Henry vs Zeke

Verdict · Jan 12, 2020

NumOneQB said:
Tennessee’s OL absolutely whipped Baltimore’s front line. Henry is a beast of a back, but the dude wasn’t being touched on most runs until he was 2yds passed the LOS.

It’s all about blocking. We haven’t had good blocking in average for a couple of years.

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Why did Henry only get 215 carries in 2018?

They had Dion Lewis and he got 155 carries last year. I think Henry, while he played, was battling an injury too.

mattjames2010 · Jan 12, 2020

Verdict said:
It’s all about blocking. We haven’t had good blocking in average for a couple of years.

Based on what? Our run blocking was actually really good this season. If you go to something like Football Outsiders, you'd see a lot of the low ranking stats directly fall on Zeke and not on the offensive line.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
yeah would suck to have an elite CB on the roster.

And LOL at trying to make it seem like Ramsey is a bad seed but Zeke is some angel.

We could have maybe had Ronnie Stanley, arguably the beat player in that draft.

Who said Zeke was a angel? Hell if it was me and I had my say I wouldn't want Zeke or Ramsey. But I also can't knock them for a move that's resulted in a lot of wins for them. At the end of the day Zeke is still on the Cowboys and Ramsey was traded because he's a head case and wanted a big contract.

One is on track to be a first ballot Hall of Fame. I don't know what Ramsey is currently at this point and time.

Ronnie Stanley? I don't know if you're serious joking.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
They had Dion Lewis and he got 155 carries last year. I think Henry, while he played, was battling an injury too.

With all due respect.....Dion Lewis should never be the reason someone isn't getting carries. Henry was healthy enough to play just like Zeke was.

mattjames2010 · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Who said Zeke was a angel? Hell if it was me and I had my say I wouldn't want Zeke or Ramsey. But I also can't knock them for a move that's resulted in a lot of wins for them. At the end of the day Zeke is still on the Cowboys and Ramsey was traded because he's a head case and wanted a big contract.

One is on track to be a first ballot Hall of Fame. I don't know what Ramsey is currently at this point and time.

Ronnie Stanley? I don't know if you're serious joking.

Why would he be joking? Stanley is right up there with being one of the best LTs in the league. LT is more valuable than a RB. So, we'd have both Stanley and Smith. Heck, at this point, we could have had Smith move to RT, Stanley be our LT, Collins at guard, along with Frederick and Martin. Oh, and Henry running behind them....

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Who said Zeke was a angel? Hell if it was me and I had my say I wouldn't want Zeke or Ramsey. But I also can't knock them for a move that's resulted in a lot of wins for them. At the end of the day Zeke is still on the Cowboys and Ramsey was traded because he's a head case and wanted a big contract.

One is on track to be a first ballot Hall of Fame. I don't know what Ramsey is currently at this point and time.

Ronnie Stanley? I don't know if you're serious joking.

Yeah the first team All Pro LT. That Ronnie Stanley.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
Why would he be joking? Stanley is right up there with being one of the best LTs in the league. LT is more valuable than a RB. So, we'd have both Stanley and Smith. Heck, at this point, we could have had Smith move to RT, Stanley be our LT, Collins at guard, along with Frederick and Martin. Oh, and Henry running behind them....

Because you had just given 100 million to that Tyron Smith guy? Spending a 4th overall pick to move Tyron to left tackle is just as stupid as drafting a running back at #4 if not more stupid.

Like why is it other teams can fill a offensive line but we have to have 5 1st round picks on ours? Its moronic to invest that much into a offensive line. Titans have a great offensive line and only invested 2 first rounders in it.

PhillyCowboysFan · Jan 12, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
It's really not just offensive line though. Henry's ability to get to the second level comes down to the fact he sheds tackles far better than Zeke. His big run against the Ravens last night came from him shedding a tackle near the line and breaking off for a big gain.

Zeke benefited to getting to the second left in 2016 due to a great line, Henry benefits but also elevates with this run after contact ability.

Yes sir and I was not trying to dispel any of Henry’s amazing talent in my post. He hits a hole with amazing speed along with a treacherous stiff arm. He definitely reminds me of Jim Brown.

I was just giving that line props as they have played a major roll in his success. He has definitely seen more holes then Zeke over the last two years as our line’s run blocking has seem to regressed over the last few years.

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
With all due respect.....Dion Lewis should never be the reason someone isn't getting carries. Henry was healthy enough to play just like Zeke was.

Henry got the majority of carries. He also ran for 1000 yards and averaged nearly 5 ypc. Surely you aren’t trying to argue he only got 215 carries because he wasn’t good.

nightrain · Jan 12, 2020

Zeke has carried much more of a load in 4 years than Henry. The year Zeke was suspended, he carried the ball more than Henry in every year except 2019. Zeke has over 300 totes in 3 of his 4 years, Henry has one (2019).

I am intrigued to see what the Titans do with Henry after this season. My guess is they are running him into the ground this year and will move on from him in 2020, letting someone else pay him the money he will be asking for.

I really believe this will be Henry's most productive year in the league no matter what the future brings for him.

Henry
G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD
62 804 13.0 3,833 4.8 61.8 38

Elliott
G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD
56 1,169 20.9 5,405 4.6 96.5 40

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
Yeah the first team All Pro LT. That Ronnie Stanley.

Go look up how decorated Tyron Smith is. He was racking up All Pro's long before his 4th season....just saying.........

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Because you had just given 100 million to that Tyron Smith guy? Spending a 4th overall pick to move Tyron to left tackle is just as stupid as drafting a running back at #4 if not more stupid.

Like why is it other teams can fill a offensive line but we have to have 5 1st round picks on ours? Its moronic to invest that much into a offensive line. Titans have a great offensive line and only invested 2 first rounders in it.

Stanley could have played RT until it was time to play him at LT.

You are being obtuse here.

PhillyCowboysFan · Jan 12, 2020

Aviano90 said:
I can’t vouch specifically for DHB on his stance, but the Ramsey/Bosa + Henry vs. Zeke + defender in 2nd round was a pretty spirited debate on the old DC.com board. We even had someone who claimed to be Derrick Henry’s cousin participating in them. It wasn’t just a Zeke vs. Henry debate. I believe almost everyone agreed Zeke was the best back at the time
The debate centered more around draft strategy.

Understood.

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Go look up how decorated Tyron Smith is. He was racking up All Pro's long before his 4th season....just saying.........

I didn’t realize you only played one OT in a game.

Learn something new every day.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
Henry got the majority of carries. He also ran for 1000 yards and averaged nearly 5 ypc. Surely you aren’t trying to argue he only got 215 carries because he wasn’t good.

Not at all. I'm making the same argument for him that I am for Zeke. He shared carries to keep him fresher by seasons end. Of course I'm not a Titans fan to know that so its definitely a assumption on my part because I can't imagine on any planet anyone thinks Dion Lewis is good enough take carries from Henry.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
I didn’t realize you only played one OT in a game.

Learn something new every day.

So you believe the best offensive line in the league at the time should've invested the 4th overall pick in a left tackle.......when they had a left tackle...so they could either move one of the best left tackles in the league who was 25 at the time to right tackle so Stanley can be their left tackle?

I'm just curious the logic behind investing a #4 overall pick into the best offensive line in the league when you had so many holes?

Sully · Jan 12, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
And to think we could have used the 4th pick in the draft on a more important position and taken Henry in the 2nd round?

Will Henry hold out for 16 million a year?

Dallas fans have heard that the OL is one of the best. Well, proof is in the pudding. Tennessee has the best OL in the NFL. For two straight ROAD playoff W-I-N-S, the Titans did NOT pass for 100 yards in either win

Aviano90 said:
Henry would have 4 rushing titles if he were drafted by the Cowboys in 2016. If people think Zeke has been hamstrung by bad QB play and stacked boxes then Henry shouldn’t have a chance in Tennessee. Dude faces stacked boxes at a much greater % of his runs than Zeke has. Dude is a beast and can break long runs with the best of them.

Sorry, disagree. I believe Tennessee has the better OL. Titans won two (2) road playoff wins and didn't throw for 100 yards in either one. Could the Cowboys do this? Hell NO.
*** More important, look what a solid defense can do !

mattjames2010 · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Because you had just given 100 million to that Tyron Smith guy? Spending a 4th overall pick to move Tyron to left tackle is just as stupid as drafting a running back at #4 if not more stupid.

Like why is it other teams can fill a offensive line but we have to have 5 1st round picks on ours? Its moronic to invest that much into a offensive line. Titans have a great offensive line and only invested 2 first rounders in it.

Stanley wouldn't have been playing LT his first couple years, he would have developed as a RT....which was a need with an aging Doug Free lol

And we still had the choice of taking Ramsey if taking an all-pro tackle, somehow, seems silly to you. The simple fact is, we could have gotten an RB in the second round that would have produced similar to Zeke behind our great offensive line.

The fact that fans pointed this out in 2016 and our front office couldn't grasp that our offensive line made RBs is sad. Actually, it's pretty damn sad the NFL is right back to overvaluing RBs again.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
Stanley could have played RT until it was time to play him at LT.

You are being obtuse here.

That's moronic. Sorry. Yes, there's a argument to be made that drafting a running back with the #4 overall pick is moronic too.....definitely a argument for that but it is simply STUPID to invest a #4 overall pick into a right tackle until he can play left tackle once Tyron I guess is finished.

This team RARELY picks that high and the one time they get that high its not for a quarterback or defensive linemen....its for a left tackle who'd play right tackle for us until his rookie deal is up? Yeah that's stupid. Sorry.

If you want to say this team is stupid for passing up on Ramsey that's one thing. But adding Stanley to the argument is just reaching.

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