3 rookie QBs played today, and they all struggled

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The Chiefs had a good QB in Alex Smith.

Stopped right there, because the rest is based on a complete falsehood.

 

[Nav22]

Basically, your response is ignoring that your OP was examples of drafted rookie quarterbacks struggling in their first games--which you are using to support your assessment that drafting a first-round quarterback is not a good argument. I provided additional league data (e.g. how the three additional rookie quarterbacks performed in their first games), so I did not ignore anything.

Then you interject Paxton Lynch as a supportive example. Jones did not draft Lynch. He tried but failed. So, another argumentative deflection is trying to draft a first-round quarterback but not succeeding? That helps your argument in your opinion?

Okay.

I'm out.

Good, be gone.

Jerry drafting Paxton Lynch would've been worse than Jerry almost drafting Paxton Lynch.

Funny how you need to see the failure in front of your face in order to learn from it. Not everyone's like you. Some of us can learn through the experiences of others as well.

 

[Nav22]

Stopped right there, because the rest is based on a complete falsehood.

Yeah, okay.

You just won't tell us which part was false.

"Trust me, bro."

 

[CWR]

That's fine. We traded for Lance a year ago hoping he'd develop.

What's NOT fine is getting rid of your good QB WITHOUT a young replacement you feel great about.

Yeah that would be a swing and a miss. The idea being you feel comfortable or even excited with your prospect when the time comes. The Pats did this for years and although they held Brady most of that time they were still able to flip the younger qbs and aquire assets.

 

[zrinkill]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
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Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

What a silly biased thread, once again attacking rookies to defend the 240 million dollar man.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Yeah, okay.

You just won't tell us which part was false.

"Trust me, bro."

Alex Smith wasn't good. That part is false.

It's a myth people on this board tell themselves to try to justify their stupid positions on Dak.

 

[Rayman70]

Lets not forget ALL QBs that were awful yesterday. What about Watson and Joe Burrow? I know this thread is only about the rookies, but what has happened to Watson and Burrow? Holy cow. Yes guys and gals, Daniel Jones is still Daniel Jones and doesn't require further explanation lol...OH BTW, I don't wish this on anyone but what's the over under on when or what game Daniels (QB FOR THE COMMODES) gets hurt in and misses games? That poor kid needs fed! Feed that man! Hès razor skinny. One hit he's done.

 

[Nav22]

Daniel's numbers were better than Prescott's across the board. Higher completion percentage, higher yards per attempt, higher rating and higher qbr

Also consider that he did this as a rookie making his first NFL start surrounded by significantly worse Talent on the offensive side of the ball.

I would love to have that kid on a rookie contract. We would be a Super Bowl Contender next year

Jayden's early struggles were a BIG reason the game got out of hand and his team got curb-stomped.

Dak's early success was a BIG reason the Cowboys took control early and won easily.

Fantasy football has fried your brain.

 

[Nav22]

Alex Smith wasn't good. That part is false.

It's a myth people on this board tell themselves to try to justify their stupid positions on Dak.

I'll hold your hand through this.

Let's say you're right.

Let's say Alex Smith wasn't even good (despite the fact that he was a 3x Pro Bowler).

Then that means the Chiefs refusing to part with him UNTIL AFTER getting Mahomes HELPS MY ARGUMENT, because they weren't even willing to part with an average QB!

Can you think of an example of a team getting rid of a good QB in his prime without a good alternative available on the roster? And if so, did it work out for that team in the long run?

Of course you can't.

How ironic that you tried calling others out for "stupid positions."

 

[MikeT22]

, Lance was another harsh reminder of how hard it is to find a QB as good as Dak.

Or maybe trading for a QB who was already a proven NFL failure isnt a good idea.

 

[DFWJC]

Jayden's early struggles were a BIG reason the game got out of hand and his team got curb-stomped.

Dak's early success was a BIG reason the Cowboys took control early and won easily.

Fantasy football has fried your brain.

You missed my point entirely. I'm not even sure you read my post with that comment.

Dak played well...imo.
Rookies are not expected to play well right away, no matter how great they may become.

 

[Nav22]

Or maybe trading for a QB who was already a proven NFL failure isnt a good idea.

Bryce Young's garbage.

#1 overall pick last year.

"Bad ideas" can come from anywhere.

 

[JoeKing]

I'm on this thread reading about rookie quarterbacks and wonder why it's posted here. Don't we have an NFL forum where this thread belongs?

 

[Nav22]

You missed my point entirely. I'm not even sure you read my post with that comment.

Dak played well...imo.
Rookies are not expected to play well right away, no matter how great they may become.

I wasn't replying to you.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I'll hold your hand through this.

Let's say you're right.

Let's say Alex Smith wasn't even good (despite the fact that he was a 3x Pro Bowler).

Then that means the Chiefs refusing to part with him UNTIL AFTER getting Mahomes HELPS MY ARGUMENT, because they weren't even willing to part with an average QB!

How ironic that you tried calling others out for "stupid positions."

No, it means they wanted to part with him.

They replaced a bad QB with a good one - and traded up for Mahomes on top of that. They had no belief in Smith.

I guess I don't really understand what your point is, but if it is based on the idea that Alex Smith is good, then it is a bad one.

 

[Nav22]

What a silly biased thread, once again attacking rookies to defend the 240 million dollar man.

Yeah, so biased.

Anyone who isn't biased can see that the Panthers will be living LARGE with the monster that is Bryce Young!

And just wait until the Jets finally hit their stride with #2 overall pick Zach Wilson!

Wait, Zach's on the Broncos now!? They must've traded the farm to get that stud!!!

Dak won. Cowboys won. You lost.

 

[zrinkill]

Yeah, so biased.

Good you admit it.

 

[Nav22]

Good you admit it.

Dak won. Cowboys won. You lost.

 

[zrinkill]

Dak won. Cowboys won. You lost.

Yea ....... you said that already ....... right out of the Rockport handbook.

I love the Cowboys win ....... but its no different than the other years ....... we demolish bad teams and celebrate.

Then the playoffs hit

Then we make excuses.

I will bookmark this thread ....... you will see it again in January.

 

[MikeT22]

I didn't say these guys would all be busts. I'm pointing out that drafting a QB high and hoping they're the savior isn't likely.

.

We already have a very good QB. Tossing him aside without a viable replacement would've been insanely stupid.

First, historically, rookie QBs didnt start on day one if at all their first year. Teams didnt want ti immediately throw them to the wolves and potentially damage or ruin them. Now it happens regularly but shouldnt be a surprise when they aren’t lighting it up on opening day.

Your second point, this is how Jerry orchestrates it. Never has a viable option developing and then can say we cant just get rid of the starter with no one ready to step in.
Hence we get a 9 yr vet with 2 playoff wins receiving the highest contract for a QB in league history. But relevancy, not a SB, is his goal so he succeeds.