15-4 vs 1-13

[cowboys2233]

Colts circa 2012 say hi!

Yeah, and that QB is going to be getting a bust in Canton, Ohio soon. What does Romo get? A busted back.

 

[cowboys2233]

Won championships with Jordan.....one none without him. Sure they got into the post season but that's pretty dependent on a guy.

They were still pretty darn competitive in the season after he left -- they made the playoffs and Pippen got robbed on a call that would have sent them to the next round (if I'm recalling correctly). We cannot win a single game without Romo. Not even close to the same.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They were still pretty darn competitive in the season after he left -- they made the playoffs and Pippen got robbed on a call that would have sent them to the next round (if I'm recalling correctly). We cannot win a single game without Romo. Not even close to the same.

I'm saying the impact is the same. Probably worse. We can't win anything WITH Romo if you want to get technical about it. Jordan was winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. They were just getting into the post season without him. I get it. They were still a good team without him. We are a bad team without Romo. But they were a GREAT team with him and we are a good team with Romo. I'd definitely say Jordan. Jordan was the difference between a championship and a early round exit.

 

[cowboys2233]

I'm saying the impact is the same. Probably worse. We can't win anything WITH Romo if you want to get technical about it. Jordan was winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. They were just getting into the post season without him. I get it. They were still a good team without him. We are a bad team without Romo. But they were a GREAT team with him and we are a good team with Romo. I'd definitely say Jordan. Jordan was the difference between a championship and a early round exit.

Yes, but the fact that we are a good team with Romo is not on Romo. We are TERRIBLE without Romo, we cannot win a single game. Not one. If we had a good team without Romo, we would definitely be a great team with him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, but the fact that we are a good team with Romo is not on Romo. We are TERRIBLE without Romo, we cannot win a single game. Not one. If we had a good team without Romo, we would definitely be a great team with him.

So you're arguing that we aren't a good team with Romo? Or you believe we are a great team with Romo?

 

[cowboys2233]

So you're arguing that we aren't a good team with Romo? Or you believe we are a great team with Romo?

I'm saying we are a terrible team without Romo. We are a good team with Romo. If we had a good team without Romo (like you're saying the Bulls were without Jordan), then we would be a great team with Romo, likely winning championships like the Bulls did with Jordan.

Under Romo's tenure, this team has been a 3 win team most years...at best. He singlehandedly carried us to those 8-8 seasons. Without Romo, we'd be talking about a string of 3 or 4 win seasons. That's the reality and tells you how inept this front office is. The fact that we have had so little playoff success with a HOF-caliber QB in Romo (yeah, I said it) is the absolute biggest indictment of this entire organization. Not only that, but Romo has been a very cap-friendly QB for the most part, certainly when he became the starter. And yet, this front office couldn't put a team around him that was capable of winning anything.

 

[DBOY3141]

I'm saying we are a terrible team without Romo. We are a good team with Romo. If we had a good team without Romo (like you're saying the Bulls were without Jordan), then we would be a great team with Romo, likely winning championships like the Bulls did with Jordan.

Under Romo's tenure, this team has been a 3 win team most years...at best. He singlehandedly carried us to those 8-8 seasons. Without Romo, we'd be talking about a string of 3 or 4 win seasons. That's the reality and tells you how inept this front office is. The fact that we have had so little playoff success with a HOF-caliber QB in Romo (yeah, I said it) is the absolute biggest indictment of this entire organization. Not only that, but Romo has been a very cap-friendly QB for the most part, certainly when he became the starter. And yet, this front office couldn't put a team around him that was capable of winning anything.

And that will not change in my lifetime or yours. When JJ is gone, Stephen will take the title of GM and nothing will change. He's as incapable of building a football team as his daddy is. Watch and see.

 

[Gameover]

They were very good in 2014

Should've played in NFC title game

Were they?

Check the schedule.

 

[erod]

Carthage after they lost Hannibal count?

That's way to high-brow history for this lot. LOL

And I don't think the Punic Wars can get past the filter.

 

[Virginia-Dave]

he's not better than Brady, Montana or Aikman and all those teams were able to thrive when they were injured(suspended)

And we were lucky to win the first 2 games last year. Let's not make Romo out to be more than he is.

Old Brad Johnson
Brandon Weeden
Matt Cassel

Those are the main reasons the Cowboys haven't won games without Romo. That and maybe the teams not that good. Take the 12-4 away, and Romo's winning about at a .500 clip(over 2011-13). And I'm starting to think that 12-4 season was a product of playing the AFC South teams for 4 games. Not to mention the Rams and a bad Chicago Bears team.

Everybody needs to slow it down on the Romo praise.

And yet somehow "Old" Brandon Weeden was able to lead the Texans to 2 victories, on the road, against division rivals, in the same season the Cowboys couldn't win anything with him. He essentially got the Texans into the playoffs.

Funny that you say "and maybe the teams not that good", because that just proves the point: Romo is the only reason the Cowboys have even been relevant the last 10 years. He has carried this team his entire career, I don't understand how people can still argue it after last season.

 

[Gameover]

Won championships with Jordan.....one none without him. Sure they got into the post season but that's pretty dependent on a guy.

Non sense

You shouldn't just dismiss them still being a top 3/4 team without Jordan. Take Pippen or Grant away and they don't three peat.

Those Bulls teams were stacked, especially for the era they played in.

More talented then teams in the 80's. ? No

But they weren't competing against the 80's teams.

 

[Kevinicus]

The Chicago Bulls of the 90's.

The Bulls were still one of the top teams without Jordan.

 

[Gameover]

Why would you take 12-4 away? He's had 11-5 seasons, 12 win seasons, 9 wins and 13 wins.......Let's not kid ourselves now. Romo is a top 10 quarterback in this league. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to win without him.

2011-13

 

[kevm3]

Romo has a big effect on this team, bottom line, but let's also be honest and attribute that 12 and 4 year to Demarco Murray AND Romo, with Dez being healthy as well. The 4 and 12 year saw the departure of Murray, Dez injured early on and Romo being out.

 

[Rack]

I'm saying the impact is the same. Probably worse. We can't win anything WITH Romo if you want to get technical about it. Jordan was winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. They were just getting into the post season without him. I get it. They were still a good team without him. We are a bad team without Romo. But they were a GREAT team with him and we are a good team with Romo. I'd definitely say Jordan. Jordan was the difference between a championship and a early round exit.

That should only open your eyes to how terrible the talent is (other than Romo, especially on defense). Not to mention the actual system in place by the coaches and staff.

Romo deserves a lot of credit for making this sorry excuse for a football team competitive despite the lack of talent (in both the players and staff).

 

[cowboys2233]

Romo has a big effect on this team, bottom line, but let's also be honest and attribute that 12 and 4 year to Demarco Murray AND Romo, with Dez being healthy as well. The 4 and 12 year saw the departure of Murray, Dez injured early on and Romo being out.

Dez? You mean the wide receiver that isn't capable of getting open unless Romo is throwing him the ball? That Dez?

 

[Aven8]

not true

Pistons fan huh?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Non sense

You shouldn't just dismiss them still being a top 3/4 team without Jordan. Take Pippen or Grant away and they don't three peat.

Those Bulls teams were stacked, especially for the era they played in.

More talented then teams in the 80's. ? No

But they weren't competing against the 80's teams.

They win championships with Jordan. Broke records. Without him they were just decent.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That should only open your eyes to how terrible the talent is (other than Romo, especially on defense). Not to mention the actual system in place by the coaches and staff.

Romo deserves a lot of credit for making this sorry excuse for a football team competitive despite the lack of talent (in both the players and staff).

I don't buy the talent is terrible. Just don't. I've seen teams with less do more.

 

[Rack]

I don't buy the talent is terrible. Just don't. I've seen teams with less do more.

Then I believe you are over-evaluating the talent on the team.

Name all the players, not on the OL, who you believe are above average. Sean Lee is the only one that comes to mind (that is proven. Sure there's some players with "Potential" but word potential is only used for players that haven't actually produced yet).