1st and 5 or 2nd and 2

[blueblood70]

Maher's game winning field goal barely made it through. If you take away those two yards he could have missed. So it wasn't about getting more downs it was about field position. McCarthy made the right decision on that one.

Situational football, situational decisions.

agreed it was close call could go either way but time and FP was his only decision and took both..i say either decision would have been the correct one. there was no bad decision in that situation. so we are all right including MM let it go LOL
they upset at the 4th and 2 throw for 17 or well hes not getting credit for that all his positive pays are luck..lmao,

 

[grgnfg420]

This is a great thread

there is absolutely no doubt that the idiot head coach got this wrong. The extra down is far more important than the 3 yards. Not to mention that same idiot screwed up the game clock management a few moments later burning his last time out w 18 seconds left, lololll. He’s totally clueless.

Lol I knew I wasn’t the only one scratching my head after that decision so I was curious if I was the only one.

 

[grgnfg420]

The field goal that this decision effected was not the game winning fg it was the one before the half and it was right down the middle and it looked to have enough distance for 3 more yards.

Either way it’s much more fun arguing about this stuff after a win than some of the stuff discussed on here after a loss.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

That field goal was good by a couple of feet to the right.. those extra three yards was difference between wide right and goin to sleep happy

 

[VACowboy]

He wasn't wrong either way but I think taking the yards with two to go for a first down was the better call. I do not get the insistence to not to throw a pass and get a little closer on the last play before the kick, though. This is the second time he's done that in Dallas and a kicker hit a long field goal to bail him out.

 

[aikemirv]

The field goal that this decision effected was not the game winning fg it was the one before the half and it was right down the middle and it looked to have enough distance for 3 more yards.

Either way it’s much more fun arguing about this stuff after a win than some of the stuff discussed on here after a loss.

You are not correct.

https://www.nfl.com/games/bengals-at-cowboys-2022-reg-2

 

[Runwildboys]

Do y’all remember that scenario after there was a defensive holding call. We got an 8 yard play and I thought we would still accept the penalty to stay at first down but MM chose to decline it to make it 2nd and 2.

Was I the only one that would rather have the extra down rather than the two yards?

I didn’t like mm’s decision on that one even though it didn’t really matter in the long run.

I was questioning that too, but I can't say it was a wrong decision. I probably would've gone with the penalty, but hey, if you can't get 2 yards on 2 or 3 downs, it probably wouldn't make a difference anyway.

 

[grgnfg420]

That field goal was good by a couple of feet to the right.. those extra three yards was difference between wide right and goin to sleep happy

This didn’t happen on the game winning drive

 

[Runwildboys]

No, it was over 50.

The down is worth way more than 2-3 yards there.

It was almost as bad as the last timeout with 18 seconds.

:53, IIRC.

 

[Bagman]

No, it was over 50.

The down is worth way more than 2-3 yards there.

It was almost as bad as the last timeout with 18 seconds.

Only problem was it was indecision on Rush's part moreso than McCarthy

 

[Trendnet]

This didn’t happen on the game winning drive

Doubling down after being proven incorrect is such a strange trend.

 

[grgnfg420]

Doubling down after being proven incorrect is such a strange trend.

No I just coulda sworn it was during the first half fg attempt. Not being a jerk or anything but where was it proved that this decision was made on the game winning drive?

 

[TheCoolFan]

For defensive holding, it is a 5 yard penalty and a new set of downs (not 1st and 5). So the choice was either:

Accept the penalty: 1st and 10 at the 40
Decline the penalty and take the play: 2nd and 2 at the 43

So in this case, it was the right decision. They took the extra yards but more importantly, you have more options in your playbook on 2nd and 2 (defense still has to account for the run) compared to 1st and 10 (most likely a passing play)

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

No I just coulda sworn it was during the first half fg attempt. Not being a jerk or anything but where was it proved that this decision was made on the game winning drive?

It was on the final drive of the game. Bro the game ended less than 24 hours ago. How are you so forgetful so soon….?

 

[JustChip]

Do y’all remember that scenario after there was a defensive holding call. We got an 8 yard play and I thought we would still accept the penalty to stay at first down but MM chose to decline it to make it 2nd and 2.

Was I the only one that would rather have the extra down rather than the two yards?

I didn’t like mm’s decision on that one even though it didn’t really matter in the long run.

I thought that was a strange decision. It was an offside, I believe, so it would’ve been 1st & 5. I don’t remember if the result if the okay was a long 2 or short 2 yards. I’d decline the penalty if it was a short 2, like 1 1/2 yards.

 

[McKDaddy]

For defensive holding, it is a 5 yard penalty and a new set of downs (not 1st and 5). So the choice was either:

Accept the penalty: 1st and 10 at the 40
Decline the penalty and take the play: 2nd and 2 at the 43

So in this case, it was the right decision. They took the extra yards but more importantly, you have more options in your playbook on 2nd and 2 (defense still has to account for the run) compared to 1st and 10 (most likely a passing play)

How many timeouts at that time? 2?
I would take that into consideration. I know yards are important but additional downs gives you the ability to spike the ball if needed. 53 seconds is a world of time with a timeout or two. I'm going to have some confidence that my team can get more than 3 yards in that amount of time.
I'll have to rewatch the last drive. Not saying it was bad decision but in real time it did seem weird.

 

[McKDaddy]

No I just coulda sworn it was during the first half fg attempt. Not being a jerk or anything but where was it proved that this decision was made on the game winning drive?

We are all talking about the game winning FG. I don't recall anything controversial about the kick to end the first half.

 

[TheCoolFan]

How many timeouts at that time? 2?
I would take that into consideration. I know yards are important but additional downs gives you the ability to spike the ball if needed. 53 seconds is a world of time with a timeout or two. I'm going to have some confidence that my team can get more than 3 yards in that amount of time.
I'll have to rewatch the last drive. Not saying it was bad decision but in real time it did seem weird.

I believe they just had 1 timeout to start that drive. The extra down sounds nice on paper and in a non-two-minute drive situation, I would probably enforce the penalty. But all it takes is a quick incompletion on 1st down - an inaccurate pass, batted ball, etc. and then suddenly it's 2nd and 10 and you lose that advantage. The goal is to get a big chunk play downfield to get into FG range and 2nd and 2 gives you more potential to do that. That's why there's a saying that "2nd and short is every playcaller's dream" because the entire playbook is open in that down and distance.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Those 3 yards may have been the difference in the FG - I think it would hit the post 3 yards back! I have looked at that FG multiple times and I still don't see it go inside the uprights - My eyes are failing me!

I thought it was going to hit the upright, and was ready to scream in anger, then the refs put their arms up and Nantz screamed it was good, so I screamed in happiness

 

[grgnfg420]

It was on the final drive of the game. Bro the game ended less than 24 hours ago. How are you so forgetful so soon….?

It was an emotional game and I was at a bar sorry i couldn’t remember