3 of 4 QBs left still on Rookie deal

[CowboyFrog]

Purdy led the NFL in passer rating. Not exactly Trent Dilfer.

What has Nick Foles done since that miracle run?

Only a casual fan could make the argument that a mediocre nobody at QB gives you a better chance than a top-10 QB.

Should the Bills and Chargers get rid of their QBs too? Save the money and spend it elsewhere! Just build the best supporting cast in football and plug in the next Brock Purdy!

For sure its harder than that but, its no less crazy than saying "Lets run this back again and see what happens" ... correct? Again i dont dislike Dak nor do i think he is a bum... he is not a QB that you can give 49Mill cap space too and be able to put the team around him he needs to be sucessfull in consecutive playoffs games, i think that has been proven

 

[Nav22]

What about Herbert? He’s awesome and yes I’d pay him because he’s the total package as a QB.

An elite talent / player.

And based on your own reasoning, the Chargers would get WORSE than they are now, and right now they can't even sniff the divisional round with Justin Herbert.

You lose.


"Total package" who choked away a 27-0 lead that was built off 5 Chargers takeaways in the 1st half.

"Total package" who's 25-25 as a starter through 3 seasons, including playoffs.

 

[CATCH17]

And based on your own reasoning, the Chargers would get WORSE than they are now, and right now they can't even sniff the divisional round with Justin Herbert.

You lose.

I’ve always said you pay actual elite QBs. Herbert is rare. Dak isn’t.

 

[Blitzen]

Dak stunk it up, how does that make Diggs "Business desicion" In the playoffs on a needed play any less bad? Again you want the culture changed then change all of the problems not just your pet cat problem.

I’m good with trading Diggs but his mistakes pale in comparison. He’s never going to be a great tackler and he just missed the deflection. 2 plays from a player that must react to make plays. The defense gave up 13 points to SF without the turnovers-on the road. Defense was spectacular and basically a non issue with regards to what lost that game.

 

[Nav22]

I’ve always said you pay actual elite QBs. Herbert is rare. Dak isn’t.

The results don't matter for Justin Herbert.

He gets a lifetime pass for .500 results.

Got it.

Carson Wentz was once a "rare talent" too.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I’m good with trading Diggs but his mistakes pale in comparison. He’s never going to be a great tackler and he just missed the deflection. 2 plays from a player that must react to make plays. The defense gave up 13 points to SF without the turnovers-on the road. Defense was spectacular and basically a non issue with regards to what lost that game.

I would be ok with mistakes, I'm not ok with business desicions in playoff games, again the culture needs changed, I dont want to hear "I'll do better" from Dak and damn sure never want to see a defensive player wimp out in the playoffs.

 

[CATCH17]

The results don't matter for Justin Herbert. He gets a lifetime pass for .500 results.

Got it.

Carson Wentz was once a "rare talent" too.

I can’t imagine what it’s like for you seeing everything that I say come to life and you still trying to comprehend it and even though the reality has happened and is right in front of you all you can do is post laughing emojis.

You will see the things I’ve said happen again and again until my “wild” opinion becomes mainstream and of course you will have always known what I said was the right thing.

 

[Flamma]

For sure its harder than that but, its no less crazy than saying "Lets run this back again and see what happens" ... correct? Again i dont dislike Dak nor do i think he is a bum... he is not a QB that you can give 49Mill cap space too and be able to put the team around him he needs to be sucessfull in consecutive playoffs games, i think that has been proven

This is what's going to happen. Which is my biggest problem with this team in the offseason. They're going to just run it back with the addition of drafted players, and cheap FAs to fill holes. And in most cases, won't move up in the draft in the first two days.

This is exactly what they've done since 2016. Probably a few years before that, but 2016 is when I started paying attention to their off seasons.

 

[GINeric]

And the other is Patrick Mahomes.

Unless you have an elite guy.. Please from now on don’t pay someone like Dak whatever the market says you need to pay him. Don’t be that guy on here arguing.

We literally have to find ways to have him do less because if we ask him to do more he can’t do it.

Now we’re locked into mediocrity just like I said we would be with no chance of Super Bowl success.

Dallas had a huge advantage yesterday and our advantage, Dak, was our weakness.

From now on it’s how do we win a championship in spite of our highest paid player and not because of our highest paid player.

Those who advocated for him to be paid… Please learn your lesson. If Romo couldn’t do it then Dak sure as heck can’t do it.

Having an elite quarterback doesn't guarantee you a Superbowl ring. It makes your chances greater, but you don't have to be an elite quarterback to win it all.

There are plenty of non-elite quarterbacks who have won Superbowls and there are elite quarterbacks who haven't.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Having an elite quarterback doesn't guarantee you a Superbowl ring. It makes your chances greater, but you don't have to be an elite quarterback to win it all.

There are plenty of non-elite quarterbacks who have won Superbowls and there are elite quarterbacks who haven't.

The odds are 3 to1 right now that a non elite QB will win the SB this year... there may not even be an elite QB in the SB this year. Burrow wins it and he will earn the status.

 

[CATCH17]

Having an elite quarterback doesn't guarantee you a Superbowl ring. It makes your chances greater, but you don't have to be an elite quarterback to win it all.

There are plenty of non-elite quarterbacks who have won Superbowls and there are elite quarterbacks who haven't.

Completely agree..

Now show me the list of non elite QBs getting paid the % cap space that Dak is and winning.

QBs that aren’t elite typically don’t get paid much or win on their rookie deal.

In fact the majority of elite QBs usually win on their rookie deal.

Pay your Elite QBs, pay your Dak level guys like Joe Flacco if they win you a title, but don’t pay your Dak level guys when they have gave you nothing.

 

[Nav22]

I can’t imagine what it’s like for you seeing everything that I say come to life and you still trying to comprehend it and even though the reality has happened and is right in front of you all you can do is post laughing emojis.

You will see the things I’ve said happen again and again until my “wild” opinion becomes mainstream and of course you will have always known what I said was the right thing.

Must be nice going through life pretending the results don't matter at all.

Herbert is "rare" and "should be paid".... despite being a .500 QB who choked away his 1 and only playoff appearance?

Here's the "reality right in front of us:" Dak won a playoff game by year 3. Dak was in the divisional round TWICE by year 3. Herbert hasn't done JACK in this league.

Clowns like you told us Carson Wentz was "rare" and better than Dak too.

OOPS!

What's the "mainstream" opinion on Wentz vs Dak now?

"Herbert's a rare talent! Ignore the results, you guys!"

"Kyler's better than Dak and Hurts!" Let's see how "mainstream" that is when the QB rankings come out this offseason. I'm keeping receipts.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Completely agree..

Now show me the list of non elite QBs getting paid the % cap space that Dak is and winning.

QBs that aren’t elite typically don’t get paid much or win on their rookie deal.

In fact the majority of elite QBs usually win on their rookie deal.

Pay your Elite QBs, pay your Dak level guys like Joe Flacco if they win you a title, but don’t pay your Dak level guys when they have gave you nothing.

Herbert's deal will come up before they win one....is he elite? or does he just have an ok win% on a rookie deal? I agree Dak can not take 49mill of the cap if he can not carry the load in the playoffs..

 

[Blitzen]

Purdy led the NFL in passer rating. Not exactly Trent Dilfer.

What has Nick Foles done since that miracle run?

Only a casual fan could make the argument that a mediocre nobody at QB gives you a better chance than a top-10 QB.

Should the Bills and Chargers get rid of their QBs too? Save the money and spend it elsewhere! Just build the best supporting cast in football and plug in the next Brock Purdy!

Yes. Give them their 5 years (if it’s a first rounder) and then franchise tag them twice. This is assuming positive progression of the QB and team. If after that long, the team is fizzling out in the playoffs, then you try to improve other important positions and wish the guy a good day and see if they would like the backup job if they okay.

Josh Allen has actually made the AFCCG (yes I’m sure). Herbert is still on his rookie contract, so he’s still got time to prove himself. Not every decision is about the following season. Dak will be with the Cowboys for two more seasons at least even with more crappy performances. Making a change involves the risk of worse results-it happens all over the league.

Is there somewhere that you can get licensed as a professional fan? What makes Dak so necessary? What difference can he make on the squad in these big games? Is it possible he tried to make too much happen and has been which is resulting in way more interceptions? Are there other positions where they can make even greater impact? Dak does not need another 8 years to prove my point. He proved it yesterday. The clubs were very even on basically everything except for QB turnovers.

 

[CATCH17]

Herbert's deal will come up before they win one....is he elite? or does he just have an ok win% on a rookie deal? I agree Dak can not take 49mill of the cap if he can not carry the load in the playoffs..

Justin Herbert is as rare of a talent as it gets and you pay him because someone else will.

Who else would give Dak his current deal? Lol.

 

[GINeric]

Completely agree..

Now show me the list of non elite QBs getting paid the % cap space that Dak is and winning.

QBs that aren’t elite typically don’t get paid much or win on their rookie deal.

In fact the majority of elite QBs usually win on their rookie deal.

Pay your Elite QBs, pay your Dak level guys like Joe Flacco if they win you a title, but don’t pay your Dak level guys when they have gave you nothing.

Kyler Murray, Watson, Allen and Carr are all getting paid more than Dak and haven't won anything yet. Cousins, Wentz, and a few other quarterbacks are right there with Dak's contract.

Allen is definitely a great quarterback who's more than capable of winning though.

That's just the way the pay scale goes in the NFL.

Other than Brady, Rodgers, Allen, and Mahomes, tell me what other quarterbacks in the league with max dollar contracts are truly earning them??

 

[CowboyFrog]

Justin Herbert is as rare of a talent as it gets and you pay him because someone else will.

Who else would give Dak his current deal? Lol.

Maybe he is, but it has not translated into meaningful wins yet... again Elite status just like pay comes with winning per your comment. If your going to pay your QB on "How he looks when he plays" even though he keeps losing then what have you got?

 

[CATCH17]

Maybe he is, but it has not translated into meaningful wins yet... again Elite status just like pay comes with winning per your comment. If your going to pay your QB on "How he looks when he plays" even though he keeps losing then what have you got?

If you just go by team results you end up doing stupid stuff like paying Dak Prescott.

 

[Nav22]

Yes. Give them their 5 years (if it’s a first rounder) and then franchise tag them twice. This is assuming positive progression of the QB and team. If after that long, the team is fizzling out in the playoffs, then you try to improve other important positions and wish the guy a good day and see if they would like the backup job if they okay.

Josh Allen has actually made the AFCCG (yes I’m sure). Herbert is still on his rookie contract, so he’s still got time to prove himself. Not every decision is about the following season. Dak will be with the Cowboys for two more seasons at least even with more crappy performances. Making a change involves the risk of worse results-it happens all over the league.

Is there somewhere that you can get licensed as a professional fan? What makes Dak so necessary? What difference can he make on the squad in these big games? Is it possible he tried to make too much happen and has been which is resulting in way more interceptions? Are there other positions where they can make even greater impact? Dak does not need another 8 years to prove my point. He proved it yesterday. The clubs were very even on basically everything except for QB turnovers.

Good to know that you would have tossed Peyton Manning right into the dumpster after his 7th NFL season.

What were the Colts thinking!?!?


I never said "keep Dak no matter what." Right now, he's the best option we have at QB. If that changes, let him walk.

But you're silly for pretending Dak did nothing to get this team to the Divisional Round. He sucked yesterday, but the answer isn't to get worse at QB just to save money. We had the money to have a better roster this year. There's other routes you can take besides willingly getting worse at the most important position on the field.

 

[mattjames2010]

Good thing Dak's not making "elite money" then!

QBs cost what they cost.

If your plan is "draft the next Mahomes, and if you don't, keep tanking and trying every few years," that's how you become a 5-win laughingstock every year.

Dak will be hitting 20% of the cap next season. That is "elite" money.

Stay losing, fraud.