prove.. :thumbup:

Sandyf · Jan 9, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
I don't think it would be good for a new coach to come in and say to the QB that will most likely get a long term contract that he sucks.

But as I said, if Dak doesn't take the next step under McCarthy, that means he hit his ceiling. I would HOPE that Dak only gets a franchise tag to see how he does with McCarthy. If he doesn't improve, then we move on. It's the most sensible thing here.

Understand your point but he hired McCarthy to win now and every year going forward. To franchise Dak and next replace him the following year with a rookie with probably drafting last part of the round gives you a better chance at a losing season than a winning one. Pretty sure Jerry will (at least try the best he can) sign Dak to at least a 5 year deal for money that many fans will disagree with and be angry. It just is going to happen.

blindzebra · Jan 9, 2020

nate dizzle said:
You can make the argument that there is no causation, however causation was not what I was stating. I was stating that there is a correlation between the two events (Dak throwing 40 times resulted in losses 87% of the time, while throwing less than 40 times he won 87% of the time this season. He's 3-9 in his career throwing more than 40 times, winning 33% of those games. He's 37-15 in games throwing fewer than 40 times, winning 71%). Now, correlation does not imply causation, as you've stated, because there are other variables, however we do have enough data to infer that there is strong correlation between Dak's winning percentage and the number of times he has to throw in that the more he has to throw, the less successful he has been and vice versa.

You claim no causation, then give numbers without context. :thumbup:

khiladi · Jan 9, 2020

Mr_C said:
Ok man. Explain it to me. What do you not like about almost 5k yards and 30 td’s? 65% and 8ypa seems good too. What isn’t good about that? Asking for 10k yards and 50tds?

Please be realistic and sensible and explain what your issue is.

Dallas red zone efficiency was 15th in the league. It was 50% on the road, which was among the worst in the league, bottom 20.

Pantone282C · Jan 9, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
I don't think it would be good for a new coach to come in and say to the QB that will most likely get a long term contract that he sucks.

But as I said, if Dak doesn't take the next step under McCarthy, that means he hit his ceiling. I would HOPE that Dak only gets a franchise tag to see how he does with McCarthy. If he doesn't improve, then we move on. It's the most sensible thing here.

And, what about this shoulder issue with Dak? Hope that gets addressed and resolved.

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