29 years of 2nd round picks

[jterrell]

Good work.

FYI - 2004 was Jacob Rogers not Jacob Peters.

i loved that pick at the time
what a humbling....

 

[xwalker]

i loved that pick at the time
what a humbling....

He was soft. He had some ability but was just a wus.

 

[jterrell]

Aside from Jimmy and Bill you can't really credit or blame the coaches for who was drafted that would be on the Jones boys

Not really.

Started with Bob Ackles which is how we got Troy Aikman. But Jimmy won that battle and it was Jimmy until he quit.
Then it was Larry Lacewell.
Then BP came in and brought Ireland and others to revamp the scouting dept.
Then McClay took over for Ireland/Ciskowski.

Jerry may cherry pick a top 10 guy based on uniform sells but he's never been a scout by any means.

The team under Jones has drafted as well as the top personnel guy allowed.
McClay is good.

Jerry has hit some and missed more on some trades and more than some on contracts but no Jones has been a primary talent guy ever.

 

[jterrell]

He was soft. He had some ability but was just a wus.

He had dominated Terrell Suggs in college.
I was sold... but yup he didn't want to play.
BP was his worst nightmare too. No room for soft dudes under BP.

 

[Jumbo075]

That wouldn't be a fair comparison. The NFL had fewer teams then, so players picked in the 2nd round would be 1st round picks today - even if picked at the same draft location.

The NFL had 14 teams in the 60's, and 26 teams for much of the 70's after adding the 10 AFL teams, and also the Dolphins and Saints in 1970. They expanded to 28 teams in 1977 (Seahawks and Buccaneers). The league expanded to 30 teams in 1995 (Panthers and Jaguars, and then 32 teams in 2001 (Browns and Texans).

Correction:

In the 50's, the NFL was composed of 12 teams, the Giants, Eagles, Colts, Commanders, Browns, Steelers, Packers, Bears, 49ers, Cardinals, Rams, and Lions. The the 60's, the NFL added the Cowboys (1960), Vikings (1961), Falcons (1965) and Saints (1967), bringing them to a total of 16 teams by 1967. Meanwhile, the 60's AFL started with 8 teams, the Raiders, Chargers, Broncos, Chiefs (formerly Texans), Oilers (now Titans), Bills, Jets (formerly Titans), and Patriots. The AFL added the Dolphins in 1966 and the Bengals in 1968, giving them 10 teams by 1968.

During the 60's, the NFL and AFL would draft the same players, and then the players could choose which league to join. When the league merged in after the 1969 season, the modern era NFL had 26 teams. The Steelers, Browns and Colts joined the AFL teams to form the new AFC Conference, and the remaining NFL teams became the NFC Conference. The Buccaneers and Seahawks were added in 1976. The Panthers and Jaguars were added in 1995.

The new Titans (formerly Oilers) and Ravens (formerly Browns) chose new team mascots and names when they moved from Houston and Cleveland respectively in the 90's. The new Browns started playing in 1999, and the new Texans started playing in 2002. Technically, the Browns never left Cleveland. They were "deactivated from 1996 - 1998, and then "reactivated" in 1999. The Ravens were technically an "expansion team" in 1996, although they had all the old Cleveland Browns players and owners. So, in NFL "official" history, the Ravens were the 31st team, not the new Browns. But we all know that's a bunch of horse manure.

Of the original 26 team after the AFL/NFL merger, only the Lions and Browns have failed to make the Super Bowl - although the Ravens (formerly Browns) have won 2 Super Bowls. Neither the Chiefs nor Jets have made a Super Bowl after the merger, but the Chiefs and Jets played in 3 of the 4 Super Bowls prior to the merger, winning 2 of those games, which which helped convince the leagues' owners to merge.

Of the 6 expansion teams since the merger, The Seahawks, Buccaneers and Panthers have appeared in Super Bowls, but the Jaquars, Browns and Texans have not.

4 current teams have never appeared in Super Bowls - Lions, Jaguars, Browns and Texans.

 

[Ranching]

JG suxs

Just wanted to quote this!!!!

 

[cern]

In another post, I mentioned the hit rate on 2nd round picks is about 50%. So, let's see how the Cowboys have done in the 2nd round during the Jones era:

Jimmy Johnson years
1989 - FB Daryl Johnston - 122 starts for Cowboys (2x Pro Bowl)
1990 - WR Alexander Wright - 7 starts for Cowboys; 37 starts for Raiders
1991 - LB Dixon Edwards - 47 starts for Cowboys; 43 starts for Vikings
1992 - WR Jimmy Smith - 0 starts for Cowboys; 150 starts for Jaguars (2x 2nd team All-pro, 5x Pro Bowl)
1992 - S Darren Woodson - 162 starts for Cowboys (4x 1st team All-Pro, 5x Pro Bowl)
1993 - WR Kevin Williams - 28 starts for Cowboys
1993 - LB Darrin Smith - 54 starts for Cowboys; 52 starts for Saints; 27 starts for Seahawks; 7 starts for Eagles

Barry Switzer years
1994 - OL Larry Allen - 176 starts for Dallas (7x 1st team All-Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame); 27 starts for 49ers (1x Pro Bowl)
1995 - RB Sherman Williams - 3 starts for Cowboys
1995 - TE Kendall Watkins - 0 starts for Cowboys
1996 - DE Kavika Pittman - 31 starts for Cowboys; 44 starts for Broncos
1996 - LB Randall Godfrey - 54 starts for Cowboys; 42 starts for Chargers; 35 starts for Titans; 14 starts for Seahawks; 4 starts for Commanders
1997 - no pick

Chan Gailey years
1998 - OT Flozell Adams - 178 starts for Cowboys (5x Pro Bowl); 16 starts for Steelers
1999 - OG Solomon Page - 59 starts for Cowboys; 8 starts for Chargers

Dave Campo years
2000 - CB Dwayne Goodrich - 1 start for Cowboys
2001 - QB Quincy Carter - 31 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Jets
2001 - S Tony Dixon - 15 starts for Cowboys
2002 - C Andre Gurode - 122 starts for Cowboys (5x Pro Bowl); 5 starts for Ravens; 4 starts for Raiders
2002 - WR Antonio Bryant - 21 starts for Cowboys; 22 starts for Browns; 26 starts for Buccaneers; 13 starts for 49ers

Bill Parcells years
2003 - C Al Johnson - 31 starts for Cowboys; 14 starts for Cardinals
2004 - RB Julius Jones - 51 starts for Cowboys; 24 starts for Seahawks; 2 starts for Saints
2004 - OT Jacob Peters - 0 starts for Cowboys
2005 - LB Kevin Burnett - 5 starts for Cowboys; 32 starts for Dolphins; 23 starts for Chargers; 16 starts for Raiders
2006 - TE Anthony Fasano - 10 starts for Cowboys; 82 starts for Dolphins; 22 starts for Chiefs; 20 starts for Titans

Wade Phillips years
2007 - no pick
2008 - TE Martellus Bennett - 31 starts for Cowboys; 16 starts for Giants; 41 starts for Bears (1x Pro Bowl); 12 starts for Patriots; 7 starts for Packers
2009 - no pick
2010 - LB Sean Lee - 72 starts for Cowboys (1x 1st team All-Pro, 2x Pro Bowl)

Jason Garrett years
2011 - LB Bruce Carter - 32 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Buccaneers; 1 start for Jets
2012 - no pick
2013 - TE Gavin Escobar - 7 starts for Cowboys
2014 - DE DeMarcus Lawrence - 32 starts for Cowboys (1x 2nd team All-Pro, 1x Pro Bowl)
2015 - DE Randy Gregory - 0 starts
2016 - LB Jaylon Smith - 6 starts
2017 - CB Chidobe Awuzie - 6 starts

Very interesting.. I was reminded how bad the picks were in the 2nd round under parcells. And yet he left us with 13 pro bowlers.

 

[Chrispierce]

In another post, I mentioned the hit rate on 2nd round picks is about 50%. So, let's see how the Cowboys have done in the 2nd round during the Jones era:

Jimmy Johnson years
1989 - FB Daryl Johnston - 122 starts for Cowboys (2x Pro Bowl)
1990 - WR Alexander Wright - 7 starts for Cowboys; 37 starts for Raiders
1991 - LB Dixon Edwards - 47 starts for Cowboys; 43 starts for Vikings
1992 - WR Jimmy Smith - 0 starts for Cowboys; 150 starts for Jaguars (2x 2nd team All-pro, 5x Pro Bowl)
1992 - S Darren Woodson - 162 starts for Cowboys (4x 1st team All-Pro, 5x Pro Bowl)
1993 - WR Kevin Williams - 28 starts for Cowboys
1993 - LB Darrin Smith - 54 starts for Cowboys; 52 starts for Saints; 27 starts for Seahawks; 7 starts for Eagles

Barry Switzer years
1994 - OL Larry Allen - 176 starts for Dallas (7x 1st team All-Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame); 27 starts for 49ers (1x Pro Bowl)
1995 - RB Sherman Williams - 3 starts for Cowboys
1995 - TE Kendall Watkins - 0 starts for Cowboys
1996 - DE Kavika Pittman - 31 starts for Cowboys; 44 starts for Broncos
1996 - LB Randall Godfrey - 54 starts for Cowboys; 42 starts for Chargers; 35 starts for Titans; 14 starts for Seahawks; 4 starts for Commanders
1997 - no pick

Chan Gailey years
1998 - OT Flozell Adams - 178 starts for Cowboys (5x Pro Bowl); 16 starts for Steelers
1999 - OG Solomon Page - 59 starts for Cowboys; 8 starts for Chargers

Dave Campo years
2000 - CB Dwayne Goodrich - 1 start for Cowboys
2001 - QB Quincy Carter - 31 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Jets
2001 - S Tony Dixon - 15 starts for Cowboys
2002 - C Andre Gurode - 122 starts for Cowboys (5x Pro Bowl); 5 starts for Ravens; 4 starts for Raiders
2002 - WR Antonio Bryant - 21 starts for Cowboys; 22 starts for Browns; 26 starts for Buccaneers; 13 starts for 49ers

Bill Parcells years
2003 - C Al Johnson - 31 starts for Cowboys; 14 starts for Cardinals
2004 - RB Julius Jones - 51 starts for Cowboys; 24 starts for Seahawks; 2 starts for Saints
2004 - OT Jacob Peters - 0 starts for Cowboys
2005 - LB Kevin Burnett - 5 starts for Cowboys; 32 starts for Dolphins; 23 starts for Chargers; 16 starts for Raiders
2006 - TE Anthony Fasano - 10 starts for Cowboys; 82 starts for Dolphins; 22 starts for Chiefs; 20 starts for Titans

Wade Phillips years
2007 - no pick
2008 - TE Martellus Bennett - 31 starts for Cowboys; 16 starts for Giants; 41 starts for Bears (1x Pro Bowl); 12 starts for Patriots; 7 starts for Packers
2009 - no pick
2010 - LB Sean Lee - 72 starts for Cowboys (1x 1st team All-Pro, 2x Pro Bowl)

Jason Garrett years
2011 - LB Bruce Carter - 32 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Buccaneers; 1 start for Jets
2012 - no pick
2013 - TE Gavin Escobar - 7 starts for Cowboys
2014 - DE DeMarcus Lawrence - 32 starts for Cowboys (1x 2nd team All-Pro, 1x Pro Bowl)
2015 - DE Randy Gregory - 0 starts
2016 - LB Jaylon Smith - 6 starts
2017 - CB Chidobe Awuzie - 6 starts

I believe the evidence speaks for itself. Pretty clear demarcation line after Johnson left.

 

[plymkr]

In another post, I mentioned the hit rate on 2nd round picks is about 50%. So, let's see how the Cowboys have done in the 2nd round during the Jones era:

Jimmy Johnson years
1989 - FB Daryl Johnston - 122 starts for Cowboys (2x Pro Bowl)
1990 - WR Alexander Wright - 7 starts for Cowboys; 37 starts for Raiders
1991 - LB Dixon Edwards - 47 starts for Cowboys; 43 starts for Vikings
1992 - WR Jimmy Smith - 0 starts for Cowboys; 150 starts for Jaguars (2x 2nd team All-pro, 5x Pro Bowl)
1992 - S Darren Woodson - 162 starts for Cowboys (4x 1st team All-Pro, 5x Pro Bowl)
1993 - WR Kevin Williams - 28 starts for Cowboys
1993 - LB Darrin Smith - 54 starts for Cowboys; 52 starts for Saints; 27 starts for Seahawks; 7 starts for Eagles

Barry Switzer years
1994 - OL Larry Allen - 176 starts for Dallas (7x 1st team All-Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, Hall of Fame); 27 starts for 49ers (1x Pro Bowl)
1995 - RB Sherman Williams - 3 starts for Cowboys
1995 - TE Kendall Watkins - 0 starts for Cowboys
1996 - DE Kavika Pittman - 31 starts for Cowboys; 44 starts for Broncos
1996 - LB Randall Godfrey - 54 starts for Cowboys; 42 starts for Chargers; 35 starts for Titans; 14 starts for Seahawks; 4 starts for Commanders
1997 - no pick

Chan Gailey years
1998 - OT Flozell Adams - 178 starts for Cowboys (5x Pro Bowl); 16 starts for Steelers
1999 - OG Solomon Page - 59 starts for Cowboys; 8 starts for Chargers

Dave Campo years
2000 - CB Dwayne Goodrich - 1 start for Cowboys
2001 - QB Quincy Carter - 31 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Jets
2001 - S Tony Dixon - 15 starts for Cowboys
2002 - C Andre Gurode - 122 starts for Cowboys (5x Pro Bowl); 5 starts for Ravens; 4 starts for Raiders
2002 - WR Antonio Bryant - 21 starts for Cowboys; 22 starts for Browns; 26 starts for Buccaneers; 13 starts for 49ers

Bill Parcells years
2003 - C Al Johnson - 31 starts for Cowboys; 14 starts for Cardinals
2004 - RB Julius Jones - 51 starts for Cowboys; 24 starts for Seahawks; 2 starts for Saints
2004 - OT Jacob Peters - 0 starts for Cowboys
2005 - LB Kevin Burnett - 5 starts for Cowboys; 32 starts for Dolphins; 23 starts for Chargers; 16 starts for Raiders
2006 - TE Anthony Fasano - 10 starts for Cowboys; 82 starts for Dolphins; 22 starts for Chiefs; 20 starts for Titans

Wade Phillips years
2007 - no pick
2008 - TE Martellus Bennett - 31 starts for Cowboys; 16 starts for Giants; 41 starts for Bears (1x Pro Bowl); 12 starts for Patriots; 7 starts for Packers
2009 - no pick
2010 - LB Sean Lee - 72 starts for Cowboys (1x 1st team All-Pro, 2x Pro Bowl)

Jason Garrett years
2011 - LB Bruce Carter - 32 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Buccaneers; 1 start for Jets
2012 - no pick
2013 - TE Gavin Escobar - 7 starts for Cowboys
2014 - DE DeMarcus Lawrence - 32 starts for Cowboys (1x 2nd team All-Pro, 1x Pro Bowl)
2015 - DE Randy Gregory - 0 starts
2016 - LB Jaylon Smith - 6 starts
2017 - CB Chidobe Awuzie - 6 starts

Good data, Thank you for putting that together. Seeing it like that gives it better perspective. Man besides Gurode those Campo years were brutal. Parcels di nt do too great in the 2nd round either.

Again thanks for your work.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Jason Garrett years
2011 - LB Bruce Carter - 32 starts for Cowboys; 3 starts for Buccaneers; 1 start for Jets
2012 - no pick
2013 - TE Gavin Escobar - 7 starts for Cowboys
2014 - DE DeMarcus Lawrence - 32 starts for Cowboys (1x 2nd team All-Pro, 1x Pro Bowl)
2015 - DE Randy Gregory - 0 starts
2016 - LB Jaylon Smith - 6 starts
2017 - CB Chidobe Awuzie - 6 starts

Yep Jerry and Will tearing down the house lol.....in fact its like we haven't had a no 2 pick (except T-Law) for the last 7 years....and we're building thru the Draft without Quality Fa pick ups ....YA GL WITH THAT !!!!!

P.S. MY only hope here is Awuzi don't Think Jaylon with his inj will ever be the stud we have hoped for....

 

[plymkr]

Damn shame Woody isnt in the HOF

If there's any justice in the world he'll be there eventually.

 

[Alexander]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EscoGa00.htm

You know good and well it was only as a result of Dallas recording the first snap in a two TE look.

If you believe they were true starts, that means he started out the game instead of Witten and that man has not missed a game in years.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Fasano had a pretty underrated NFL career.

 

[Fmart322]

Not really to compare, just curious .

That wouldn't be a fair comparison. The NFL had fewer teams then, so players picked in the 2nd round would be 1st round picks today - even if picked at the same draft location.

The NFL had 14 teams in the 60's, and 26 teams for much of the 70's after adding the 10 AFL teams, and also the Dolphins and Saints in 1970. They expanded to 28 teams in 1977 (Seahawks and Buccaneers). The league expanded to 30 teams in 1995 (Panthers and Jaguars, and then 32 teams in 2001 (Browns and Texans).

 

[Carter]

Damn we picked Gavin Escobar and one pick later the Steelers took Leveon Bell