2013 NBA playoff thread

[MC KAos]

You guys keep taking this scorer argument for more than what it is. Melo is the best pure scorer in the league, not the best shooter like KD or distributer like lebron, it's not about that, it's about his ability to score under any circumstance, he is the best overall. This doesn't mean he is a better player, he is just better at putting the ball through the hole

 

[Future]

Lebron because he will lower his shoulder, bull charge, travel and get the foul call :laugh2:

If he did that, I'd take him. But through his career, he has failed to do so consistently, especially in the fourth quarter.

What was it game 6 against the Celts last year...last possession he somehow had Rondo on him. What'd LBJ decide to do shoot a deep fadeaway jumper. He's a wuss and always has been.

 

[Tabascocat]

If he did that, I'd take him. But through his career, he has failed to do so consistently, especially in the fourth quarter.

What was it game 6 against the Celts last year...last possession he somehow had Rondo on him. What'd LBJ decide to do shoot a deep fadeaway jumper. He's a wuss and always has been.

No argument from me, was being sarcastic. I would take Kobe over Melo though.

 

[Future]

No argument from me, was being sarcastic. I would take Kobe over Melo though.

Haha, I actually figured you were, but I went with it anyways.

I can live with people choosing Kobe over Melo in the clutch.

 

[jterrell]

Anyone arguing Carmelo is the best scorer is simply not looking at stats.

KD shoots a higher percentage at the FT line(88 to 81), 3PT (37 to 33) and over FG% (48 to 46).

Carmelo shoots A LOT so gets his points. That's how you lose games. It also has a lot to do with why Carmelo hasn't won more games.

As far as LeBron please stop. NBA GMs would sell their kids for LeBron while they'd be scared to death of Carmelo and his hilariously bad 2.5 assists and 1 combined steal/block per game.

Carmelo is easily the most overrated player in NBA basketball. He is a scorer and a good one but that comes at the cost of everything else.

 

[joseephuss]

You guys keep taking this scorer argument for more than what it is. Melo is the best pure scorer in the league, not the best shooter like KD or distributer like lebron, it's not about that, it's about his ability to score under any circumstance, he is the best overall. This doesn't mean he is a better player, he is just better at putting the ball through the hole

I never mentioned anything about those guys being better distributors or overall players. They are, but all I was considering was the ability to put the ball in the hoop. Durant and James are better at it than Melo and Melo ain't bad at it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you get physical with Durant you can get him out of his game, he doesn't have a post game. There is absolutely NOTHING Carmelo CAN'T do offensively, that's why he is regarded as the best. Lebron could be if be wanted to, but he does so much other stuff that takes away from his need to score. Melo doesn't play D and focuses only on offense. Most of all, he is super clutch, about a year ago when BSPN was blowing their wad over Kobe being clutch, someone AT espn pointed out Kobe had a sub 40% shooting percentage in "clutch" shots, lebron was at around 50% and melo was over 60%

I agree, there is nothing he can't do, if he wants to. Unfortunately, he takes any shots, not just good shots. He will shoot into the double team rather then pass out of the double team and, as you said, he won't play defense, the guy has more turnovers then he does rebounds.

Yeah, he could but he doesn't.

 

[RastaRocket]

You guys keep taking this scorer argument for more than what it is. Melo is the best pure scorer in the league, not the best shooter like KD or distributer like lebron, it's not about that, it's about his ability to score under any circumstance, he is the best overall. This doesn't mean he is a better player, he is just better at putting the ball through the hole

Lebron can get to the rim whenever he wants under any circumstance; he is the better scorer.

 

[RastaRocket]

I say that because to be a scorer, you have to have the mentality. KD and LBJ doesn't have that mentality to only score.

It sounds like you are making an argument that high ppg and shooting = scorer and scorer = better player which is not true. Lebron maybe harder to guard and has a high fg percentage but does he look to score more than Carmelo does in a 48 min game? I think the answer is no because we all know LBJ game isn't based on scoring. We have seen LBJ pass up game winning shots if the opportunity for an open shot is there. But as a scorer, the scorer will take that shot imo even if he was doubled or triple teamed.

I will ask this, if we are going by ppg and fg percentage, then how come big men don't get the scorer label? How come AI got the scorer label and he didn't shoot a high percentage? From what you said, guys like Shaq, Robinson, Chamberlain, Hakeem, Bird, K.G. etc. should be labeled scorers too since they avg 20 plus and shoot a high field goal pctg.

Other than that, I agree with what you said about Lebron.

There is no big man scoring on the level of Lebron. Anybody can take a shot whenever they want, but I don't see how that makes you a better scorer if you are triple teamed. When I read that it sounds like Melo is an idiot and Lebron has common sense.

 

[RastaRocket]

I think that team around him was pretty underrated...and Lebron might have shot a good %, but he took a ton of bad shots, especially late in games. Good scorers don't disappear in the 4th quarter.

Ha, Melo takes even worse shots; and that Cavs team isn't even remotely close to the Knicks team Carmelo is currently on. There is a reason they were one of the worst teams in NBA history when he was gone. The Knicks were in the playoffs before Melo got there.

Let me ask you something, if you are down by 2 with :10 left and know that you're going to get a 1 on 1 matchup, who are you taking LBJ or Melo? I'm taking Melo every time and its not even a question.

1 on 1 matchup with 10 seconds? I'll take Lebron running straight at the rim like a freight train.

Catch and shoot with 1 second? Give me Melo.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Russell Westbrook torn meniscus... UGGGGGGGGH

Good luck vs the Heat, Spurs.

 

[bigdnlaca]

There is no big man scoring on the level of Lebron. Anybody can take a shot whenever they want, but I don't see how that makes you a better scorer if you are triple teamed. When I read that it sounds like Melo is an idiot and Lebron has common sense.

Ok so Lebron is on a higher level than some of the big man greats that were just as unstopable? Ok you sold me there.

I didn't say a scorer is better if you are triple teamed. I said that when a game is on the line, a real scorer will create and take the shot no matter what the circumstances are. Period. They feel that they can make every shot. We see that with Kobe, Jordan, and others that will take the shot when they are heavily covered. Does that make them and idiot too?

Im done.

 

[bigdnlaca]

Russell Westbrook torn meniscus... UGGGGGGGGH

Good luck vs the Heat, Spurs.

If they can get somewhat decent pg play, they will be fine. They may insert Martin in the starting lineup because of that.

 

[MC KAos]

If they can get somewhat decent pg play, they will be fine. They may insert Martin in the starting lineup because of that.

They aren't beating a healthy spurs team without Westbrook. They might not make it past the second round without him. They got screwed getting the 1 seed. The 2 is where it's at!

 

[RastaRocket]

Ok so Lebron is on a higher level than some of the big man greats that were just as unstopable? Ok you sold me there.

Big man greats? That's another story.

I'm talking big men currently playing....

Nobody is near 27 ppg shooting his percentage.

 

[RastaRocket]

They aren't beating a healthy spurs team without Westbrook. They might not make it past the second round without him. They got screwed getting the 1 seed. The 2 is where it's at!

Yep, Parker and Duncan will shred them without Westbrook.

 

[RastaRocket]

I didn't say a scorer is better if you are triple teamed. I said that when a game is on the line, a real scorer will create and take the shot no matter what the circumstances are. Period. They feel that they can make every shot. We see that with Kobe, Jordan, and others that will take the shot when they are heavily covered. Does that make them and idiot too?

Im done.

Lebron can take shots heavily covered if he needs to, he just doesn't need to lol. The better play is to make the pass. It doesn't make him less of a scorer, it's just a good basketball play. I get the whole killer mentality argument; Kobe and Jordan are straight cold blooded killers. Jordan is a better scorer than Lebron, Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron, but Melo is not a better scorer than Lebron. Melo is not Jordan or Kobe so don't put him on their level.

I completely understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with you.

If you tell me Durant is a better scorer than Lebron I am not going to argue, Durant is probably the #1 scorer in the league.

 

[khiladi]

Which is why I think LBJ and KD are much better scorers. They could easily average what Melo is if they wanted to but they know how to play basketball efficiently. Overall, they contribute to their teams scoring more so than Melo because they create points from playmaking and scoring.

Huh? I don't think Lebron was a league leader in scoring in Cleveland when he had to bear most of the scoring burden.

 

[khiladi]

Lebron got to the finals with one of the worst teams ever around him. He also averaged 30 ppg one season in Cleveland (something Melo has never done) while shooting 49% from the field, and still got his 8 boards and 7 assists. He had another season in Cleveland averaging 31 ppg at 48%. Over his career, Lebron averages more ppg and higher FG% than Melo and most of his scoring was done in Cleveland. He's proven he is more efficient than Melo on worse teams at a younger age. He's continued to add layers to his game in Miami (post game) and his efficiency skyrocketed the last 4 seasons and has consistently improved over the last 10 seasons; that's every single year he has been in the league (minus 06-07).

He also played in one of the weakest eastern conferences ever, having to beat The Wizards, Nets, and old Detroit team, only to get destroyed in four with the Spurs. It was that same conference in which Iverson took his team to the finals, with an even worse starting four. Plus, it's not like Mo Williams can't light it up, or vlajeros couldn't get nineteen on a given night. Why not look at Iverson's numbers during his career in that crappy Eastern conference, and that too, with NBA referee clearly admitting they targeted Iverson, by letting payers get away with fouling him.

 

[Danny White]