2nd round pick

[waldoputty]

we can agree or disagree on taco being spicy taco or soft taco.
however, i would have felt a lot better if we took another DE in the 2nd instead of the DB.
e.g. willis, rivers, basham were all available.

i know they were short on DBs.
but adding a DE with more speed and agility would sure be nice.

 

[gmoney112]

Awuzie was BPA. It just happened to fill a need. Sometimes it works out that way.

 

[Stash]

we can agree or disagree on taco being spicy taco or soft taco.
however, i would have felt a lot better if we took another DE in the 2nd instead of the DB.
e.g. willis, rivers, basham were all available.

i know they were short on DBs.
but adding a DE with more speed and agility would sure be nice.

I think that's what they're hoping to get from Tapper this year.

Just looking at it on paper, they're essentially adding a possible top-5 pick in Jaylon Smith and a 4th round pass rusher in Tapper to this year's haul.

Not bad for a team that went 13-3 without any of the, last year.

 

[jday]

we can agree or disagree on taco being spicy taco or soft taco.
however, i would have felt a lot better if we took another DE in the 2nd instead of the DB.
e.g. willis, rivers, basham were all available.

i know they were short on DBs.
but adding a DE with more speed and agility would sure be nice.

We needed a DB so much more. As it stands, now, we have 4 RDE's, not including the "just a camp body's." Mayowa, Demontre Moore, Charles Tapper, and Taco. That is all for one position on a Defensive Line that will likely keep around 9 players. At corner, before the draft, all we had was Carroll, Scandrick and Brown. The Cowboys made the right decision there, in my opinion.

 

[waldoputty]

We needed a DB so much more. As it stands, now, we have 4 RDE's, not including the "just a camp body's." Mayowa, Demontre Moore, Charles Tapper, and Taco. That is all for one position on a Defensive Line that will likely keep around 9 players. At corner, before the draft, all we had was Carroll, Scandrick and Brown. The Cowboys made the right decision there, in my opinion.

IMO, much rather go with multiple DEs and live with Mcfadden if we had to with the DBs.
Dont trust Moore's brain and Tapper's back.

 

[tm1119]

IMO, much rather go with multiple DEs and live with Mcfadden if we had to with the DBs.
Dont trust Moore's brain and Tapper's back.

Who would you have cut? And not counting Moore because he's already probably the odd man out.

I would never complain about more talent on the d line, but you have to be realistic about it. There are only so many roster spots to fill on the d line and we're at maximum capacity as is. So it was either a CB who could potentially start day 1, or a DE that would be about 4th in the rotation

 

[jday]

IMO, much rather go with multiple DEs and live with Mcfadden if we had to with the DBs.
Dont trust Moore's brain and Tapper's back.

Are you familiar with the receivers we face in this division alone? McFadden ain't cutting it. And you really have to dismiss your preconceived notions of how defenses function. We are now in a passing league, where quarterbacks get the ball out of their hands inside 3 seconds. I don't care how good your defensive line is, if that's all the time you got, you have no time. You need your db's to be able to force the QB to hold the ball. If your db's can't do that, you don't have a chance, regardless of how great your defensive line is.

 

[waldoputty]

Who would you have cut? And not counting Moore because he's already probably the odd man out.

I would never complain about more talent on the d line, but you have to be realistic about it. There are only so many roster spots to fill on the d line and we're at maximum capacity as is. So it was either a CB who could potentially start day 1, or a DE that would be about 4th in the rotation

right now we have on the DL: tcrawford, irving, mayowa, taco, paea, collins, moore, thornton, dlaw, tapper
1. i would keep 10 so you could simply replace moore (or whoever) with willis/rivers/basham
2. i dont trust tapper's back and believe he could easily be IR/cut if the back has an issue
3. i believe willis/rivers/basham has as good a chance to be a starter as the DBs drafted
4. no DB can cover for 8 seconds consistently

 

[Sydla]

Awuzie was a high rated CB for them AND if you listen to McClay, they believe Tapper is as good as any 2nd round DE in this class. So its possible that Tapper is their Willis, Rivers.

 

[waldoputty]

Are you familiar with the receivers we face in this division alone? McFadden ain't cutting it. And you really have to dismiss your preconceived notions of how defenses function. We are now in a passing league, where quarterbacks get the ball out of their hands inside 3 seconds. I don't care how good your defensive line is, if that's all the time you got, you have no time. You need your db's to be able to force the QB to hold the ball. If your db's can't do that, you don't have a chance, regardless of how great your defensive line is.

i seem to remember the GB game where Rodgers got a lot more than 3 seconds to throw.
after the game, most of us were hellbent on the need for redoing the DL.
the DB mess was mostly self-inflicted - we did not have to replace 2.5 starters.
imo, rather live with mcfadden/udfas and upgrade the DL
probably a lot easier to acquire DBs by trade or in the 2018 draft.

 

[jday]

i seem to remember the GB game where Rodgers got a lot more than 3 seconds to throw.
after the game, most of us were hellbent on the need for redoing the DL.
the DB mess was mostly self-inflicted - we did not have to replace 2.5 starters.
imo, rather live with mcfadden/udfas and upgrade the DL
probably a lot easier to acquire DBs by trade or in the 2018 draft.

Fair point. But new to the defensive line is Tapper, Taco, Moore, Peae, a healther Demarcus Lawrence and eventually Randall Gregory. The cut to 53 is going to be hard enough as it is. The Cowboys addressed the defensive line as best they could, all things considered and were pretty much married to taking a DB in the second round after the Taco pick. It was only a question of which corner would be left.

 

[Nova]

I can somewhat understand, but I think you may be reviewing in hindsight.

The Cowboys didn't know that they were going to get Lewis in the 3rd when they drafted Awuzie.

So they took a DB who both for a need and was their BPA. Taking a DE here would have been questionable at the time.

 

[waldoputty]

Awuzie was a high rated CB for them AND if you listen to McClay, they believe Tapper is as good as any 2nd round DE in this class. So its possible that Tapper is their Willis, Rivers.

may be, or may be that is damage control for the concern with the taco pick.
my worry with tapper is his back and the need for 'management' of it.

 

[waldoputty]

Fair point. But new to the defensive line is Tapper, Taco, Moore, Peae, a healther Demarcus Lawrence and eventually Randall Gregory. The cut to 53 is going to be hard enough as it is. The Cowboys addressed the defensive line as best they could, all things considered and were pretty much married to taking a DB in the second round after the Taco pick. It was only a question of which corner would be left.

I understand your point also. Regarding dlaw and gregory, i think you know what i am going to say already.

I do wonder if they would have drafted a DL if they knew the 3rd round DB was going to be available to them.

 

[waldoputty]

I can somewhat understand, but I think you may be reviewing in hindsight.

The Cowboys didn't know that they were going to get Lewis in the 3rd when they drafted Awuzie.

So they took a DB who both for a need and was their BPA. Taking a DE here would have been questionable at the time.

absolutely fair point.
no one knew the 3rd db was going to be available at the 3rd round for them.
that is why i said i was willing to live with mcfadden and udfa.

so let me twist the question around.
would you be for trading Awuzie for Willis?

 

[Sydla]

may be, or may be that is damage control for the concern with the taco pick.
my worry with tapper is his back and the need for 'management' of it.

It could be. But if you watch Tapper play and see his combine results, certainly a case can be made he's not any different than a guy like Willis or Rivers who both are also raw players.

 

[waldoputty]

It could be. But if you watch Tapper play and see his combine results, certainly a case can be made he's not any different than a guy like Willis or Rivers who both are also raw players.

for me, it is about the back issue.
it was not cured, it requires 'management'

like i said earlier.
so let me twist the question around.
would you be for trading Awuzie for Willis now?

 

[jday]

I understand your point also. Regarding dlaw and gregory, i think you know what i am going to say already.

I do wonder if they would have drafted a DL if they knew the 3rd round DB was going to be available to them.

It's a good question. To be honest, I think they still would have and probably had a pretty good idea that Lewis was still going to be available when they picked Awuzie, given his size and legal issues. The thing you have to take in consideration there is that despite both being corners, they are two completely different types of corners...or at the very least, I believe the Cowboys have different plans for the two. Awuzie will be an outside corner, with the flexibility to play anywhere. I see Lewis as predominantly a Nickel corner. Again, both could be used in either capacity (though only Awuzie has the flexibility to play Safety, as well) but their ideal fit is Lewis at Nickel and Awuzie as an outside corner, on either side.

 

[waldoputty]

It's a good question. To be honest, I think they still would have and probably had a pretty good idea that Lewis was still going to be available when they picked Awuzie, given his size and legal issues. The thing you have to take in consideration there is that despite both being corners, they are two completely different types of corners...or at the very least, I believe the Cowboys have different plans for the two. Awuzie will be an outside corner, with the flexibility to play anywhere. I see Lewis as predominantly a Nickel corner. Again, both could be used in either capacity (though only Awuzie has the flexibility to play Safety, as well) but their ideal fit is Lewis at Nickel and Awuzie as an outside corner, on either side.

i get the difference between lewis and awuzie.
i would just rather live with more imperfect backfield than a DL.

 

[jday]

i get the difference between lewis and awuzie.
i would just rather live with more imperfect backfield than a DL.

There's a degree of wisdom in that. You build your defense middle to outside and front to back...that's the Jimmy Johnson way. That said, the Cowboys really like what they already have. I know us fans might not agree, but there it is, just the same.