2 Questions For the Zoners Who Want to Let Moore Go

[BoyzBlaster]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

 

[CATCH17]

The only reason to change from Moore is we know how things currently are that Dak can’t get us over the jump so maybe a shakeup is what’s needed.

Kellen Moore is not the problem but what else can we do…

 

[Staubacher]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

I've asked similar questions here with no real answers. Good luck

 

[JBS]

You wrote down the issue w Moore yourself. He can’t get the most out of Dak. Period. Somebody else needs to try.

 

[JBS]

I've asked similar questions here with no real answers. Good luck

I answered it for you. It’s quite simple. Not that hard to understand

 

[JBS]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

Do you think the offense can be worse than the 2 playoff losses to SF? Hard to imagine it can be any worse than that

 

[Sydla]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

1. I don't really know. All I know is Dak is here because of his contract and Dak + Moore doesn't seem to work consistently.

2. Quite possible. But we know what we have now apparently isn't working. I am not afraid of change. And if anything, if the offense is worse, it exposes Dak and hopefully they don't extend him. My biggest fear is Dak is the issue and with Moore they do just enough to warrant Jerry and Stephen doubling down and handing over a bigger contract to Dak.

 

[Frosty]

The only reason to change from Moore is we know how things currently are that Dak can’t get us over the jump so maybe a shakeup is what’s needed.

Kellen Moore is not the problem but what else can we do…

A new OC will bring new ideas, fresh ideas to the table and hopefully broaden DAK knowledge....I think they really need to bring a ex-QB like Drew Bress to teach/Assist DAK in reading defenses and making decisions on the field.

A new OC (Brian Johnson) and Dress Bree's as QB Coach would go along way to fix DAK. (Bring in the RPO game plan)

 

[Bobhaze]

The biggest misunderstanding about our offense is overrating statistical rankings. In the playoffs, defenses are WAY better. It’s nice to have an offense that racks up yards. But who cares about that when you can’t do it in the playoffs?
(My answers in italicized bold)
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished? A new OC could do two very important things to help:

• 1. Design the offense around Dak’s strengths, not his weaknesses. Moore’s offense is a spin-off of the offense designed for Tony Romo by Scott Linehan back around 2014.
• 2. This offense needs a ton of modernizing. This offense runs a ton of high school level passing routes. It’s why defenses laugh at how easy it is to cover. Dak could greatly benefit from a scheme with update route trees that scheme people open more than rely on the receiver to beat his man.

2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC will be worse not better?

• I disagree. In fact, hiring an OC with a more modern approach to the passing game could make things way easier for the passing game. Look at what the rams have done for years for their QBs and receivers. They have some very cleverly schemed routes that make it easier for everyone.
• Andy Reid’s offense is designed to scheme plays that put instant pressure on the defense in coverage by using lots of motion, movement and rolling the pocket. Dak isn’t Mahomes of course but he does pass well while on the move. Moving Dak around will help him a ton.

BOTTOM LINE: Forget the regular season stats. Look at the playoff stats the last 6 playoff games we’ve been in. That will tell us a ton about how outdated this offense is.

 

[nightrain]

1. The Cowboys need a play caller who is better with situational football and giving different looks that fool the defense than Moore. The passing game mostly contained simple route trees and put too many receivers out on long developing routes in medium yardage situations. The running game needs to be emphasized so as to set up the passing attack (helps Dak). RBs getting short passes in space (helps Dak) are a dangerous element to an offense and will predicate how a defense runs coverage.

2. How much of Moore's offense success has been due to the talent on the field?

 

[tomsanders921]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

Dak and Kellen are the best duo in history when it comes to padding stats against bad teams.

 

[J_Allen]

Given that we are stuck with Dak and this is the best he can do with him, he needs to find another job.

His play calling in obvious running situations is suspect. What the hell was he doing calling four wide on 4th and 1 in jacksonville? Why was he calling a pass play on 3rd and 2 in San Francisco. Why does he keep running these reverses that Net Zero yards? Why does he get cute in or near the red zone? Why does he keep bouncing Zeke to the outside when he doesn't have speed anymore?

 

[stuckindc]

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For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

How does his vaunted top scoring offense do when he goes up against a top defense? It’s easy to beat up on average or below average teams but when going against good to top defenses, it’s always the same result. Minimal scoring, bad play calls and turnovers. It’s his job to coach Dak up and call plays to beat top defenses. He has yet to do that. It’s time for a new OC

 

[USArmyVet]

You wrote down the issue w Moore yourself. He can’t get the most out of Dak. Period. Somebody else needs to try.

Perhaps the issue is that there is no Moore to get out of Dak so the easiest thing for McCarthy and Jerry is to blame Kellen and not the real $160M problem.

 

[USArmyVet]

Do you think the offense can be worse than the 2 playoff losses to SF? Hard to imagine it can be any worse than that

Dak stats in 2 losses to SF in the playoffs (2021 & 2022):

46 of 80 57.5% Comp % 460 yards 2 td's 3 int's

So where in those stats is it Kellen's fault and not the fault of the choke artist QB????

 

[JBS]

Dak stats in 2 losses to SF in the playoffs (2021 & 2022):

46 of 80 57.5% Comp % 460 yards 2 td's 3 int's

So where in those stats is it Kellen's fault and not the fault of the choke artist QB????

I’m not saying there is definitely more that can be squeezed out of the qb. But we don’t know without trying. What we do know is we are stuck w the qb. So your only hope is to change the OC. We know it doesn’t work as is. We know Dak isn’t going anywhere. So there is nothing left but to change OC. It’s not very hard to figure out.

 

[Direwolf63]

It's going to be hysterical around here when somebody else comes in and the offense ends up middle of the pack. The bellowing is going to be off the charts entertaining.

Moving on from Moore will not work

 

[USArmyVet]

The biggest misunderstanding about our offense is overrating statistical rankings. In the playoffs, defenses are WAY better. It’s nice to have an offense that racks up yards. But who cares about that when you can’t do it in the playoffs?
(My answers in italicized bold)
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished? A new OC could do two very important things to help:

• 1. Design the offense around Dak’s strengths, not his weaknesses. Moore’s offense is a spin-off of the offense designed for Tony Romo by Scott Linehan back around 2014.
• 2. This offense needs a ton of modernizing. This offense runs a ton of high school level passing routes. It’s why defenses laugh at how easy it is to cover. Dak could greatly benefit from a scheme with update route trees that scheme people open more than rely on the receiver to beat his man.

2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC will be worse not better?

• I disagree. In fact, hiring an OC with a more modern approach to the passing game could make things way easier for the passing game. Look at what the rams have done for years for their QBs and receivers. They have some very cleverly schemed routes that make it easier for everyone.
• Andy Reid’s offense is designed to scheme plays that put instant pressure on the defense in coverage by using lots of motion, movement and rolling the pocket. Dak isn’t Mahomes of course but he does pass well while on the move. Moving Dak around will help him a ton.

BOTTOM LINE: Forget the regular season stats. Look at the playoff stats the last 6 playoff games we’ve been in. That will tell us a ton about how outdated this offense is.

Could it be possible that the offense is designed in the manner that it is BECAUSE of Dak? By that I mean the simplicity is done to match Dak's abilities as a more complex offense would be simply too much for Dak? Given his struggles in what some say is a simplified offense could a more complex offense bring about even more liabilities on behalf of Dak?

 

[Captain-Crash]

big surprise we are trying to make all kinds of changes because the quarterback sucks. The offensive line sucks the wide receivers, the running back,, the offensive coordinator, the defense. Hum sounds like the real problem is one guy. Let's get a better defensive coordinator to keep the other team from scoring. That's the only way pea brain is winning anything with his slow processing skill set and his fear. smh

 

[Captain-Crash]

Could it be possible that the offense is designed in the manner that it is BECAUSE of Dak? By that I mean the simplicity is done to match Dak's abilities as a more complex offense would be simply too much for Dak? Given his struggles in what some say is a simplified offense could a more complex offense bring about even more liabilities on behalf of Dak?

Exactly. Lets get a miracle worker to come in an create miracles to fix the real issue.