3rd String QB, My Convoluted Thoughts

[MichaelWinicki]

Harrington signed with another team.

 

[Stash]

Harrington signed with another team.

Where did he end up?

Was it Baltimore? Or was that one of ESPN's many erroneous reports?

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Harrington signed with another team.

Reaaly? Who?
I heard he was set to sign with the Ravens but they signed Bouman instead.

EDIT: (from NFL.com)
QB 13 Harrington, Joey CUT TDS 7 INT 8 YDS 2,215 RTG 77.2 ATL

 

[superpunk]

Would you really put Beck in that category at this point?

He's a 27 year old player. I could see him maybe reaching Jon Kitna status, maybe. Otherwise, yeah - I'd say at this point you can book Beck as having a short, obscure career. Maybe he can be Shaun King.

I think we'd be much better served just using the draft pick we'd be wasting on a guy like Beck, and drafting someone next year or the year after.

Or, maybe we can pick up Beck when the Dolphins release him this offseason.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Reaaly? Who?
I heard he was set to sign with the Ravens but they signed Bouman instead.

EDIT: (from NFL.com)
QB 13 Harrington, Joey CUT TDS 7 INT 8 YDS 2,215 RTG 77.2 ATL

Then I missed that.

Not that I'd want the Cowboys to sign the guy anyway.

 

[Hostile]

Who would have guessed that Romo fit that?

If the Cowboys thought Beck was worth a 5th, he'd be here.

Romo and Warner are remarkable stories. We need to get past the idea that their kind of success and development is the norm.

 

[Stash]

He's a 27 year old player. I could see him maybe reaching Jon Kitna status, maybe. Otherwise, yeah - I'd say at this point you can book Beck as having a short, obscure career. Maybe he can be Shaun King.

I think we'd be much better served just using the draft pick we'd be wasting on a guy like Beck, and drafting someone next year or the year after.

I can see your point, but then if the plan is for this to be Johnson's last season in Dallas - which I believe it is - then 'the new guy' would have no experience in the offense to be prepared as the #2. I believe that 'jump start' on next season is the primary reason for this move.

 

[Hostile]

Why does it matter? I mean honestly? By the time Beck is ready to play, he's going to need to retire at 31. Last year he showed a pretty good arm and some ok mobility, and nothing else, really. Anyone we'd be getting is in that same realm of worthless mediocrity that will ultimately be completely useless to us, will end up costing us a draft pick, and then just signing somewhere else in two years to be someone else's worthless backup.

I don't see the point of acquiring any of these "Potential As-Yet-Unfulfilled" backups out there. What's the end-game? It can't be anything else than eventually just saying goodbye, thanks for holding placekicks and a clipboard for the past 2 season.

I agree with Winicki. If we acquire a QB like that, it will be taking a chance in the late rounds of an upcoming draft - not giving away our late rounds of the draft for someone who has already proved they're not starting material. There's simply no point to it.

You have a different time table than I do if you think it will take Beck 4 years to be valuable to a franchise.

 

[Hostile]

Then I missed that.

Not that I'd want the Cowboys to sign the guy anyway.

I'd rather have Harrington than Bollinger.

JMO

 

[rcaldw]

Let me agree with Hos and even take it a step farther in a different direction.

One of the reasons I always though that the "can't win without Emmitt, but can win games without Troy" thing was so stupid was the different way that the Cowboys treated the backups at those positions in the early 90's.

Behind Troy we had Steve Beurlein - a bonafide starter on at least 2 other teams, then we had Bernie Kosar - a bonafide starter on at least 2 other teams, we had, at one point, Rodney Peete a starter on at least 1 other team, and of course Jason Garrett who was the weakest of the group.

In other words, they always hedged their bet on Aikman staying healthy the entire season.

Behind Emmitt we had people like Sherman Williams, Curvin Richards, and until late in his career, a host of others who never did anything in the league, even some arena ball runners at times.

Now, it could be argued that in Brad Johnson we have exactly the kind of guy we had in Beurlein (spelling?), and Kosar and Peete, but let me argue otherwise.

Beurlein started for teams AFTER Dallas.
Kosar was a starter in Cleveland the same year that he ended up backing up for Aikman.
Peete played for 10 more years after Dallas and was the starter in Philly in 1995.

Who would sign Brad Johnson as their starter right now?

Brad Johnson THE NAME looks NOT BAD at the backup spot. But I'm afraid Brad Johnson the PLAYER is at the very end of his road.

Why not go get Chris Simms at this point? From the standpoint of talent I think he would already be the 2nd best QB on the roster. I'm not a big Beck fan, but if indeed he is the choice Hos says he is, then GO GET HIM.

We have certainly protected ourselves at the RB spot. Felix Jones is the real deal.

Its like we have reversed the formula of the 90's. We are ready if our RB goes down, but no way we win THE SUPER BOWL if our QB goes down.

 

[superpunk]

You have a different time table than I do if you think it will take Beck 4 years to be valuable to a franchise.

You should try watching some John Beck football, lol.

Our franchise, is what I'm concerned about. The only value he'd have is at injury sub. Which is the exact same value the QB we draft with the pick we would waste on grandpa Beck would have. So IMO it doesn't really make a difference one way or another.

 

[Hostile]

You should try watching some John Beck football, lol.

Our franchise, is what I'm concerned about. The only value he'd have is at injury sub. Which is the exact same value the QB we draft with the pick we would waste on grandpa Beck would have. So IMO it doesn't really make a difference one way or another.

I'd bet money I have seen more of him than you have.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Romo and Warner are remarkable stories. We need to get past the idea that their kind of success and development is the norm.

I don't think there is anything "normal" within the NFL Hos.

Early draft QB come and many are failures.

In the almost 40 year history of this team the best QB's have come from all over the map...

1st Round-Morton & Aikman
3rd Round-Meredith & White
10th Round-LeBaron & Roger
Totally undrafted-Romo

I'll maintain that if Beck was viewed as "developable" by the Cowboys then he'd be on the Cowboy's roster already.

 

[Hostile]

I don't think there is anything "normal" within the NFL Hos.

Early draft QB come and many are failures.

In the almost 40 year history of this team the best QB's have come from all over the map...

1st Round-Morton & Aikman
3rd Round-Meredith & White
10th Round-LeBaron & Roger
Totally undrafted-Romo

I'll maintain that if Beck was viewed as "developable" by the Cowboys then he'd be on the Cowboy's roster already.

It depends on Parcells asking price MW. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Nors]

No reason to add a 3rd QB to roster. Guys a JAG and can be added if Romo goes down. Move Bartel up a week and THEN bring a Bollinger type in.

Would force yet another 53 cut

 

[Stash]

I don't think there is anything "normal" within the NFL Hos.

Early draft QB come and many are failures.

In the almost 40 year history of this team the best QB's have come from all over the map...

1st Round-Morton & Aikman
3rd Round-Meredith & White
10th Round-LeBaron & Roger
Totally undrafted-Romo

I'll maintain that if Beck was viewed as "developable" by the Cowboys then he'd be on the Cowboy's roster already.

Much like the 'receiver trade' issue, we don't know what the market or asking price is for Beck, nor will we most likely.

With the trade of McCown, the Dolphins' asking price for Beck may have risen from a 5th rounder.

The Dolphins had a glut of QB's before they traded McCown, and considering what they paid him for not playing a down for them and then trading him away for a 7th rounder, Parcells and the Dolphins look foolish enough already.

Maybe they don't want to compound it by turning a 2nd round pick into a 5th rounder or less?

 

[rcaldw]

I don't think there is anything "normal" within the NFL Hos.

Early draft QB come and many are failures.

In the almost 40 year history of this team the best QB's have come from all over the map...

1st Round-Morton & Aikman
3rd Round-Meredith & White
10th Round-LeBaron & Roger
Totally undrafted-Romo

I'll maintain that if Beck was viewed as "developable" by the Cowboys then he'd be on the Cowboy's roster already.

This is a little bit misleading Michael. If not for his Navy commitment, no way Roger Staubach lasted until the 10th round. Eddie LeBaron played 7 years at Washington before he came to Dallas, and was brought to Dallas only to see the team through its early building years, not to win a championship. He was 4-21-1 as a Dallas QB.

So, if you look at it from the standpoint of QB's who did or did not pan out, I would say Morton, Aikman and Staubach were viewed as 1ST ROUND TALENTS, based on their college days, then Meredith and White 3rd round, and then Romo out of nowhere.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Beck was drafted in the second. If Miami doesn't actually like him, maybe they are waiting for someone to become less patient and give up a little extra. I wouldn't be happy about swapping my second around pick for 5th or worse 15ish months after I made the pick. I'm sure Beck has some talent, just probably not what Parcells was looking at. I think Parcells wanted to someone more ready. The Dolphins are already bottom barrel, I'm sure he doesn't want to stay there for the next three years while trying to develop a raw QB. The Cowboys had Bledsoe while Romo was still in development. You never know, they may have no intention on letting Beck go.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It depends on Parcells asking price MW. Don't kid yourself.

I think if Beck was "All that" then the Dolphins wouldn't have broken their necks to sign Mr. Gimpy arm.

Beck was a 2nd round pick, who's been "seasoned" for one year and he didn't even get a chance to sniff the starting spot for a team coming off a 1-15 record.

 

[Hostile]

My over all point is...Bollinger is a JAG and if we add him we're aren't moving forward. Not in 2008 or beyond. All we are accomplishing is that someone else who is viable to help in 2008 is going to get cut to make room.

Stand pat or improve. Don't go backwards.