1st and 10 talks Cowboys on Hard Knocks - 5/7/08

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Mr Cowboy;2074991 said:
I saw an interview with Romo last night on the local news. It was after he missed the cut for the qualifying, and he said that he has not had time to come out and practice his golf game much because he is spending so much time with his football job.

Yeah, he played 9 holes last week in preparation for the qualifier.

It's May, what is the kid supposed to be locked in a room looking over film from last season?

I think people need to relax on the idea that Romo isn't just as dedicated to winning as a guy like Peyton Manning. If Romo's heart wasn't in it 100% the kid would not have spent four years waiting around for his shot at earning a starting job.
 

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As for Romo vs Eli.

There are 31 NFL teams who would take Romo over Eli in a heartbeat.

That says enough to me.
 

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Thehoofbite;2074896 said:
I gotta take Romo. Manning just isn't a QB who you can call a Franchise type. He's too inconsistent. I don't think age should really matter that much. Romo should have a long enough career to where I would take the production over mediocre play.

With that said, if you told me that from this point forward Eli was going to play around the level he played at in the playoffs and limit turnovers the way he did, I'd be tempted. The way he played is exactly how you want your QB to play. Put points up and limited mistakes, what more can you ask. So, I would be tempted if you threw it that little caveat.

But, it works both ways I suppose because if Romo could do the same, Eli couldn't compete with Romo one bit but until Romo shows he can, Im going to be skeptical. Post bye week last season, Romo only had one week where he didn't throw an INT. Granted his numbers were great other then that but combined with a Fumble in all but two weeks, its a little much.

Personally, I think thats all hes got left to work on. Ball security and bad throws/over-confidence (whatever you want to attribute it to) are the only parts in his game where he can use work. If he could improve in those areas, there wouldn't any doubt in my mind that Dallas is a contender every year hes out there.

I really don't need to see Romo throw for 40 TDs and this season. I'd much rather see 30 TDs and half as many INTs and Fumbles

good points.

ndanger;2074973 said:
Since you've lost your driver status on the Dmac bandwagon, and you're familiar with New York traffic, maybe you should reinstate yourself as the new driver of the legendary Eli Manning New York Football Giants Bandwagon...All Aboard!


I would seriously consider it if I were you, 'cause your gonna look real silly around here when the Cowboys make it to the Super bowl and your boy go's back to slumping around the sidelines pouting 'cause Shockey stole his milk money.

geeze are you Tony Romo himself? talk about taking something a little to personal.
superpunk;2074978 said:
Eli Manning is 27 (he's about 9 months younger than Tony Romo, not 4 years), and had the 25th best QB rating in the NFL last season. Worse than Kyle Boller and only slightly better than the horrifying Vince Young.

Saying you'd prefer that to what Romo brings to the table is akin to saying you'd prefer Zak DeOssie to DeMarcus Ware because he won a super bowl and has a football heritage.

In a word - dumb.

idk why i thought Eli was 24:confused: but the qb rating stat I really don't care about. it also doesn't count fumbles into that rating. but even with Eli's 25th ranked rating they still won 10 games and 3 road playoff games and than won the superbowl against an undefeated team. so that just adds to my opinion on the qb rating stat. I think Romo is more talented but hasn't looked good under pressure yet(not pass rush but postseason pressure) and Eli has. plus i question where Romo's heart is. seems like he has so much going on and football is just another thing that's going on for him. but i hope he proves me wrong.
 

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Rampage;2075511 said:
idk why i thought Eli was 24:confused: but the qb rating stat I really don't care about. it also doesn't count fumbles into that rating. but even with Eli's 25th ranked rating they still won 10 games and 3 road playoff games and than won the superbowl against an undefeated team. so that just adds to my opinion on the qb rating stat.

That's just dumb reasoning.

It is extremely unlikely that a team will win a super bowl with a QB as bad as Eli Manning. Just because the Giants managed to do it doesn't make Eli a superior QB - it makes the Giants a superior team. They won in spite of Eli. When it comes to which QB gives you the best chance to win, week in and week out - Eli Manning has proved that he's not that guy. The fact that his team got hot and carried him to a super bowl victory doesn't change that one bit.
 

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superpunk;2075547 said:
That's just dumb reasoning.

It is extremely unlikely that a team will win a super bowl with a QB as bad as Eli Manning. Just because the Giants managed to do it doesn't make Eli a superior QB - it makes the Giants a superior team. They won in spite of Eli. When it comes to which QB gives you the best chance to win, week in and week out - Eli Manning has proved that he's not that guy. The fact that his team got hot and carried him to a super bowl victory doesn't change that one bit.

If asante samuel hangs onto that ball manning would have taken 100% of the blame for the loss in the superbowl.

Samuels dropped it and the giants went onto win.

If crayton keeps running, romo and crayton go down as legends in cowboys history, game clinching td in the same corner staubach hit hill in 79 vs the Commanders...I think..it was the same corner, off the top of my head I think it was!!
 

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superpunk;2075547 said:
That's just dumb reasoning.

It is extremely unlikely that a team will win a super bowl with a QB as bad as Eli Manning. Just because the Giants managed to do it doesn't make Eli a superior QB - it makes the Giants a superior team. They won in spite of Eli. When it comes to which QB gives you the best chance to win, week in and week out - Eli Manning has proved that he's not that guy. The fact that his team got hot and carried him to a super bowl victory doesn't change that one bit.
maybe in the regular season but not in the playoffs. he was a game manager in the playoffs and made few mistakes.
 

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And I thought some posters couldn't possibly get dumber.
 

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Rampage;2075553 said:
maybe in the regular season but not in the playoffs. he was a game manager in the playoffs and made few mistakes.

That doesn't make him a good QB, or a better QB. It makes him adequate - a QB that has proved he can be carried by an excellent team, so long as he managed to stay out of their way.

That isn't good QB play. That's just not being a piece of crap.

If you had to pick which QB (on his own) gives you the best chance to win every sunday, you MUST pick Tony Romo. Choosing Eli Manning based on the accomplishments of his team would be very foolish. He is an inferior QB. A few playoff and super bowl wins don't change that.
 

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superpunk;2075547 said:
That's just dumb reasoning.

It is extremely unlikely that a team will win a super bowl with a QB as bad as Eli Manning. Just because the Giants managed to do it doesn't make Eli a superior QB - it makes the Giants a superior team. They won in spite of Eli. When it comes to which QB gives you the best chance to win, week in and week out - Eli Manning has proved that he's not that guy. The fact that his team got hot and carried him to a super bowl victory doesn't change that one bit.

it's the old adage, the QB either gets too much credit, or too much blame
 

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should have been the end.

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superpunk;2075562 said:
That doesn't make him a good QB, or a better QB. It makes him adequate - a QB that has proved he can be carried by an excellent team, so long as he managed to stay out of their way.

That isn't good QB play. That's just not being a piece of crap.

If you had to pick which QB (on his own) gives you the best chance to win every sunday, you MUST pick Tony Romo. Choosing Eli Manning based on the accomplishments of his team would be very foolish. He is an inferior QB. A few playoff and super bowl wins don't change that.
Tony Romo has 2 tds and 1 interception in 2 playoff games. i'm not saying Eli is a better qb but with what manning has accomplished it makes a good arguement. you're just giving him no credit what's so ever.
 

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theebs;2075571 said:
http://i8.***BLOCKED***/albums/a46/Theebs/Play-1.jpg

should have been the end.

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didn't corey webster have a chance to pick off Romo just like that(off his hands) when we played the giants?
 

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yes, that was in the 2nd qtr though.

Eli was fortunate on the final drive.

Realistically, romo was lucky to not throw close to 30 int's this year.
 

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Rampage;2075573 said:
Tony Romo has 2 tds and 1 interception in 2 playoff games.

In Eli Manning's first two playoff games, he had 2 TDs and 4 INTs. Both losses. His team couldn't overcome his ineptitude at that point.

i'm not saying Eli is a better qb

Then what are you saying? That he has gentler features, and if you had to choose someone to cuddle in front of a fireplace with a nice merlot, it would be Eli Manning?

but with what manning has accomplished it makes a good arguement.

No it doesn't. No amount of inept reasoning can make the Giants accomplishments=Eli Manning's accomplishments. He led the league in turnovers last season. Rationalize how that gives you the best chance to win on Sunday.

you're just giving him no credit what's so ever.

I acknowledged that he stopped playing like a piece of crap when it mattered. Anything more would be dishonest.
 

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Rampage;2075511 said:
but the qb rating stat I really don't care about. it also doesn't count fumbles into that rating.

Lucky for Eli. Romo fumbled ten times last year. Eli.....fumbled 13 times.
 

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superpunk;2075585 said:
In Eli Manning's first two playoff games, he had 2 TDs and 4 INTs. Both losses. His team couldn't overcome his ineptitude at that point.



Then what are you saying? That he has gentler features, and if you had to choose someone to cuddle in front of a fireplace with a nice merlot, it would be Eli Manning?



No it doesn't. No amount of inept reasoning can make the Giants accomplishments=Eli Manning's accomplishments.



I acknowledged that he stopped playing like a piece of crap when it mattered. Anything more would be dishonest.

#1 i'm saying if some offered me a trade between eli and Romo i'd have to really think about it.

#2 are you serious? he's the giants freaking qb so his accomplishments factor into the teams accomplishments.
 

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Rampage;2075598 said:
#1 i'm saying if some offered me a trade between eli and Romo i'd have to really think about it.
Did you by chance live under power lines as a child?

#2 are you serious? he's the giants freaking qb so his accomplishments factor into the teams accomplishments.

What do "equals" mean?

I can't help you.
 

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superpunk;2075602 said:
Did you by chance live under power lines as a child?



What do "equals" mean?

I can't help you.
well i can't help you either. you are just 1 of many on this board who underrate Eli and overrate Romo. ive seen posts recently that said "i don't think their's even 2 qbs i'd take over Romo" Romo is a good regular season qb but we don't know what he is as a postseason qb yet. so far it ain't to good though.
 

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I cant believe this is even a debate. The only people I could see trying to make an arguement for Eli would be Giant fans. I wonder if you would take Dilfer over Romo? Another avg. QB on a great team that won a SB.
 
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