103.3 just trashing Jerry

[Thunderstruck]

From an outsider's perspective, it seems like Jerry Jones is using the "Al Davis" method of micro-managing the Cowboys. Hiring an OC before hiring a HC is the kind of thing AD would do.

 

[silverbear]

Yeah...Jerry gets credit for buying the team, hiring Jimmy and then letting Jimmy bring in his staff and allowing the football people to do their jobs.

Well, now I know I don't have to take your opinions seriously any more... I guess you think Jimmy pulled off that Herschel Walker trade all by himself...

Those two talked about EVERY decision that was made... to attempt to deny that is to attempt to revise history...

 

[silverbear]

Don't make me show you my cans.

PLEASE don't... I'd have to put my eyes out if you did...

 

[silverbear]

No, the questions was hired before a HC, not inherited.

Capers was "hired" for the defensive coordinator job before the head coach was hired...

However, that's a little off the point, since the original argument was, and I quote bbgun here, from post number 11 in this thread:

The HC hires all assistants. Period.

Nothing about bringing in a NEW OC in that... and as has been shown, the argument is simply not true... five posts later, bbgun elaborated further:

If the HC doesn't have the authority to pick his own players and coaches, then he has NO authority.

Of course, few head coaches have the authority to pick their own players (he gets to decide who he keeps, but not who gets brought to camp), it's generally the GM who makes that call... but that's a separate issue here, clearly bbgun isn't making the semantic distinctions you're trying to make...

Then in post 23, bbgun takes another shot at elaborating on his theory:

Only dysfunctional organizations do business this way, and no HC candidate of any value would sign off on it. It's assbackwards.

To which I pointed out that the Steelers had just done exactly that, and only a moron would call them "dysfunctional"...

So, it seems that you decided to chip in your 2 cents worth in an existing argument, but want to try to change the parameters as you go along, because the original argument is gettin' hammered...

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to keep a coordinator with an established unit and personnel,

Just like there are perfectly legitimate reasons to hire a new coordinator who is highly sought after around the league, and on a time deadline from his old team...

And regardless of whether either or both of us are right, BOTH situations still amount to forcing assistants on a new head coach...

Now, if you wish to narrow your argument down to include only NEW hires made before the head coach is brought on board, and ask us how often that's worked, I'll simply ask you how many times it's been tried, and failed...

Just because somebody comes up with a new approach, it doesn't logically follow that it's a BAD approach... indeed, even if an approach has been tried a time or two in the past and failed, it doesn't logically follow that it will NEVER work... perhaps a series of such failures would be an indicator of likely failure, but one or two examples doesn't prove jack...

See, even though I think your argument is kinda silly, I'm willing to engage you on your terms... but I'll stand by my original point as my final fallback, whether you bring in a new coach or retain an old one before you hire your head coach, either situation is denying that new head coach the opportunity to hand-pick his staff...

But y'know, I really don't have a problem with that; if the head coach and the assistant forced on him don't work and play well together that first year, then you let your head coach go get an assistant of his choosing (or if you like the assistant more than you do the head coach, maybe you keep the assistant and find yourself a new head coach)...

Frankly, I'd wonder about any potential new head coach who indicated he wouldn't be comfortable with at least trying to build a working relationship with a Jason Garrett... good managers mold the people around them into a successful team, and of course in the real world new managers often aren't given the opportunity to bring in ANY of their people when they come on board... they're stuck with trying to develop the holdovers into something they can work with...

Look at it this way, how can you expect a head coach to develop his players to fit the role he envisions for them, if he can't develop his coaches to fit the role he envisions for them?? You can either lead men, or you can't...

 

[silverbear]

Dom Capers was not PROMOTED to defensive coordinator. They simply simply changed his title from Assistant Head Coach.

You think he was a LB coach or something last year?

OK, now we're arguing about semantics... and I'll yield to you on the point, perhaps "promotion" was not the word to use there...

Doesn't change my basic point, the Fins opted to change his title with NO input from their new head coach, indeed before they even HAD a new head coach...

Which is PRECISELY what some of y'all are rippin' on Jerry for doing now... which is PRECISELY what the Steelers did with Dick LeBeau... but for some strange reason, none of you seem to find that behavior as outrageous as you find Jerry's to be...

Smacks of a double standard to me...

 

[silverbear]

Ha! Yeah, that's a real embarrassment of riches we're working with. Hell, recycled losers like Wade and Norv would take the job even if ironing Jerry's shirts was of the conditions. Jerry never would have pulled this crap with Bill or Jimmy.

LOL... you think Bill kept Zimmer of his own free will??

 

[jobberone]

Listening to these Rednecks talk about the way we NY'ers talk is hysterical - some clown just asked what does "cusp" mean - are you serious?
I love this country but Country music, NASCAR, Red Neck Jokes, and Southern accents take it down a few notches.

I wish I knew what to really say here. I just can't find the right words.

 

[superpunk]

I wish I knew what to really say here. I just can't find the right words.

Oh, there are words - but you're probably too much of a gentleman.

 

[VA Cowboy]

LOL... you think Bill kept Zimmer of his own free will??

So you're say Zimmer was kept here because of Jerry? If that's the case, then your just making our point, Jerry never did really change.

 

[Deputy493]

Hansen has hated the Cowboys since Jerry Jones fired him of the radio broadcasts and Galloway is simply a dumb redneck.

 

[bbgun]

LOL... you think Bill kept Zimmer of his own free will??

Like you, I thought Zim was forced on Bill, but someone on this board persuaded me otherwise. Bill inherited a lot of smallish 4-3 guys on defense, and needed a guy like Zim to run that kind of system.