3 of 4 QBs left still on Rookie deal

[Nav22]

Dak will be hitting 20% of the cap next season. That is "elite" money.

Stay losing, fraud.

Dak was the 8th-highest paid in 2022.

Is the 8th-best QB considered "elite"?

No? So I was right?

Awww, you lost again.

Check your DMs. Reality sucks, doesn't it?

I win.

 

[mattjames2010]

Oh yeah that was the divisional round for Cousins. The point is still valid. Brock isn’t playing with the 2000 Ravens defense. It is not about him.

It’s just about not messing it up. The team obviously does not need Dak to make it this far. Nick Foles won the Super Bowl just a few years back (and their defense and offense were not all world). You are just dodging now.

Switch Cousins with Jimmy G. Championship game and Super Bowl.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Maybe he is, but it has not translated into meaningful wins yet... again Elite status just like pay comes with winning per your comment. If your going to pay your QB on "How he looks when he plays" even though he keeps losing then what have you got?

I think the Chargers have their own JG as HC They should try to get Sean Payton.

 

[mattjames2010]

Dak was the 8th-highest paid in 2022.

Is the 8th-best QB considered "elite"?

No? So I was right?

Awww, you lost again.

Check your DMs. Reality sucks, doesn't it?

I win.

Yes, big brain, which is why you don't go by a single season - it's multi-year contract and there is no "out" for him this season or the next. He's not on a one year deal. Wipe the drool from your lip, hack.

The season for Dak is now over, only Watson will be hitting the cap more than Dak. Another L for you today.

 

[Nav22]

Yes, big brain, which is why you don't go by a single season - it's multi-year contract and there is no "out" for him this season or the next. He's not on a one year deal. Wipe the drool from your lip, hack.

The season for Dak is now over, only Watson will be hitting the cap more than Dak. Another L for you today.

Awwww, so hostile! Who said it was a 1-year deal? They get creative with the cap on big contracts regularly, so who knows what the % will be when 2023 begins?

But I get it... I'd be mad too after that DM.

Reality hurts, doesn't it? I've got you pegged. You know it and I know it.

 

[mattjames2010]

Awwww, so hostile! Who said it was a 1-year deal? They get creative with the cap on big contracts regularly, so who knows what the % will be when 2023 begins?

But I get it... I'd be mad too after that DM.

Reality hurts, doesn't it? I've got you pegged. You know it and I know it.

I am educating your BS "Well he's not making THAT much this year" - stop pretending to be dumber than a human can possibly be. In the most 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year cash Dak has been ranked first, third, and second. Directly from Spotrac. To suggest he's not making "elite" money is absolutely absurd and that is AFTER we messed with his contract, and guess what? We are about to bite it next season. There isn't a ton we can do with his contract in 2023, we WILL have to eat that money we pushed until then.

Stop embarrassing yourself - do you get off on this or something? You just humiliate yourself until you are forced to warm the bench. Absolute poverty fans in here today.

 

[Tussinman]

I remember a few years back there was some crazy stat. It was something along the lines of "11 of the last 13 superbowl winning teams had QBs that where not top 10 at their position for cap hit". Almost all of them where rookie base rate, 5th year option, or they had been recently extended but where in the cheaper front portion of the deal

 

[mattjames2010]

I remember a few years back there was some crazy stat. It was something along the lines of "11 of the last 13 superbowl winning teams had QBs that where playing on the rookie deal base rate or 5th year option".

It's either you win within that 4 year window or you do what the Rams and Broncos did and you just toss everything you have into trades and FA, get a Super Bowl, and then suck for the next 5 seasons.

 

[Nav22]

In the most 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year cash Dak has been ranked first, third, and second.

Is this supposed to be English?

Dak was ths 8th-highest paid QB in 2022. Period.

You lose.

You have no clue if we'll restructure in 2023 (he could sign a new deal entirely), so you're grasping at straws like the airhead you are.

 

[Adreme]

It also means the ranking system is useless. It obviously does not mean much in the postseason-as you can see how it’s playing out this year and in many prior years.

What does make sense is why certain GM’s will fork over tons of money and picks to attempt to get better results in the postseason. Most GM’s do not have 28 years to get something correct. They get 3 and 5 if they are lucky. Then they have to show an upward trend with evidence being wins in successive rounds of the playoffs. They also know that the position can go very sideways or spiral if your team does not have solid backups in case the young QB starter cannot get it done. Geno Smith looked better than Dak against the same defense and it’s not because Seattle has way better players on offense.

I mean Seattle does have way better players on offense. I would not even think that is a debatable topic as it is just very obvious. If the Seahawks had a real defense they would be competing for a Super Bowl right now. It seems like that drastically better talent was helping mask Wilson's decline.

The NFL GM job is hard because everyone knows the formula to build a winner. You need one of the 15-20 QBs who you can win with and then you need to surround them with as much talent as possible and the teams that can manage to both have one of those guys and surround them with the most talent win. This is why great QBs on rookie deals tend to do better because you then have one of the 15 guys and more cap space to surround them with playmakers.

 

[Blitzen]

Good to know that you would have tossed Peyton Manning right into the dumpster after his 7th NFL season.

What were the Colts thinking!?!?


I never said "keep Dak no matter what." Right now, he's the best option we have at QB. If that changes, let him walk.

But you're silly for pretending Dak did nothing to get this team to the Divisional Round. He sucked yesterday, but the answer isn't to get worse at QB just to save money. We had the money to have a better roster this year. There's other routes you can take besides willingly getting worse at the most important position on the field.

Peyton made the AFCCG after his 6th season. I actually made a thread saying I was good continuing building around Dak if he could get the team to the conference championship game and look good in the playoffs.

Every QB has something to do with the success of a winning team. You and I have gone back and forth on how much Dak and other QB’s are adding to their squads (and comparing it to other QB’s). He looked jittery yesterday even when he didn’t get pressured much. I never said willingly take a terrible player and tank a season. Trying to improve the club involves knowing the risk of investment. Even Andy Reid could not be entirely sure of how Pat would perform on the national stage.

How many teams continue to build around a QB that has not even reached a conference championship after 9 years with that club?

 

[Nav22]

Peyton made the AFCCG after his 6th season. I actually made a thread saying I was good continuing building around Dak if he could get the team to the conference championship game and look good in the playoffs.

Every QB has something to do with the success of a winning team. You and I have gone back and forth on how much Dak and other QB’s are adding to their squads (and comparing it to other QB’s). He looked jittery yesterday even when he didn’t get pressured much. I never said willingly take a terrible player and tank a season. Trying to improve the club involves knowing the risk of investment. Even Andy Reid could not be entirely sure of how Pat would perform on the national stage.

How many teams continue to build around a QB that has not even reached a conference championship after 9 years with that club?

So if Trevon Diggs picks that pass off, Pollard never gets hurt and the Cowboys win yesterday, your entire thought process with Dak goes out the window?

Dak sucked, but we lost to the better team on paper. We were underdogs for a reason.

Add another weapon or 2 for the offense and shore up the run D, and we could get over the hump with Dak.

Blowing it all up after consecutive 12-win seasons is asinine. Nobody operates like that in the NFL. There's teams out there who have been searching for a good QB for decades. You don't just toss one aside without an upgrade available.

Also, Dak's been here 7 years and got hurt for one of those years. Why round up to "9 years"? Exaggeration just to help your argument?

So in 6 full years as the starting QB, he's made the playoffs 4 times and reached the divisional round 3 times.

Show me one QB who's been shown the door despite that level of winning, without that team having any kind of potential QB upgrade in place. I'll wait.

 

[Blitzen]

I mean Seattle does have way better players on offense. I would not even think that is a debatable topic as it is just very obvious. If the Seahawks had a real defense they would be competing for a Super Bowl right now. It seems like that drastically better talent was helping mask Wilson's decline.

The NFL GM job is hard because everyone knows the formula to build a winner. You need one of the 15-20 QBs who you can win with and then you need to surround them with as much talent as possible and the teams that can manage to both have one of those guys and surround them with the most talent win. This is why great QBs on rookie deals tend to do better because you then have one of the 15 guys and more cap space to surround them with playmakers.

Seattle has a no name offensive line. Their rookie superstar (evidently) Kenneth Walker rushed for 1050 yards on 228 carries. Tony Pollard 1007 on 193 carries. DK Metcalf 1048 yards on 90 receptions. 1359 yards on 107 receptions. The yards gained were actually pretty even overall between the two teams (Dallas with a little more rushing yards and Seattle with a little more passing yards). 395 points scored for Seattle on offense and special teams. 449 points scored for Dallas on offense and special teams. Dallas obviously had the better offensive playmakers. By a large margin. It’s black and white-not sure why anyone is even arguing about this.

 

[Blitzen]

So if Trevon Diggs picks that pass off, Pollard never gets hurt and the Cowboys win yesterday, your entire thought process with Dak goes out the window?

Dak sucked, but we lost to the better team on paper. We were underdogs for a reason.

Add another weapon or 2 for the offense and shore up the run D, and we could get over the hump with Dak.

Blowing it all up after consecutive 12-win seasons is asinine. Nobody operates like that in the NFL. There's teams out there who have been searching for a good QB for decades. You don't just toss one aside without an upgrade available.

Also, Dak's been here 7 years and got hurt for one of those years. Why round up to "9 years"? Exaggeration just to help your argument?

So in 6 full years as the starting QB, he's made the playoffs 4 times and reached the divisional round 3 times.

Show me one QB who's been shown the door despite that level of winning, without that team having any kind of potential QB upgrade in place. I'll wait.

You are missing some key stuff from my argument. I said if Dak played or looked great during the playoffs, then he could get an extension and continue the building process. I also stated that he’s here the next 2 years no matter what (which puts him at 9 years). I’ve already said that I am in favor of a plan to attempt to upgrade the position (draft, trade). I never said get rid of him now and start Cooper Rush, but I don’t see why the fan base is so hot and bothered by getting to the divisional round.

My argument stems from the team building aspect. What is the logic for continuing to build around a QB if they have not been able to at least get to a conference championship game (assuming he cannot after 9 seasons). Teams do not typically do that because ownership will eventually fire the management and coaches if they continually fail in the playoffs. Alex Smith went to the playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons making it to the divisional round twice. And they moved on.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Yeah, HUGE advantage being on a rookie deal.

The QB just has to be a legit, do it on ur own, MVP type QB to warrant 20%of ur cap.

Otherwise, it crushes ur team.

Burrow, Josh Allen, Maholmes.... frankly anyone else would worry me. Even GreenBay with Aaron Rogers has won nothing since he was very young, because they can't afford to keep a good team around him....and he's a HOFer.

SOME gm will revolutionize the game: draft an athletic QB, build great roster around him on rookie deal....trade him on Year 4 if he's good, or cut him early if he isn't. Draft a QB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th every year...and when one looks like he's a winner then just go all in and put a superstar roster around him. Rinse,...repeat.

Roseman seems like the kind of GM ballsy enough to do this. You know someone is going to try it eventually.

 

[Nav22]

You are missing some key stuff from my argument. I said if Dak played or looked great during the playoffs, then he could get an extension and continue the building process. I also stated that he’s here the next 2 years no matter what (which puts him at 9 years). I’ve already said that I am in favor of a plan to attempt to upgrade the position (draft, trade). I never said get rid of him now and start Cooper Rush, but I don’t see why the fan base is so hot and bothered by getting to the divisional round.

My argument stems from the team building aspect. What is the logic for continuing to build around a QB if they have not been able to at least get to a conference championship game (assuming he cannot after 9 seasons). Teams do not typically do that because ownership will eventually fire the management and coaches if they continually fail in the playoffs. Alex Smith went to the playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons making it to the divisional round twice. And they moved on.

We'll revisit this after year 9 then.

Lots can happen between now and then.

Maybe next year he actually has his Pro Bowl RB and another real receiving threat, and isn't facing the best defense in football on the road.

He sucked yesterday but he was outstanding at Tampa Bay, the 8th-ranked defense in terms of efficiency.

You don't just toss away a good QB until you have a potential upgrade in place. Like the 49ers did with Alex Smith/Colin Kaepernick.

 

[zrinkill]

And here we are ...... 7 years later

 

[MyFairLady]

We need to turn back the clock and bring back the 2016 offense. He should be running at least 10 designed QB run plays per game. On pass plays he should have maximum 2 reads then take off or throw it away. On deep balls he should be rolling out to buy time because he can't adjust if required. The whole thing needs to be simplified.

 

[diamonddelts]

Hello

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Roseman seems like the kind of GM ballsy enough to do this. You know someone is going to try it eventually.

I think Ravens are legitimately considering it.