Cowboy fans finally won

ksadler1 · Jan 11, 2020

JoeKing said:
In the end, Jerry won't fire McCarthy, McCarthy will tender his resignation because he is tired of Jerry's BS meddling. Mark my words.

I use to worry a lot more about that, but Mr Withers isn't a spring chicken anymore and it's not like he can start over every 3 or 4 years...

ultron · Jan 11, 2020

JoeKing said:
In the end, Jerry won't fire McCarthy, McCarthy will tender his resignation because he is tired of Jerry's BS meddling. Mark my words.

Won't happen. Jerry will be dead soon and VERY few coaches get a 3rd chance in the NFL, McCarthy will be here for a while unless he can't pull the nose up on this thing and we regress.

Diehardblues · Jan 11, 2020

Mobinvans said:
I honestly think uts Jerry's age

He doent have that long to go...he probably wants to win now

We’d like to think so but he appeared to make every effort to retain Jason so I’d beg to differ it was more about public opinion.

Diehardblues · Jan 11, 2020

Jake said:
We won something? In the 21st century?

All that's happened is Jerry fired another coach. We'll see if anything has really changed.

Maybe or maybe not but the fact he reluctantly went against what he’d obviously rather have done bodes well for the fans.

Diehardblues · Jan 11, 2020

Manwiththeplan said:
Yea, I think this weighed on him more than a worry about a fan revolt/apathy

Being in the Life Insurance business and dealing with wealthy arrogant buttholes most of my life they usually think they’re going to live forever .

Jerry doesn’t look or act like he thinks he’s going anywhere for awhile.

Manwiththeplan · Jan 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Being in the Life Insurance business and dealing with wealthy arrogant buttholes most of my life they usually think they’re going to live forever .

Jerry doesn’t look like or act like he thinks he’s going anywhere for awhile.

He may not think it's imminent, but he's been the owner since 89' or so and that's 30 years. He obviously knows he doesn't have another 30 years and given the young QB and some of the parts we have, this could be his last real shot.

How many of those wealthy arrogant buttholes care about their consumers, when they make more money than anyone else in the industry? I'd believe that Jerry realizes his time may be coming to an end sooner than he would believe the Cowboys popularity is coming to an end.

TwoDeep3 · Jan 11, 2020

There was a time on this board where two factions debated and argued their philosophical positions on the Cowboys. Essentially those positive of the team's future and those negative. I truly prefer the idea that a segment of the negative were more along the lines of skeptical and not just down right haters of everything the team did. It got so heated the board banned the word sunshine ................................................................ pumpers. Which apparently offended some of the positive people.

I sit here after 23 years of failure by this team and reflect on the fact the ones questioning the team's future were closer to right. However, having said that, if anyone with a scintilla of a brain were to do the analytics, projecting failure (which means not winning the Super Bowl because that is the true measure of success) failure is what 31 teams do every year, and if in Vegas, that is house money suggesting failure. The easy pick.

But I have noticed recently this negative, realist, wait and see position has morphed into a vitriol beyond explanation. I see in this thread the rancor about this team and projecting McCarthy will just quit under Jerry.

I have to wonder if these "fans" ever see anything positive? McCarthy is hiring his own coaches. If for nothing else that should be an indication of Jerry's desire to try something a little different. Now I'm not foolish enough to believe Jerry will not be the Press Conference Queen, and Sound Byte Impresario during both off season and on. But one must acknowledge something different is taking place with this coach, this season, and this team.

One last point. I notice a few of the "realists, if you will" are always against everything about this team. No stone is left unturned when it comes to pointing fingers and soothsaying disaster.

Makes me wonder why they follow this team.

CouchCoach · Jan 11, 2020

Booger is like the crazed killer in slasher movies, you're never sure if he's really dead.

I agree that he's thrown in the towel on Garrett and he saw the media tide turned against him and it's never been about his shortcomings before, he always had a scapegoat. He had his coach-in-training to cover for his GM-in-training. And I don't think the fans had anything to do with it, this was all about the media perception.

The only thing Big Mike needs to be concerned about is early success. If he struggles, Booger will just lay back because I think he enjoyed Parcells' struggles. In his inflated view of himself, he thought that made him look better. But if the Cowboys come out strong, will he be able to contain himself from wading on in and getting him some of that?

However, that is not the question. I do not think Big Mike would have a problem at all with Booger grabbing him some of the glory. As far as the meddling, we do not know to what extent that really takes place but if Big Mike feels he's not getting enough to get the job done, then there could be problems.

I think Big Mike is going into this with eyes wide open and this was not his only option, he had other teams wanting him. I think he talked to people who know Booger well before he even interviewed for the job. He knows he's got the most hands on owner in the league and is willing to work with that.

I believe that Booger feels he has to win. He doesn't for money or fame but he needs this for himself. I can tell you that once you cross that 70 line, your thought process changes. Mortality becomes all too real, the chance for dementia greatly increases and one feels all too human and vulnerable. I think for the first time since he bought the team, he hired the guy he truly felt would deliver for him. It is an entirely different need this time but just as strong.

There has always been this debate here about if Booger wants to win and just how much. I think he has answered that question for us. The difference is wanting to win and needing to win. He needs to win and sooner than later or he would have brought one of the "trainees" in and not the best guy to hit the ground running. The window and his eyes are open; he doesn't know how long that will last.

CouchCoach · Jan 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Being in the Life Insurance business and dealing with wealthy arrogant buttholes most of my life they usually think they’re going to live forever .

Jerry doesn’t look or act like he thinks he’s going anywhere for awhile.

That might be your interpretation of his outward appearance but no one really knows what he feels and thinks inside, least of all his family. He's got that patriarchal role and no one knows what he thinks.

It is human nature to project assumptions and/or conclusions about exhibited behavior of someone else based on actions. Thoughts, that's an entirely different animal.

One thing happens to everyone who reaches his age, they lose people and nothing reminds us of our frailty and vulnerability like loss.

ShiningStar · Jan 11, 2020

a few fans are going to be thankful for this.

we all won tho.

Captain43Crash · Jan 11, 2020

cml750 said:
Yes Cowboy fans are extremely lucky Jerry sobered up enough to realize his pet project coach was an utter failure so he finally hired a real coach with actual skins on the wall.

I like your avatar. Common sense message!

Diehardblues · Jan 11, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Booger is like the crazed killer in slasher movies, you're never sure if he's really dead.

I agree that he's thrown in the towel on Garrett and he saw the media tide turned against him and it's never been about his shortcomings before, he always had a scapegoat. He had his coach-in-training to cover for his GM-in-training. And I don't think the fans had anything to do with it, this was all about the media perception.

The only thing Big Mike needs to be concerned about is early success. If he struggles, Booger will just lay back because I think he enjoyed Parcells' struggles. In his inflated view of himself, he thought that made him look better. But if the Cowboys come out strong, will he be able to contain himself from wading on in and getting him some of that?

However, that is not the question. I do not think Big Mike would have a problem at all with Booger grabbing him some of the glory. As far as the meddling, we do not know to what extent that really takes place but if Big Mike feels he's not getting enough to get the job done, then there could be problems.

I think Big Mike is going into this with eyes wide open and this was not his only option, he had other teams wanting him. I think he talked to people who know Booger well before he even interviewed for the job. He knows he's got the most hands on owner in the league and is willing to work with that.

I believe that Booger feels he has to win. He doesn't for money or fame but he needs this for himself. I can tell you that once you cross that 70 line, your thought process changes. Mortality becomes all too real, the chance for dementia greatly increases and one feels all too human and vulnerable. I think for the first time since he bought the team, he hired the guy he truly felt would deliver for him. It is an entirely different need this time but just as strong.

There has always been this debate here about if Booger wants to win and just how much. I think he has answered that question for us. The difference is wanting to win and needing to win. He needs to win and sooner than later or he would have brought one of the "trainees" in and not the best guy to hit the ground running. The window and his eyes are open; he doesn't know how long that will last.

Yes the public perception or public opinion was the difference. And the fans won as a result.

cowboy_ron · Jan 11, 2020

Well the majority of us did.......a few of you are still pretty tore up over it.

Diehardblues · Jan 11, 2020

CouchCoach said:
That might be your interpretation of his outward appearance but no one really knows what he feels and thinks inside, least of all his family. He's got that patriarchal role and no one knows what he thinks.

It is human nature to project assumptions and/or conclusions about exhibited behavior of someone else based on actions. Thoughts, that's an entirely different animal.

One thing happens to everyone who reaches his age, they lose people and nothing reminds us of our frailty and vulnerability like loss.

It is my interpretation.

And the fact he was so distraught over making this decision of parting ways in another dysfunctional manner all the way to end tells us everything we need to know that he only finally conceded because he’d realized he lost public opinion not because he wanted to change, do the right thing or felt mortality was near.

SlammedZero · Jan 11, 2020

Damn, some of you fans can't just enjoy the present. :laugh:

It was a solid hire and at this time it was the right decision. Stop stressing about things you don't have control over and just enjoy the moment because at this point it was at least change. That is what we all wanted, isn't it?

Bob-Lillys-War · Jan 11, 2020

Reality is, it was between mike mccarthy and jerry jones .

kskboys · Jan 11, 2020

JoeKing said:
In the end, Jerry won't fire McCarthy, McCarthy will tender his resignation because he is tired of Jerry's BS meddling. Mark my words.

Who cares. We need McC for 4-6 years so we can possibly contend for a bit.

willia451 · Jan 11, 2020

I remember when Jerry used to stand on the sidelines close to his players and HC telling them what to do and encouraging them to make it happen during home games. I thought he was going to rip Jason's head off against the Eagles one year.

Want to know where Garrett got his clapping? He got it from Jerry.

He finally stopped doing that a few years back. But the damage had already been done long ago.

The sooner he's stuffed and mounted on top a 15 ft. high podium in the atrium to the Death Star the better off we'll all be.

acr731 · Jan 11, 2020

TwoDeep3 said:
I have to wonder if these "fans" ever see anything positive?

I will say this.... this will be the first time since around 2008 or 2009 that I am really looking forward to the next season. The removal of Garrett (finally) can only be looked at in one way, Jerry finally realizing the err of his ways. But did he?

You simply can't forget the past 24 years and stop looking over your shoulder with caution. Jerry is the one to blame for a certain group of fans feeling this way. Have we not been given enough reason over the years to feel this way? We can't all think and behave the same optimistic way. If the sunshiney people had their way Garrett would remain the HC for eternity and nothing would change. Ever.

Change is good, especially positive change. The ship might be pointed in the right direction for the first time since the Bill Parcells days, but with Jerry's history you can't help but think 'how long with the ship stay on course'?

blueblood70 · Jan 11, 2020

Diehardblues said:
For a generation going back now almost 25 years I’ve argued how Jerry was intent on proving he could win without a proven HC so he could put to rest the stigma with Jimmy. And besides the lone exception up until now when he hired Parcells which most figured was to gain support for his new stadium , Jerry hasn’t pursued proven HC’s.

I vigorously argued for years to force Jerry to change or make a decision he wasn’t comfortable with for the good of Cowboys Football as it became apparent to me it was more about his selfish pursuit and passions than what was best for Cowboys Football.

After Parcells I had really given up all hope Jerry would ever look for another proven HC as once his stadium was built, game over. He no longer needed the local fan base support as corporate sponsors and the ever changing demographic from out of state residents moving in bringing their fandom to fill the stadium.

Up until now Jerry appeared relentless and nothing was going to stop him but perhaps himself. And in the end this is what occurred. He finally went too far with his celebrity promoting of his product touting the talent and expectations for the season then when it didn’t meet it he bashed his coaching all in an attempt to illustrate he saw the issues.

It backfired on him this time as he’d already seen fan apathy growing at an alarming rate as local viewership was at its lowest in Decades. He was losing public opinion. And then Troy dropped the boom with Jerrys toxic comments after the Patriot loss. I knew at that time it was over which I presented a farewell in the other forum .

And the fact he didn’t want it to happen letting him go should give us all reason to pause because whatever the results presented Jerry was still determined to do it his way even at the end squirming to find a way to sell it delaying the decision in yet another dysfunctional maneuver.

This is all Jerry’s fault and I think he knew it from the over hype of the season to his touting of talent to the bashing of coaching ...ultimately Jerry went too far. And thanks to Troy for pointing it all out.

In the end Jerry is all about public opinion. He makes every effort to sway it with his celebrity status and promotion of his product. But this time it was too strong for him to sway. We saw his frustration when he knew he couldn’t win.

it just makes me sad to know that we could have influenced Jerry years ago if we’d of stayed away forcing him to change. While I campaigned to force the issue I never really knew how he’d react.

Would he double down , sell or move the team or continue with his egoistical, selfish foolishness. Well, we finally got our answer. What a shame we wasted an entire generation finding out. We can’t get that back. But at least we know the threat of losing it will force the change we’d hope for. The will of the fans finally won.

first off Bill Parcells was real coach with power and turned around a bad team Jerry created with experimental puppets, when he left Wade Wilson inherited a good team Bill assembled and Wade wasn't bad the first few seasons, look at his win%..Garret may not have been great , couldn't get us ove rthe hump but Jeez you act like we are in the Cleveland bottom 16 team grouping when in fact in garrets tenure the regular season hes been in the top 10 , in fact since 2016 we were 2nd only to MNE in wins and loss record..

lest stop exaggerating!! yes change was needed , we are all hungry for an NFCC game and a SB win but its not as bad as those that keep coming up with these MM is savior and the first one since jimmy..SMH

to keep spouting the same old narrative garbage about 25yrs this or that...this is a nice move at the right time for this current roster but the best in 25years, NO..why because we havent seen one game from MM and this staff..tap the breaks

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