2013 NBA playoff thread

[MC KAos]

Can't believe both the series that were once 3-0 are now going to a game six! Who so you guys think is most likely to win their series after starting in a 0-3 hole? I actually think its the rockets just because I don't think the celtics offense can hold to win the next 2 games

 

[Danny White]

Can't believe both the series that were once 3-0 are now going to a game six! Who so you guys think is most likely to win their series after starting in a 0-3 hole? I actually think its the rockets just because I don't think the celtics offense can hold to win the next 2 games

I agree... it's to the point where I'm rooting for the Thunder because I think they'd be the easiest WCF opponent for the Spurs.

Thunder are looking very beatable. The only thing that makes me hesitate about picking the Rockets is that they're very flawed as well. I think if it wasn't for Asik's foul shooting, the Rockets were hard pressed to score. They were stuck at 89 points last night for awhile and it wasn't until they started intentionally fouling that they started scoring.

Either of these teams is going to get beat by Memphis, IMO. Not wild about seeing Memphis again in the WCF, but I guess you can't complain if you're facing the 5 seed with a chance to go the the NBA finals.

Eastern conference doesn't interest me as much other than seeing if someone can knock off the Heat. I guess the Knicks would be more likely to be able to do that, but I don't see either of these teams competing with them.

 

[jterrell]

Can't believe both the series that were once 3-0 are now going to a game six! Who so you guys think is most likely to win their series after starting in a 0-3 hole? I actually think its the rockets just because I don't think the celtics offense can hold to win the next 2 games

yup. the celtics are without their best player in rondo.

they won a couple games because the jump shooting knicks went freezer mode cold. that wont happen 4 times.

houston is coming back because westbrook was a major loss and houston has a pretty solid team.

boston shouldn't have even been in the playoffs.

the east is so pathetic after miami it isn't even funny.

the west is much, much tougher.

 

[RastaRocket]

Thunder are a much harder WCF out than the Rockets even without Westbrook. They will still win the series.

Boston has the best chance to win because they have veterans like Pierce, KG, and Terry on that team who know how to win in the playoffs. Plus, Melo is an idiot for a star player and doesn't make the team around him better, and his coach sees nothing wrong with his idiotic play. He'll just keep shooting until he gets hot again. Boston has Doc Rivers coaching them also. Boston is easily the most dangerous of those two teams.

I still think both OKC and NY advance.

 

[MC KAos]

I can't see any team beating the grizzle in the other side of the west bracket. And I think spurs/grizzle is the best possible WCF for the NBA only because they are the only 2 teams that can beat the heat IMO, they match up perfectly for with the heat.

 

[RastaRocket]

I can't see any team beating the grizzle in the other side of the west bracket. And I think spurs/grizzle is the best possible WCF for the NBA only because they are the only 2 teams that can beat the heat IMO, they match up perfectly for with the heat.

I'd like to see that.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thunder are a much harder WCF out than the Rockets even without Westbrook. They will still win the series.

Thunder may still win this series just because they have two chances to win one game, and that last game would be at home. But I think they'll be out after that.

They're just an above average team without Westbrook. People who criticize him obviously haven't understood how good he is. His loss is exposing how very average the rest of their team is... Especially that they have no one else who can score. Most of the other guys like Sefolosha and Perkins and even Ibaka are defensive guys. Kevin Martin should be able to score, but he's been a huge disappointment lately.

As a Thunder fan, I'm very disappointed in Ibaka. He needed to develop some kind of low post game, and he has the ability to do it. Instead, he shoots jumpers. And as good as his jumper looks, at 6-10 with quickness and hops he could and should be on the block IMO. As good as his defense is, they didn't pay him all that money just to block shots.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Stop all the Griz in the WCF talk......let us beat Flop City first :bang2:

Help me out here with the seedings:

If Houston wins their series wouldn't they play the Spurs since they are the lowest seed?

The reason I ask is I was reading about GS winning their series and it said they play the Spurs next. That doesn't make sense unless OKC wins. Or am I missing something?

 

[Cowboys606]

Go Grizzlies

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Stop all the Griz in the WCF talk......let us beat Flop City first :bang2:

Help me out here with the seedings:

If Houston wins their series wouldn't they play the Spurs since they are the lowest seed?

The reason I ask is I was reading about GS winning their series and it said they play the Spurs next. That doesn't make sense unless OKC wins. Or am I missing something?

They don't re-seed after every round, if that's what you mean... It's just a regular tournament bracket.

 

[Yeagermeister]

They don't re-seed after every round, if that's what you mean... It's just a regular tournament bracket.

Yeah I found a bracket after search BSPN.com

Appreciate the response though

 

[Supercowboy1986]

im just excited for boston's run to eliminate the knicks. not that i am a boston fan but seeing Carmelo getting exposed for the over rated trash player he is makes me happy and all my friends mad cause im right :laugh2:

 

[khiladi]

Thunder may still win this series just because they have two chances to win one game, and that last game would be at home. But I think they'll be out after that.

They're just an above average team without Westbrook. People who criticize him obviously haven't understood how good he is. His loss is exposing how very average the rest of their team is... Especially that they have no one else who can score. Most of the other guys like Sefolosha and Perkins and even Ibaka are defensive guys. Kevin Martin should be able to score, but he's been a huge disappointment lately.

As a Thunder fan, I'm very disappointed in Ibaka. He needed to develop some kind of low post game, and he has the ability to do it. Instead, he shoots jumpers. And as good as his jumper looks, at 6-10 with quickness and hops he could and should be on the block IMO. As good as his defense is, they didn't pay him all that money just to block shots.

I don't think people criticize Westbrook as a player, I think they criticize him for the fact that he sometimes goes out of control. He's definitely a top 10 player and just so explosive. It was already understood the rest of the team is just average and Perkins plays horrible when having to defend the pick-and-roll. Bosh exposed this last year in the finals and it's clear that the Thunder play better with Collison in the roster even on defense. I actually think that their weakest link is Brooks. The guy is just awful and doesn't really coach the team.

 

[MC KAos]

I think it was a big mistake by the thunder to choose Ibaka over harden. They thought it would be better to have a pg/wing/big combo, which is true, but Ibaka just isn't as good as harden is, not even close. Part of the league wide epidemic to overpay/overrate big men

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't think people criticize Westbrook as a player, I think they criticize him for the fact that he sometimes goes out of control. He's definitely a top 10 player and just so explosive. It was already understood the rest of the team is just average and Perkins plays horrible when having to defend the pick-and-roll. Bosh exposed this last year in the finals and it's clear that the Thunder play better with Collison in the roster even on defense. I actually think that their weakest link is Brooks. The guy is just awful and doesn't really coach the team.

Oh, some hated Westbrook as a player... Some even posted here about it.

His rep is actually going to get better now as people see how the team is without him.

I've never bothered to look into the real detail of the cap implications, but I still don't see why they didn't amnesty Perkins because like you say, he's pretty terrible unless you happen to need to defend a low-post player... And not too many of those even exist anymore.

I also agree that Brooks is maybe above average at best.

 

[joseephuss]

I think it was a big mistake by the thunder to choose Ibaka over harden. They thought it would be better to have a pg/wing/big combo, which is true, but Ibaka just isn't as good as harden is, not even close. Part of the league wide epidemic to overpay/overrate big men

The Thunder didn't spend as much on keeping Ibaka as they would have had to spend to keep Harden. Ibaka was signed to a 4 year $48 million extension while Houston got Harden for 5 years at $80 million. Ibaka is also the Thunders only defensive presence.

I do think big men are overpaid because there are just a shortage of quality big men out there. I don't think Ibaka over Harden is a great example.

 

[MC KAos]

The Thunder didn't spend as much on keeping Ibaka as they would have had to spend to keep Harden. Ibaka was signed to a 4 year $48 million extension while Houston got Harden for 5 years at $80 million. Ibaka is also the Thunders only defensive presence.

I do think big men are overpaid because there are just a shortage of quality big men out there. I don't think Ibaka over Harden is a great example.

Harden wasn't asking for the max from the thunder tho, and in any case, they could have worked the difference out, fact is they had a choice between the two and chose wrong

 

[joseephuss]

Harden wasn't asking for the max from the thunder tho, and in any case, they could have worked the difference out, fact is they had a choice between the two and chose wrong

Harden was indeed asking for a max deal from the Thunder. Maybe it was the wrong choice, but the Thunder chose the cheaper route. Sure Ibaka ain't cheap, but he is much cheaper than keeping Harden.

 

[Kangaroo]

The Thunder had no choice Harden wanted more than they could give him the days of the Big three setup is about over with next years salary cap punishment for going over gets even more expensive.

Presti is no dummy and as a Spurs fan wish we had him back he is better than Bufford we just have the better coach.

Harden wanted more money than Okc wanted to pay and it all stems around the new collective barging agreement. Just get use to more moves not just by OKC but by other teams with the new luxury tax rules they just can not afford to keep three max players anymore plus the other parts to win. It had nothing to do with talent but about money what OKC could pay and what Harden wanted to get payed. They could not agree so OKC did what they could got something for him instead of letting him walk for nothing.

Here is an example

A team with a team salary $12 million over the tax level in 2013-14 pays a tax of $21.25 million (the incremental maximum of $7.5 million for $0 to $4,999,999, plus the incremental maximum of $8.75 million for $5 million to $9,999,999, plus $2 million times the incremental rate of $2.50 for $10 million to $14,999,999).

More details here

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q10

 

[jterrell]

Harden wasn't asking for the max from the thunder tho, and in any case, they could have worked the difference out, fact is they had a choice between the two and chose wrong

No they didn't.

You can't build a franchise with a 1,2,2.

The Thunder made the right choice. They desperately needed what Ibaka gave them all year. Great defense and rebounding.