2012 draft beginning to look like 2009

[SportsGuru80]

You cannot keep missing with higher round picks and expect to be great... 2012 has been a disappointment for sure.

 

[guag]

Careful, @Galian Beast, you might get labeled as part of the Snark Patrol by @xwalker and @casmith07

Was that a snarky comment I just read...? Watch it buddy. I've got my eye on you......

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Youre missing the point in order to try to sensationalize. You get bogged down in the accuracy of your point when its not there. Wilber and Claiborne over their first two years have more starts than the entire 2009 class did in their career. Hanna is a regular if not starter and we don't know what we have in Crawford yet.

The lesson that should be taken is when you are trying to rebuild multiple position groups across your roster, you cannot afford to trade away top 50 picks even for a player you covet. You even have a recent shoulder injury to gloat over.

 

[RS12]

You cannot keep missing with higher round picks and expect to be great... 2012 has been a disappointment for sure.

You cant keep trading multiple picks for one player when you are a whole defense away either.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Uhhh 2009 we have NO ONE left from that class lol. No matter how bad you think Claiborne, Wilber, Hanna and Crawford are....they can at least get on the field. Some of those guys from that class couldn't even make it out of camp.

 

[Idgit]

Careful, @Galian Beast, you might get labeled as part of the Snark Patrol by @xwalker and @casmith07

Can we just not have a Snark Patrol? And, can we also not pretend that the rest of us have no idea exact why the term was floated in the first place?

It's not like we have such an abundance of good offseason topics that we want to encourage the more liberal use of negative one-liners that lack observation, support, or any semblance of an interesting point. We can, most of us, carry on a decent debate when we care to. We don't have to glorify crop-dusting every time somebody strolls farting through a thread topic. It's funny the first time or two it happens. After a while, there's no discussion. It's just the same people making fart-noises trying to impress each other.

 

[TheDude]

Can we just not have a Snark Patrol? And, can we also not pretend that the rest of us have no idea exact why the term was floated in the first place?

It's not like we have such an abundance of good offseason topics that we want to encourage the more liberal use of negative one-liners that lack observation, support, or any semblance of an interesting point. We can, most of us, carry on a decent debate when we care to. We don't have to glorify crop-dusting every time somebody strolls farting through a thread topic. It's funny the first time or two it happens. After a while, there's no discussion. It's just the same people making fart-noises trying to impress each other.

Well, when an opening line to a thread is call out, you have to suspect your inviting what you "say" you dont want. Apparently there is an ignore feature that people can use. I dont see why anyone would need that for some anonymous poster(s) opinion - seems a little cowardly, but to not use it and just complain is just drawing more attention.

So while I think most would like more football discussions - Im not sure many really want to consider another view on either side. Many simply post for their own ego

1st. I have asked 2 pertinent direct question to someone completely football related to someone who says they wanted to talk football and both went unanswered, but poster continued to drone on about other posters style. I would hope many would agree I am pretty respectful in my debates and detailing my points, so it is what it is.

2nd. Snarky one-liners are, to me, 1000x more acceptable than the below reply. 1) it might be funny, 2) If I am scrolling through on a phone, those posts come and go with no effort. But the below was a respnse to the question - "Who are the building blocks for this defense"? - is the flip side example.

Let me tell you 'bout Ahab The Arab
The Sheik of the burning sand
He had emeralds and rubies just a dripping offa him
And a ring on every finger of his hands
He wore a big ol' turban wrapped around his head
And a scimitar by his side
And every evenin' about midnight
He'd jump on his camel named Clyde...and ride
Spoken
Silently through the night to the sultan's tent where he would secretly meet up with Fatima of the Seven Veils, the swingingest number one dancer in the Sultan's whole harem, 'cause, like him and her had a thing going, you know, and they'd been carrying on for some time now behind the Sultan's back and you could hear him talk to his camel as he rode out across the dunes, his voice would cut through the still night desert air and he'd say [imitate Arabic speech], which is Arabic for, "Stop,Clyde”! And Clyde’d say, [imitate camel voice],Which is camel for " What the heck did he say anyway?"!
Well…he brought his camel to a screeching halt
In the rear of Fatima's tent.
Jumped off Clyde, snuck around the corner and into the tent he went.
There he saw Fatima, laying on a Zebra skin rug,
With rings on her fingers and bells on her toes
And a bone in her nose ho, ho.
Spoken
There she was, friends and neighbors, laying there in all her radiant beauty. Eating on a raisin, and a grape, and an apricot, a pomegranate, a bowl of chitterlings, two bananas, three Hershey bars, and sipping on a "ROC" Co-Cola, listening to her transistor, watching the Grand Ole Opry, and reading Mad magazine while she sung, "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose it's Flavor?" And Ahab walked up to her and he’d say [imitate Arabic], which is Arabic for, "Let's twist again like we did last summer, baby" [giggles]. And she’d say [coy, girlish laugh] "Crazy baby"!
[Background singers] Turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around , turn around.
All of a sudden, the Sultan walked in.
Ahab knew that this was the end.
Him and Fatima was caught by surprise,
And the Sultan had fire flashing outta his eyes.
Well, the Sultan charged at Ahab, intending to make a dent…in his head.
But he fled with Fatima, and out of the tent they went.
They jumped on Clyde and started to ride,
Cutting out across the sand,
With the Sultan’s whole army in hot pursuit…on and on they ran.
Spoken
Well, to make a long story short, they got away, cause there weren’t no animal alive what could keep up with Clyde once he got started. Cuz he was the swiftest steed on the whole desert, babies. And they made it across the border, where he had hocked all his rubies and emeralds and they bought ‘em a swinging little split-level pad and lived happy ever after.
Yeah, and that's the story 'bout Ahab the Arab
The Sheik of the Burnin' sand
Ahab the Arab
The swinging Sheik of the burnin' sand.

No, not exactly the same as a trip to the old burn barrel...

 

[NJ22]

Can't argue with this. Right now if I had to say the two guys I have the most faith will even get second contracts, it would be Hannah and Wilbur. Lol. Sad.

Starts with trading up to get Morris Claiborne, something that most thought we have been a homerun draft choice.

Even then I was a bit puzzled when they drafted Tyrone Crawford, who seemed like he didn't have the experience or the talent to be a 3rd round draft pick, but was considered raw with a lot of upside. Switch to the 4-3, and the inability for this front office to make a decision on where to play him has been mindboggling.

Kyle Wilber is threatening for a starting position, but I could just as easily seem him cut in a year. Another failed player position story from the 3-4 to 4-3 move. It seems like they had no plan for these players when they made this decision.

Matt Johnson, glass bust

Danny Coale.... still open... never materialized into a player

James Hanna.... a huge mystery as to why this guy could never be utilized to the best of his ability, or maybe we just made too much of his talents or lack there of.

Caleb McSurdy... no idea why they drafted this kid... was a terrible draft choice even in the 7th round. This guy was slower than Bradie James...

Not a single starter among them...

 

[Hoofbite]

2009 is likely an all time stinker because the team basically drafted players they had no intent of developing into significant contributors. Just be really good at special teams.

 

[Brooksey]

Starts with trading up to get Morris Claiborne, something that most thought we have been a homerun draft choice.

Even then I was a bit puzzled when they drafted Tyrone Crawford, who seemed like he didn't have the experience or the talent to be a 3rd round draft pick, but was considered raw with a lot of upside. Switch to the 4-3, and the inability for this front office to make a decision on where to play him has been mindboggling.

Kyle Wilber is threatening for a starting position, but I could just as easily seem him cut in a year. Another failed player position story from the 3-4 to 4-3 move. It seems like they had no plan for these players when they made this decision.

Matt Johnson, glass bust

Danny Coale.... still open... never materialized into a player

James Hanna.... a huge mystery as to why this guy could never be utilized to the best of his ability, or maybe we just made too much of his talents or lack there of.

Caleb McSurdy... no idea why they drafted this kid... was a terrible draft choice even in the 7th round. This guy was slower than Bradie James...

Not a single starter among them...

Not comparable but good try. There are three potential starters in Claiborne, Crawford and Wilbur. It's still too early.

 

[Galian Beast]

Careful, @Galian Beast, you might get labeled as part of the Snark Patrol by @xwalker and @casmith07

I'm extremely positive about our offense, and have hopes that given our schedule it can take us to 10+ wins despite the defense.

 

[Alexander]

This is the #1 myth going right now about this franchise.

Things are as they have always been, just with different people whispering in Jerry Jones' ear.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

This getting ridiculous. Three years after the 09 draft, there wasn't a single contributor from it. Not. A. Single. Contributor. This year, we'll have at least FOUR contributors from the 2012 NFL draft class, three of which will likely be starters: Mo, Crawford, Leary, and Wilbur. Oh, and go back and look at the first round of the 2012 NFL draft -- it's mostly garbage. 2012 was certainly no '05 class, but to compare it to 2009 shows a severe lack of knowledge regarding the draft.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

It appears like the anchor pulling this draft down will be Claiborne. I cannot state, yell, scream, moan enough about how valuable the #6 overall pick is. That should be spent on someone that makes multiple Pro Bowls. You should be able to build AROUND a player picked this high. I know it is early....but do you recall Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, Darelle Revis not providing you of glimpses at this point? To be honest....he has not even shown as much as Terrance Newman. This is a MAJOR setback when you consider what was given up for him.

It's easy to say HOPEFULLY the organization has finally figured it out....that you build a team from the outside in. But that would be too simple. This is NOT Jerry's first rodeo. Garrett has been around football his whole life. You hate to be insulting to these guys...but too often they have drafted with seemingly NO IDEA how they envision a player fitting on a team. With teams going 4 and 5 wide...and moving WRs all around....I am not sure how valuable a "blue chip" CB is these days. But what will never CHANGE....is the value of a "blue chip" pass rusher. So IMHO....picks that high in the draft should be spent on OTs, QBs, and/or "rush men".

So for me....it is dissapointing.....that an organization....that has had the succes we have had....lacks an idenity. Because when you have one...coaches and players can and will come and go.....but the approach on how to run a football organization, how to draft, how to build a team, how to select a coach is in place...and although you will not win it every year...you will be in the hunt. Actually, this organization does have an idenity....and it has little to do with winning football games....I will stop for now

 

[DFWJC]

I didn't like the trade up for Claiborne, that's for sure. Then or now.

 

[Common Sense]

To be fair, those players were drafted for a different scheme. Whether the scheme change was a wise choice for a team that supposedly isn't rebuilding is a different question.

 

[NJ22]

You can't forget that one reason that draft was so bad was giving up the 1 and 3 for Roy Williams. And as bad a move and as big a disappointment as that was, Roy did play and contribute far more than Claiborne or anyone else in that class so far.

Even with that trade they had a ton of picks to use to trade up with and instead they traded down and took every bum they could get their hands on.

 

[Idgit]

Not comparable but good try. There are three potential starters in Claiborne, Crawford and Wilbur. It's still too early.

Well, and Leary, Beasley, and Dunbar from that very same crop of rookies that year. What difference does it make where they were added if they make the team and become starters or key contributors?

Speaking of which, very early returns on this year's group look pretty interesting. Martin, Lawrence, Street, Bishop, Dixon, and Mitchell all look like they're join to make it and even contribute a fair amount as rookies. Even Gardener gets redshirted after getting hurt early. Of the CFAs, Vaughan, Coleman, and maybe Patmon, Boyd, and even Ryan Smith have shots at the roster or PS.

 

[Idgit]

It appears like the anchor pulling this draft down will be Claiborne. I cannot state, yell, scream, moan enough about how valuable the #6 overall pick is. That should be spent on someone that makes multiple Pro Bowls. You should be able to build AROUND a player picked this high. I know it is early....but do you recall Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, Darelle Revis not providing you of glimpses at this point? To be honest....he has not even shown as much as Terrance Newman...

Fans have no idea what level of play to expect from top-10 pick. Those guys aren't all locks by any stretch. No doubt, Claiborne has not met expectations. Neither for the #6 pick in the draft where he was supposed to be a relative value, or as the best defensive player overall that he was purported to be. If you get a Terrence Newman from your pick, you should be doing backflips. It doesn't matter that fans might expect more.

From Claiborne's draft alone, that top-10 included Trent Richardson, Justin Blackmon, Mark Barron, and Ryan Tannehill. Throw in RGIII for fun if you're talking about questionable picks. Those picks aren't locks by any stretch.

And Mo still has a very real opportunity to deliver on much of his promise. If he's not a shut down guy and never lives up to what we gave up to get him, we have to live with that, but he can still be a productive young player for us for a long time, starting this season. Fans just need to simmer their expectations a lot and get their heads around the fact that he's been disappointing.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Youre missing the point in order to try to sensationalize. You get bogged down in the accuracy of your point when its not there. Wilber and Claiborne over their first two years have more starts than the entire 2009 class did in their career. Hanna is a regular if not starter and we don't know what we have in Crawford yet.

The lesson that should be taken is when you are trying to rebuild multiple position groups across your roster, you cannot afford to trade away top 50 picks even for a player you covet. You even have a recent shoulder injury to gloat over.

Careful FL, you're starting to sound like Goose Gosling.