2005 Showed Once Again WR in the First Is a Bad Idea

[FuzzyLumpkins]

WR bust at a significantly higher rate than other positions drafted in the first round and 2005 was no exception. Here are the WR drafter in the first 32 picks of 2005 and after 3 years the vast majority of them have busted.

Braylon Edwards
Troy Williamson
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
Mark Clayton
Roddy White

Edwards turned it around and had one of the best seasons in the NFL last year but rest ranged from serviceable in Jones to outright horrible in Mike Williams.

And you guys thought the Carpenter pick was bad....

Now I realize that Wade has said this but I think it bears repeating that in no way shape or from should we use one of our first two selections on a WR.

 

[CF74]

Roddy White had a decent year and the jury is still out on most, give it another year or 2..

 

[Vintage]

Roddy White had a good year....especially considering he had to deal with Harrington/Leftwich/Redman at QB.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

WR bust at a significantly higher rate than other positions drafted in the first round and 2005 was no exception. Here are the WR drafter in the first 32 picks of 2005 and after 3 years the vast majority of them have busted.

Braylon Edwards
Troy Williamson
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
Mark Clayton
Roddy White

Edwards turned it around and had one of the best seasons in the NFL last year but rest ranged from serviceable in Jones to outright horrible in Mike Williams.

And you guys thought the Carpenter pick was bad....

Now I realize that Wade has said this but I think it bears repeating that in no way shape or from should we use one of our first two selections on a WR.

Most people thought that if Williams was drafted the year he was eligible and didnt have to wait a year that he would have been a good player, but he was grossly misused in Detroit and is stuck in Oakland.

Carpenter still has a chance, IMO, Akin Ayodele needs either to struggle or get injured.

Everyone saying Carpenter and Fasano were a bust need to realize our personnel going into that season. Ellis struggled and Fasano was needed because we had Bledsoe.

 

[superpunk]

Not this **** again. Fitzgerald, Williams, Williams and Evans send their regards from 2004.

 

[pgreptom]

This is kind of silly. Braylon Edwards is one of the best WR's in the NFL.

Who is throwing passes to Troy Williamson?

A lot of people knew Mike Williams wasn't going to pan out. There was a giant lovefest over him, but there was a lot of speculation about his worth ethnic, and weight.

Matt Jones was a conversion project from QB. It's hard to expect much of a conversion in his first three years. His production was up in 2006 from 2005, but injuries hampered him this year.

Mark Clayton almost had a 1,000 yard season in 2006. In 2007, he played with three quarterbacks. Kind of hard to do much when you're swapping quarterbacks like underwear.

Roddy White had a 1,200 yard season with THREE starting quarterbacks as well. Can you name them? Thought so. Kid had a pretty good season.

This is silly. You list players that make your argument laughable at best.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Roddy White had a decent year and the jury is still out on most, give it another year or 2..

I didnt realize that White had sucha good year. 1200 years is much better than decent. At the same time that makes 2 out of 6 playing well after three years.

Its been three years and I m just saying that if Landry says give a player three years to evaluate then I think its fair to look at them after three years.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is kind of silly. Braylon Edwards is one of the best WR's in the NFL.

Who is throwing passes to Troy Williamson?

A lot of people knew Mike Williams wasn't going to pan out. There was a giant lovefest over him, but there was a lot of speculation about his worth ethnic, and weight.

Matt Jones was a conversion project from QB. It's hard to expect much of a conversion in his first three years. His production was up in 2006 from 2005, but injuries hampered him this year.

Mark Clayton almost had a 1,000 yard season in 2006. In 2007, he played with three quarterbacks. Kind of hard to do much when you're swapping quarterbacks like underwear.

Roddy White had a 1,200 yard season with THREE starting quarterbacks as well. Can you name them? Thought so. Kid had a pretty good season.

This is silly. Kind of ignorant, too. You list players that make your arguement laughable at best.

You realize that most other positions pan out at a rate of well over 50%? i guess you think 33% is a good conversion ratio.

Two players out of 6 have played well and why is it that Crayton can develop after three year but Jones needs more time?

All Im saying and other top people in the NFL concur that WR in the first is a risk not worth taking.

 

[Clove]

Now I realize that Wade has said this but I think it bears repeating that in no way shape or from should we use one of our first two selections on a WR.

If we had a top 5 or top 10 pick, then i'd be all for drafting a WR in the 1st. But at where we're picking, I'd look at corner, maybe a specialist offensive player - How about more OLinemen.

 

[Rack]

Not this **** again. Fitzgerald, Williams, Williams and Evans send their regards from 2004.

The numbers are still overwhelmingly against WRs as far as success rate of WRs picked in the first round.


I agree we don't need to draft one in the first. If a "good" one drops to the second, look into it, but not in the first.

 

[CF74]

All Im saying and other top people in the NFL concur that WR in the first is a risk not worth taking.

Life is full of risks but you don't just stop living.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/receivers/070425

 

[slick325]

Fuzzy, you just made a great argument for getting a bona fide commodity at WR as opposed to gambling on an unknown at that position in the 1st. Hope Jerry takes your advice and puts #28 to good use.

Oh, rule out RB in the 1st if MBIII gets signed to a long term contract for starter money. QB is off the list, as well as TE right? So, how can we upgrade? Hmmm. After taking a CB at #22, do they take another DE/OLB, NT, Safety, ILB, DE at #28? Should Dallas go defense with both 1st rounders? Maybe, LT, LG or FB?

What's your take?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Most people thought that if Williams was drafted the year he was eligible and didnt have to wait a year that he would have been a good player, but he was grossly misused in Detroit and is stuck in Oakland.

After the Raiders dropped him the Titans brought him in for a workout and he weighed in at 270 lbs. I think that was probably his biggest problem.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think we're taking a WR in the 1st round anyway.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The numbers are still overwhelmingly against WRs as far as success rate of WRs picked in the first round.


I agree we don't need to draft one in the first. If a "good" one drops to the second, look into it, but not in the first.

I would like to know what the overall bust rate is for a top 10 pick over the last 20 years.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not this **** again. Fitzgerald, Williams, Williams and Evans send their regards from 2004.

So do Williams, Clayton, Jenkins and Woods. Reggie Williams and his 500 yards per year is a bust in Jax.

Whats sad is thats actually a good year for WR.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Life is full of risks but you don't just stop living.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/receivers/070425

its called risk management and taking the worst risk is not a good idea.

And I swear this guy mustve read my post from last year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you just made a great argument for getting a bona fide commodity at WR as opposed to gambling on an unknown at that position in the 1st. Hope Jerry takes your advice and puts #28 to good use.

Oh, rule out RB in the 1st if MBIII gets signed to a long term contract for starter money. QB is off the list, as well as TE right? So, how can we upgrade? Hmmm. After taking a CB at #22, do they take another DE/OLB, NT, Safety, ILB, DE at #28? Should Dallas go defense with both 1st rounders? Maybe, LT, LG or FB?

What's your take?

Sign Bernard Berrian or go for Fitzgerald. Id even go Williams for a thrid maybe a second but in noway shape or form draft a WR in the first.

 

[Stash]

Sounds like a great case for trading one of Dallas' two #1 picks for a proven commodity in Detroit's Roy Williams.

Well done.

 

[theogt]

These 3 were worth the pick:
Braylon Edwards
Mark Clayton
Roddy White

These guys were huge risks that I would never have picked:
Mike Williams
Matt Jones

This is the only real flop:
Troy Williamson

So basically 3 out of 4 guys that I would have considered picking were worth the pick.