2 Questions For the Zoners Who Want to Let Moore Go

[SultanOfSix]

While Romo saved people’s jobs longer than they should’ve had them (aka Garrett), it appears Dak is a factor in causing others to lose their jobs — starting (wrongfully IMO) with Romo.

 

[Whyjerry]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

1. Perhaps it is Dak that carried Moore. Look at his stats. Dak has been a good QB. Also look at the rest of the offense. Solid across the board. It should be a good offense.

2. It will be more efficient and balanced without him. Stop looking at the stats and focus on Moore vs good defenses. He gets beat every time.

Here is Moore in a nutshell…

Huge drive. Red zone. 2nd and 2. Spread with 5 wide. Back field empty. Dak in shotgun. Zero motion. Vs the best defense in the league. Pass attempt. Interception. A totally moronic call. That’s Moore. He has been doing that for years. Guy sucks.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

You let Moore go and whatever of an offense we have goes drastically downhill as Moore knows all of Dak's flaws and they are many.
At this point I figure he will be here next season as finding a talented demand OC with Dak at QB will either take a MASSIVE check by Jerry or another yes-man.

 

[shabazz]

I've asked similar questions here with no real answers. Good luck

The reason why is because we ALL know that the one thing that needs to be changed WONT be changed

the Lord Jesus Christ could be the next OC and even he couldn’t perform the miracle of fixing Rayne Dakota Prescotta

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

Here's my answers to the question.

1. A new OC, especially consistent with Mike McCarthy's style, would help Dak because of style of offense. For one thing, Moore runs an offense that other teams see as simplistic and a lot have worked out how to defend against it. Especially when Moore runs as many curl routes as he does. A new OC, if the right one, would have a different set of routes and offense that he likes to use. This helps Dak because teams won't have quite the same beat on the offense that teams do with Moore because he runs a Garrett/Linehan offense.
2. Not necessarily the case, and, even if the numbers perse take a dip, I think we will see more consistency. Our offense won't be one, in other words, that comes out and beats the tar out of the offense and is flat against SFO. It'd be more consistent to where teams don't know what we will do, but we will also keep doing what's working. Moore hasn't mastered the art. There are OCs and QB coaches who have been OCs that have done it better.

I'll finish this by pointing out that Moore and McCarthy have different philosophies. So, that should be addressed too.

 

[Bobhaze]

Could it be possible that the offense is designed in the manner that it is BECAUSE of Dak? By that I mean the simplicity is done to match Dak's abilities as a more complex offense would be simply too much for Dak? Given his struggles in what some say is a simplified offense could a more complex offense bring about even more liabilities on behalf of Dak?

IMO- The offense we've had here for years is not simple. It’s just outdated. I mean Tom Landry’s offense in the 70s was fairly complicated. But it’s now out dated. I think that’s true about Moore’s offense.

 

[USArmyVet]

1. Perhaps it is Dak that carried Moore. Look at his stats. Dak has been a good QB. Also look at the rest of the offense. Solid across the board. It should be a good offense.

2. It will be more efficient and balanced without him. Stop looking at the stats and focus on Moore vs good defenses. He gets beat every time.

Here is Moore in a nutshell…

Huge drive. Red zone. 2nd and 2. Spread with 5 wide. Back field empty. Dak in shotgun. Zero motion. Vs the best defense in the league. Pass attempt. Interception. A totally moronic call. That’s Moore. He has been doing that for years. Guy sucks.

So how could it be that Dak "carried" Kellen Moore given people have said Moore sucked this year in spite of Dak holding the INT leader position for the season????
Also, you say look at Moore against good defenses as a reason to get rid of him yet look at Dak against good defenses so why defend him instead of looking to get rid of him???
Oh, and on that 2nd and 2 example, who was the QB that threw the pass when the wr was surrounded by two defenders?????

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Captain-Crash]

come on lets get a new OC, then next year the excuse is pea brain dak isn't familiar enough with the new system. next year fat mike. Dang, this is jason garrett all over again.

 

[DFWJC]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

This is also what Laufenberg said the other day on the radio.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

1. Perhaps it is Dak that carried Moore. Look at his stats. Dak has been a good QB. Also look at the rest of the offense. Solid across the board. It should be a good offense.

2. It will be more efficient and balanced without him. Stop looking at the stats and focus on Moore vs good defenses. He gets beat every time.

Here is Moore in a nutshell…

Huge drive. Red zone. 2nd and 2. Spread with 5 wide. Back field empty. Dak in shotgun. Zero motion. Vs the best defense in the league. Pass attempt. Interception. A totally moronic call. That’s Moore. He has been doing that for years. Guy sucks.

 

[Captain-Crash]

 

[G2]

It gets tiresome repeating the same examples of why Moore needs to go, when asked and then it goes ignored.
People don't want to discuss his shortcomings unless that can dump on Dak. They can't both have struggles here.

I've yet to hear ANYONE defend Moore's scheme, play calling, route concepts and gametime decisions.

 

[Flamma]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

I'm not a big Moore fan, but I have to admit you're right. And besides week 1, this is the first year the Cowboys didn't have any no show games from the offense.

 

[USArmyVet]

Here's my answers to the question.

1. A new OC, especially consistent with Mike McCarthy's style, would help Dak because of style of offense. For one thing, Moore runs an offense that other teams see as simplistic and a lot have worked out how to defend against it. Especially when Moore runs as many curl routes as he does. A new OC, if the right one, would have a different set of routes and offense that he likes to use. This helps Dak because teams won't have quite the same beat on the offense that teams do with Moore because he runs a Garrett/Linehan offense.
2. Not necessarily the case, and, even if the numbers perse take a dip, I think we will see more consistency. Our offense won't be one, in other words, that comes out and beats the tar out of the offense and is flat against SFO. It'd be more consistent to where teams don't know what we will do, but we will also keep doing what's working. Moore hasn't mastered the art. There are OCs and QB coaches who have been OCs that have done it better.

I'll finish this by pointing out that Moore and McCarthy have different philosophies. So, that should be addressed too.

McCarthy's style????? The same guy who lied to get the job and hasn't called plays in how many years and only won 1 Super Bowl in spite of having a HoF QB???? Okay.

 

[Whyjerry]

Lol. Typical moronic response from the people that can’t see the dysfunction and focus it all on the QB. Jason Garrett for 10 years and they hand the offense over to a 30 year old goober 3rd string QB from Boise. Gift wrapping a premium job to a guy that didn’t deserve it. Didn’t earn it. Now that it hasn’t worked out we lump it all on the QB. Moronic.

 

[CTcowboy203]

The biggest misunderstanding about our offense is overrating statistical rankings. In the playoffs, defenses are WAY better. It’s nice to have an offense that racks up yards. But who cares about that when you can’t do it in the playoffs?
(My answers in italicized bold)
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished? A new OC could do two very important things to help:

• 1. Design the offense around Dak’s strengths, not his weaknesses. Moore’s offense is a spin-off of the offense designed for Tony Romo by Scott Linehan back around 2014.
• 2. This offense needs a ton of modernizing. This offense runs a ton of high school level passing routes. It’s why defenses laugh at how easy it is to cover. Dak could greatly benefit from a scheme with update route trees that scheme people open more than rely on the receiver to beat his man.

2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC will be worse not better?

• I disagree. In fact, hiring an OC with a more modern approach to the passing game could make things way easier for the passing game. Look at what the rams have done for years for their QBs and receivers. They have some very cleverly schemed routes that make it easier for everyone.
• Andy Reid’s offense is designed to scheme plays that put instant pressure on the defense in coverage by using lots of motion, movement and rolling the pocket. Dak isn’t Mahomes of course but he does pass well while on the move. Moving Dak around will help him a ton.

BOTTOM LINE: Forget the regular season stats. Look at the playoff stats the last 6 playoff games we’ve been in. That will tell us a ton about how outdated this offense is.

Pretty much this.

 

[Kingofholland]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

Moore is a streaky coordinator. When things are working the Cowboys score points in droves. However there remain many slow starts, poor route designs, puzzling situational calls, and a running game he can't figure out consistently. Besides I think I read somewhere on here that all Dak's stats are in garbage time so wouldn't that make Kellen's stats garbage time too? I certainly know that the garbage time stats are atleast partially false.

To answer your questions.

We all know Dak's deep game isn't a thing of beauty and it's possible some of the stuff is run over and over because that's what he feels Dak can successfully implement. However, a new coordinator can reintroduce the RB screen, quick wr slants, and design plays that put receivers in better position. The Cowboys receivers don't get a lot of separation as it is, so is that a talent issue, route design, or both? We've also run a similar system since Garrett became the offensive coordinator. Garrett was top 10 in yards all 3 seasons and top 10 in points 2 of his 3 years, the one year he had Brad Johnson start some games as OC. Though I agree the pastures aren't always greener, there's more to creating a functional offense than beating up on lesser opponents. That goes for Kellen and Dak. Since Dak isn't likely going anywhere the next 2 years I'm open to a fresh perspective to see what they can do because Garrett's 3.0 offense isn't getting it done.

 

[CTcowboy203]

McCarthy's style????? The same guy who lied to get the job and hasn't called plays in how many years and only won 1 Super Bowl in spite of having a HoF QB???? Okay.

Also the same guy whose 24-10 in his last 2 seasons and got us our first road playoff with in 30 years

 

[USArmyVet]

IMO- The offense we've had here for years is not simple. It’s just outdated. I mean Tom Landry’s offense in the 70s was fairly complicated. But it’s now out dated. I think that’s true about Moore’s offense.

I just find it odd that Moore's offense is 'outdated' given he has been the OC only since 2019 and since becoming OC Dak's stats have increased each season save for this season when Dak set the lead for INT's.
While Moore's offense may have its flaws, you also have to take into account the QB.

Look at the Rams when McVay developed the offense but could only go so far with Goff at the helm yet it took Stafford to elevate the offense.....with the same offensive overseer.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Lol. Typical moronic response from the people that can’t see the dysfunction and focus it all on the QB. Jason Garrett for 10 years and they hand the offense over to a 30 year old goober 3rd string QB from Boise. Gift wrapping a premium job to a guy that didn’t deserve it. Didn’t earn it. Now that it hasn’t worked out we lump it all on the QB. Moronic.

When it pertains to moronic responses and posts Dak lovers like yourself have cornered the market!
Dak couldn't carry the groceries let alone an OC or his team!!!