103.3 just trashing Jerry

[silverbear]

no but her mom is pretty attractive herself. : )

and it looks like VA is at least admitting jerry was a part of those teams who won. yesterday i put him on ignore simply because he refused to acknowlege jones as any part of it.

that's just too much to me.

I think deep down, VA's a reasonable sort... maybe he and I just had a failure to communicate...

 

[zrinkill]

And, we do have some who think Jerry was the main cog. For instance, they suggest that the only reason Jimmy didn't win a SB in Miami was because Jerry wasn't there as GM.

Now that's funny...I don't care who u r.

Nope ... I said If Jerry would have had a GM and Owner like Jerry .... he would have won a SuperBowl in Miami.

I never said it was all Jerry ..... But you have said many times it was all Jimmy.

I loe that quote and I bet most people would agree with it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Salma Hayek haunts my dreams... are you Salma??

Yeah, I'm with you. I hate Michael Douglas just because of that fact.

 

[zrinkill]

Yeah, I'm with you. I hate Michael Douglas just because of that fact.

Thats not Salma

 

[VA Cowboy]

I never said it was all Jerry ..... But you have said many times it was all Jimmy.

Actually...you're wrong.

I've never said it was all Jimmy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thats not Salma

Your right, Catharine Zeta-Jones.

Still pissed at Michael Douglas thou.

 

[DLCassidy]

Dungy still didn't have a choice in the matter, if he wanted the head coach job...



I don't believe Dom Capers was the defensive coordinator for the Fins last year... he was on the staff, but was only recently promoted to DC...

BEFORE the Fins hired their new head coach, giving that new head coach no say in the matter... at least, that's what a press releasee on the Fins' official website says:



So, that makes at least TWO different coaches that the Fins "forced" on... indeed, if you look at ALL of the recent head coach hirings, and go to that team's website, you'll find that each and every one of those new head coaches have been "forced" accept staff not of their choosing...

Each and every one of them...

This isn't accurate. Capers was the DC last year and Cameron was hired on January 19th, before Robiskie was retained. With regard to Capers, a 1st year head coach hired relatively late would likely be thrilled to have a guy on board that he knows what he can expect from. There is a point about continuity of coaches that even a new coach would be likely to see, especially if the guy in place is already successful.

It's a little ridiculous comparing guys with track records like Capers and Lebeau and Moore to a guy like Garrett who's never been a coordinator before, and wasn't here already. Couple his lack of experience with the reports that he's still being considered as a HC candidate would have to give any but either the marginal candidate or the guy that knows he's at the end of the string anyway to be uncomfortable about whether he's just keeping a seat warm for the heir apparent. It is an unusual order of hire for that reason.

Having said that, there is a plus if Garrett is as sharp as advertised. Pickings for assistants this time of year get pretty slim so if you bring in another young head coach after the SB with no staff in place it's a crap shoot what he'll be able to piece together for a staff. A bad staff usually = a bad HC. So that leads me to conclude it'll be Phillips or Turner, two guys that would probably take the job if Jerry told either one that he was going to call plays from the press box himself.

But if the intention is to look for a young up and comer like a Rivera I have to agree this is *** backwards. It's hard to see where Rivera would not view Garrett as a direct threat.

 

[bbgun]

Salma Hayek haunts my dreams... are you Salma??

Don't make me show you my cans.

 

[Arch Stanton]

well, i wouldn't go that far. then again, lucifer had his points also. : )
(kidding around man - it's a FRIDAY and i've got a date with an incredible lady tonight!!)

Do I know her? Sounds like she's hot!

 

[iceberg]

Do I know her? Sounds like she's hot!

nope you didn't meet her. she's never been to firewater. she's on the babes page - mistress of metal - angela.

now to go dig up some lasagna recepies...

 

[Arch Stanton]

nope you didn't meet her. she's never been to firewater. she's on the babes page - mistress of metal - angela.

now to go dig up some lasagna recepies...

Nice....enjoy your meal.

 

[LatinMind]

Moore was an established OC with an established offense in place and pretty damn good personnell.

Garrett doesnt have his offense in place.

Please show me where a new head coach came in after a coordinator was hired who was DIFFERENT from the previous one.

Had the Colts replaced Moore with say Norv Turner after they fired Mora and then Dungy came in it would be a similar situation.

But its not.

how is it not? the question wasnt if moore was established. it was , what team has had a oc in place before the hc. and i gave them an example. pay attention to the thread.

 

[wileedog]

how is it not? the question wasnt if moore was established. it was , what team has had a oc in place before the hc. and i gave them an example. pay attention to the thread.

No, the questions was hired before a HC, not inherited.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to keep a coordinator with an established unit and personnel, especially if they are a good unit like LeBeau's in Pittsburgh. It cuts down rebuilding and makes for an easier transition for the new coach.

There's very little advantage to bringing a completely new guy with a new system before even hiring the HC.

That's what I was looking for examples of, a team that hired a *new* coordinator before a HC and was successful.

 

[silverbear]

Yeah, I'm with you. I hate Michael Douglas just because of that fact.

I think you're got Catherine Zeta-Jones mixed up with Saint Salma...

CZ-J would do in a pinch, mind ya, but my heart's set on Salma...

 

[silverbear]

This isn't accurate. Capers was the DC last year

No, he wasn't... not according to the Fins' own website, which reported that he recently agreed to accept a PROMOTION to DC...

With regard to Capers, a 1st year head coach hired relatively late would likely be thrilled to have a guy on board that he knows what he can expect from.

While you're undoubtedly right about that, it doesn't change the basic fact that Cameron was FORCED to accept Capers as his DC...

It's a little ridiculous comparing guys with track records like Capers and Lebeau and Moore to a guy like Garrett

The ONLY comparison I'm making is that both are coordinators who are being "forced" on new head coaches, IOW the new head coach didn't get to make that decision... and that's DIRECTLY responsive to the argument being made about how completely outrageous it is for Jerry to deny his new head coach, whoever that might be, to pick his own offensive coordinator...

In that context, the rest of your argument isn't really relevant...

 

[baj1dallas]

Dale Hanson must be on!

indeed, what does that blowhard know about anything? anyway brian broddus was on earlier saying that he thought jerry was doing some pretty good things taking a look at phillips and hiring garrett and that he thought he'd hire norv turner this weekend.

 

[baj1dallas]

How dare he be an idiot and put the cart before the horse. The HC hires all assistants. Period. That's how it's done is competent, adult organizations. Otherwise, you're living in a banana republic.

that's just not true. that's how it's done usually but just because everybody else does one thing doesn't mean nothing else can work.

 

[baj1dallas]

You have zero evidence that that's the case, and Jerry's contempt for the position of HC does not give him the benefit of the doubt. Only dysfunctional organizations do business this way, and no HC candidate of any value would sign off on it. It's assbackwards.

Yea it's so backwards that every single pro coach that was mentioned as a possibility has been absolutely thrilled about the opportunity. Darn near every coach in the NFL would want to coach the Cowboys. Period.

 

[wileedog]

No, he wasn't... not according to the Fins' own website, which reported that he recently agreed to accept a PROMOTION to DC...

Dom Capers was not PROMOTED to defensive coordinator. They simply simply changed his title from Assistant Head Coach.

You think he was a LB coach or something last year?

 

[bbgun]

Yea it's so backwards that every single pro coach that was mentioned as a possibility has been absolutely thrilled about the opportunity. Darn near every coach in the NFL would want to coach the Cowboys. Period.

Ha! Yeah, that's a real embarrassment of riches we're working with. Hell, recycled losers like Wade and Norv would take the job even if ironing Jerry's shirts was of the conditions. Jerry never would have pulled this crap with Bill or Jimmy. Welcome to the bad ol' days.