3 rookie QBs played today, and they all struggled

[Nav22]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
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Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Not sure who would ever say that, these are rookie QBs we are talking about. Limited practices and playing time in the PS. Coupled with going to inferior teams . Recipe for a tough learning curve. Today’s QBs are even more of a crapshoot because they all don’t have great arms or accuracy and require superior coaching.

Even vet QBs struggled this weekend.

 

[VaqueroTD]

In fairness, could look at a lot,of today’s best QBs and see a horrible box score for their first game.

I’m not one of these Dak Bashers, and definitely wasn’t one of the jokers who thought Trey Lance was a better option, but in their defense, I think they’re talking long-term with a 1st round QB. They’ve already given up on Dak and don’t think he’ll ever do anything in the Playoffs.

 

[DogFace]

Not sure who would ever say that, these are rookie QBs we are talking about. Limited practices and playing time in the PS. Coupled with going to inferior teams . Recipe for a tough learning curve. Today’s QBs are even more of a crapshoot because they all don’t have great arms or accuracy and require superior coaching.

Even vet QBs struggled this weekend.

Read this site more. It’s a continual theme that we need to draft a future star as soon as possible. And yes. They all act like it’s pretty simple.

 

[thunderpimp91]

This thread is just as bad as the 'Dak was below average' thread as it's nothing more than a cherry picked narrative thread.

Also if I'm the poster you don't want to embarrass, please feel free to do so, I'm happy to have the conversation. I've said multiple times that it's easier in the modern game to find QBs and I still think that is true. That doesn't mean its automatic, and that quote was also directed at teams with talented rosters having an easier time finding good QBs. It's why Sam Darnold was a backup QB who looked really good yesterday. It's why Baker Mayfield who no one wanted on their team 18 months ago had one of the best weeks in the entire league yesterday in addition to winning a playoff game last year. Gardner Minshew didn't get the win, but outplayed a lot of really good QBs going 25-33 for 257. Teams are finding QBs in a variety of ways with more success than ever coming from free agency and trades.

As far as yesterdays games go for the young guns Bo Nix was horrible, Jayden Daniels showed a lot of promise mixed in with the rookie mistakes. I didn't see any of the Bears game so I wont comment on Caleb Williams aside from saying he had a horrible stat line but his team go the twin. Bryce Young is looking more and more like a legitimate bust, but the other two 1st rounders from that class are looking like keepers.

Ultimately we have to let these guys play more than a week before declaring victory. Pulling the stat lines here and coming to a conclusion is the exact same logic that leads to posters saying Dak played horrible because he was 21st in comp percentage, 17th in pass yards, 21st in Y/A, 19th in QBR, etc. It's not true, Dak played a solid game with some absolute dimes early on, and some accuracy issues later in the game. The Cowboys didn't win anything because of Dak yesterday, but he certainly didn't do anything to put the team in position to lose either as the game plan switched to a conservative approach with the lead. The problem is many fans feel the need to make everything about the QB all the time.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Read this site more. It’s a continual theme that we need to draft a future star as soon as possible. And yes. They all act like it’s pretty simple.

Agree, and you forgot to mention that many don't seem to mind if we tank a season or two. THAT bugs me.

 

[John813]

I think some don't realize how hard it is to get a competent QB in the draft, especially when the team is bad.
For some recently drafted QB's, they will have gone from a top CFB team to a bad NFL team. It's going to be a huge learning curve all around. One week won't define them, but it definitely is a smack in the face saying, "welcome to the NFL".

The Burrows lighting up the league as a rookie is rare as hell to see.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yawn. When you’re picking high you usually have a sucky team too.

This doesn’t somehow make Dak magically better or that picking a QB in the first round still probabilistically better than later.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yep it's hard.....but teams do it. They know there's transition, risk even. You do your best diligence and just do it.

This fear stuff we been living in last couple years is ...stupid. It would appear we don't have to worry about it for awhile now.

Maybe.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yawn. When you’re picking high you usually have a sucky team too.

This doesn’t somehow make Dak magically better or that picking a QB in the first round still probabilistically better than later.

That's right. Dak had a great rookie season....but it wasn't with a team with #1 pick either. Some might call me nittin'....but facts is facts.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Jayden Daniels putting up those numbers vs a Todd Bowles defense on the road isn’t exactly struggling. He was pretty good. His team just stinks.

 

[superonyx]

Reality is the college game has been dumbed down and now most of these guys are coming to the NFL and needing to learn the pro game from a disadvantaged position. Scouts can only do so much to determine if they have the ability to adapt.

The success rate has always been low and it’s looking like it may start to become even lower. I actually expect more Justin Fields level than CJ Stroud type of players coming to the NFL trying to play QB.

Rookies also used to almost never start. Now teams are hoping for Dak or Stroud rookies and it going to cause many of these guys to be broken.

Trey Lance should never have been drafted that early. 20 year ago he may not have even been drafted.

 

[DogFace]

Agree, and you forgot to mention that many don't seem to mind if we tank a season or two. THAT bugs me.

It’s all about, one game, the Super Bowl, to some. All these days of enjoying a win are not important to them, I guess.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I didn’t see the Commanders game but looking at clips it doesn’t look like Daniel’s played bad. Promising first game from him. Caleb was terrible and they won. I still don’t know how.

 

[conner01]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
--------------------

Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

Finding an NFL QB is extremely difficult. A guy or two will develop into good QB’s of these last two classes combined. The rest won’t. Same as it’s been for decades

 

[Nav22]

This thread is just as bad as the 'Dak was below average' thread as it's nothing more than a cherry picked narrative thread.

Also if I'm the poster you don't want to embarrass, please feel free to do so, I'm happy to have the conversation. I've said multiple times that it's easier in the modern game to find QBs and I still think that is true. That doesn't mean its automatic, and that quote was also directed at teams with talented rosters having an easier time finding good QBs. It's why Sam Darnold was a backup QB who looked really good yesterday. It's why Baker Mayfield who no one wanted on their team 18 months ago had one of the best weeks in the entire league yesterday in addition to winning a playoff game last year. Gardner Minshew didn't get the win, but outplayed a lot of really good QBs going 25-33 for 257. Teams are finding QBs in a variety of ways with more success than ever coming from free agency and trades.

As far as yesterdays games go for the young guns Bo Nix was horrible, Jayden Daniels showed a lot of promise mixed in with the rookie mistakes. I didn't see any of the Bears game so I wont comment on Caleb Williams aside from saying he had a horrible stat line but his team go the twin. Bryce Young is looking more and more like a legitimate bust, but the other two 1st rounders from that class are looking like keepers.

Ultimately we have to let these guys play more than a week before declaring victory. Pulling the stat lines here and coming to a conclusion is the exact same logic that leads to posters saying Dak played horrible because he was 21st in comp percentage, 17th in pass yards, 21st in Y/A, 19th in QBR, etc. It's not true, Dak played a solid game with some absolute dimes early on, and some accuracy issues later in the game. The Cowboys didn't win anything because of Dak yesterday, but he certainly didn't do anything to put the team in position to lose either as the game plan switched to a conservative approach with the lead. The problem is many fans feel the need to make everything about the QB all the time.

Wasn't you I was talking about.

I didn't say these guys would all be busts. I'm pointing out that drafting a QB high and hoping they're the savior isn't likely.

Trevor Lawrence was a #1 overall pick, is far from a bust, and got PAID too. Have the Jaguars won anything with him??? Nope.

So even the 1st Round QBs who AREN'T busts still need an elite team around them to win. Could say the same for Justin Herbert.

We already have a very good QB. Tossing him aside without a viable replacement would've been insanely stupid.

 

[Nav22]

Yawn. When you’re picking high you usually have a sucky team too.

This doesn’t somehow make Dak magically better or that picking a QB in the first round still probabilistically better than later.

Dak doesn't need you to make him "magically better."

He's an All-Pro QB and the reigning MVP runner-up.

Those are facts, no matter how they make you feel.

 

[Nav22]

Yep it's hard.....but teams do it. They know there's transition, risk even. You do your best diligence and just do it.

This fear stuff we been living in last couple years is ...stupid. It would appear we don't have to worry about it for awhile now.

Maybe.

The Chiefs had a good QB in Alex Smith.

They drafted Mahomes, saw what they had in him AND THEN they got rid of Smith.

See how that works?

There's literally no good reason to get rid of a damn good QB like Dak without a viable alternative available.

Nobody chooses QB purgatory.

If Trey Lance had lit it up all preseason, the Dak negotiations might've been very different. Maybe we'd have looked to trade Dak and roll with the younger and cheaper Lance.

But he didn't. Instead, Lance was another harsh reminder of how hard it is to find a QB as good as Dak.

 

[Nav22]

Jayden Daniels putting up those numbers vs a Todd Bowles defense on the road isn’t exactly struggling. He was pretty good. His team just stinks.

If Dak had that exact same game, needing a late garbage-time TD to reach 20 points in a 37-20 drubbing, nobody on earth would say he was "pretty good."

Don't handicap Daniels like that. He was a #2 overall pick and was drafted to be their franchise savior.

Yes, he struggled.

 

[JohnsKey19]

If Dak had that exact same game, needing a late garbage-time TD to reach 20 points in a 37-20 drubbing, nobody on earth would say he was "pretty good."

Don't handicap Daniels like that. He was a #2 overall pick and was drafted to be their franchise savior.

Yes, he struggled.

thats not how the NFL works but carry on…